Originally posted by DarthGenises
I think something along the lines of Mace was supposed to lose but Sameul L. Jackson refused. So I believe he had Ian McDiarmid overact to show he threw the fight. Of course I might be wrong.
I was in Barnes & Noble yesterday. I checked the book out to see if there was anything good in it. I went through half the book, including the ENTIRE Mace vs. Sidious scenarion. Nothing remotely along those lines. It says, and I'm quoting it:
"After being bested by Mace in combat, which was redone, Sidious took advantage of the situation, using Mace as his key to turn Anakin."
There are a few mistakes there, such as the fancy word-use, but that's nearly, word for word, what that book said.
Janus, not necessarily.
As we all know, some forms of lightsaber dueling work better than others in specific situations. The Star Wars site does indeed say that Mace defeated Sidious - fair and square. But this does not mean that Yoda was weaker than Mace.
Sidious doesn't suck with a saber - but he isn't the Count Dooku of dueling here, either. Sidious's main strength and source of power is his unrivaled mastery of the Force (excluding Yoda, here). He only used his Force powers at the very end. Mace deflected it with his saber - but far from easily.
Anakin made his choice and disarmed - literally, lol - Windu. So Sidious then uses Force lightning again - and defeats Windu. Lightsaber wise, I would now say Mace is superior to Sidious.
But. In Force powers, I doubt it. And also - the environment has a lot. Sidious is a sort of scrapper. He uses his flips and crazy swings. I'd say his form is similar to Ataru - though Nick Gillard says Sidious has an ambigious style of dueling.
Sidious and Yoda met eachother blow-for-blow in the Senate hall when they fought with sabers. It was the Force battle that turned the tide. Sidious had the advantage in the environment. He gained the higher ground. The site states that "The Emperor was too powerful for Yoda to defeat."
It didn't say "The Emperor was more powerful". But at the time - Yoda lost. Yoda couldn't defeat the Emperor or own him. It's similar to the Anakin and Obi-Wan duel - in my eyes. It could be said that Obi-Wan was too powerful to defeat. Not that he was stronger - but at the time - Anakin couldn't have won.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
As we all know, some forms of lightsaber dueling work better than others in specific situations. The Star Wars site does indeed say that Mace defeated Sidious - fair and square. But this does not mean that Yoda was weaker than Mace.
No it does mean that Yoda can take Sidious in a "fair" fight too. And there never was a fair fight between Yoda and Sidious.
Sidious and Yoda met eachother blow-for-blow in the Senate hall when they fought with sabers. It was the Force battle that turned the tide. Sidious had the advantage in the environment. He gained the higher ground. The site states that "The Emperor was too powerful for Yoda to defeat."
He was too powerfull in that special situation. In the movie you have Yoda disarmed and on the bottom of the Senate chamber while clone troops are coming. Sure Yoda can't defeate Sidious in that situation. In a fair fight he would screw Sidious.
And Sidious won only because of luck. Because being lucky enough to destroy Yodas lightsaber with force lightning and falling off the Senate "pod" on the right side (that side where you can grab on and stay on it).
It didn't say "The Emperor was more powerful". But at the time - Yoda lost. Yoda couldn't defeat the Emperor or own him. It's similar to the Anakin and Obi-Wan duel - in my eyes. It could be said that Obi-Wan was too powerful to defeat. Not that he was stronger - but at the time - Anakin couldn't have won.
That is right but since the fight here implies another situation than the fight between Yoda and Sidious shown in the movies - Yoda will win. Because there would be no clones coming and there is no chance for Sidious to take the "high ground" somewhere. This is a straight lightsaber duel and Yoda would kill him without a doubt.
Originally posted by ESB-1138
Dude. Dooku is better or equal in lightsaber combat to Yoda. And Yoda's form 4 focuses on attack and little on defense.
Just to tell you.
Yoda is > all when it comes to lightsaber combat. And his form focuses on attack, yes. But Yoda can avoid to get hit by 3 Jedi Masters trying to hit him with a lightsaber at once - while being unarmed. So...he can simply dodge lightsaber strikes without the need to deflect them and this is clearly the best defence one can have. 😉
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Just to tell you.Yoda is > all when it comes to lightsaber combat. And his form focuses on attack, yes. But Yoda can avoid to get hit by 3 Jedi Masters trying to hit him with a lightsaber at once - while being unarmed. So...he can simply dodge lightsaber strikes without the need to deflect them and this is clearly the best defence one can have. 😉