I am scared of dying

*["I've read the bible I go to church I enjoy religion in general."]

***How nice.

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*["what you seem to miss completely is that I have nothing against your faith it is in fact YOU that I hate."]

***That's too bad.

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*["people you are the reason I do not belive in god"]

***Nah...that's not the reason. The reason you don't believe in God is because "you are a FOOL" [Psalm 14:1].

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*["if there was a god it would have killed you by now."]

***N/A

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*["in response I can only say

Think about it...really think about it and don't let your pride do you in."]

***N/A

Marchello

*["...its just that Marchello does a very good job of making me angry..."]

***Take your meds and get a good night's sleep...you'll feel better in the morning.

Marchello

*["so Roman Catholics aren't christians?"]

***Correct.

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*["interesting how they're the longest surviving group of believers in christ in the world"]

***They are NOT believers...and survival rates are an indicator of NOTHING. Their survival rate was fed by the blood of the martyrs that they executed during the Inquisition and the Crusades. Isn't it ironic that the longest surviving religious system...which murdered and tortured untold millions of people during the middle ages...is now the leader in the ANTI-abortion movement? A paradox indeed!

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*["on that note have you ever met someone that you consider to be a christian?"]

***Yes, indeed...but you're not one of them.

Marchello

*["Marchello said they were not based on the Bible............. :"]

***That's right...that's what I said.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
*["...He does have some questions to answer though about attempting to justify the crusades."]

***Vegas:

There is NO JUSTIFICATION for the Crusades...and Biblical Christians were NOT responsible for them. The "christians" [i.e., Roman Catholic Church] who perpetrated these heinous crimes were responsible for them...and millions of people died by their sword. Too, they did it "in the name of God" [but NOT in the name of the God of the Scriptures...but in the name of the "whore of Babylon" (i.e., the Roman Catholic Church...Revelations 17)]. Their wanton killings and tortures included Jews, Muslims, Protestants and any other group of people [religious or not] who stood in the way of their pursuit of POWER over governments and peoples throughout the then known world.

But wait...that is not the end of their killings and tortures...there was the INQUISITION...and it was responsible for untold deaths of MILLIONS more. The MISTAKE that the western world makes is that they EQUATE Roman Catholicism with Christianity...and it is NOT. Romanism is PAGANISM under a veneer of christian trappings. NO true Christian would perpetrate these kinds of crimes against humanity...it is antithetical to our beliefs and the Scriptures as well. In point of fact...the whole of the ROMAN CATHOLIC Church is CORRUPT and ANTIBIBLICAL to the core. She is the FALSE RELIGIOUS SYSTEM which will prevail and be the TOOL of the ANTICHRIST in his pursuit of world domination.

BOTTOM-LINE: Roman Catholicism was responsible for the Crusades and the Inquisition that resulted in the deaths of over 75 MILLION people! Christians had NOTHING to do with it...and that's the name of that tune.

Marchello

That makes no sense...

Not only was the Roman Catholic church the group of Christians that decided what would be in the bible, that wrote it translated it, spread it and taught it to all people. They are also the longest surviving Christian sect out there. Even the Orthodox church hasn't been around that long, and the patriarch of Moscow can still call himself the defender of the second oldest Christian sect out there.

Everything you know about the bible, about Jesus comes from the Roman Catholic Church. And unless you would have a different bible then they do, which you might have but only because your sect of Christianity translated things differently from an already existing Roman Catholic Bible, you have no real right to claim them wrong. And if your bible is different then theirs then that would mean your sect of Christianity has translated the bible into a new and different book.

Which is just weird, because how in god's name can the writers of that bible know what happened 1600 to 2000 years ago? (depending on when you believe the Bible was created and when that particular sect stood up).

No, your sect although they might interpret the bible differently are still just an offspring of the Roman Catholic Church and the ancestors of the founders of your religion still answered to the Pope. The Roman Catholic Church still listens to the same bible, they listen to the same philosophy and teachings of Jesus, they act on them differently. But that just goes to show that Christianity can not be trusted and you can not honestly believe that there is a true path to heaven through just one of those sects. And calling all of the Roman Catholic Church heathens would be like calling every Christian in the world a heathen.

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Originally posted by Fishy
That makes no sense...

Not only was the Roman Catholic church the group of Christians that decided what would be in the bible, that wrote it translated it, spread it and taught it to all people. They are also the longest surviving Christian sect out there. Even the Orthodox church hasn't been around that long, and the patriarch of Moscow can still call himself the defender of the second oldest Christian sect out there.

Everything you know about the bible, about Jesus comes from the Roman Catholic Church. And unless you would have a different bible then they do, which you might have but only because your sect of Christianity translated things differently from an already existing Roman Catholic Bible, you have no real right to claim them wrong. And if your bible is different then theirs then that would mean your sect of Christianity has translated the bible into a new and different book.

Which is just weird, because how in god's name can the writers of that bible know what happened 1600 to 2000 years ago? (depending on when you believe the Bible was created and when that particular sect stood up).

No, your sect although they might interpret the bible differently are still just an offspring of the Roman Catholic Church and the ancestors of the founders of your religion still answered to the Pope. The Roman Catholic Church still listens to the same bible, they listen to the same philosophy and teachings of Jesus, they act on them differently. But that just goes to show that Christianity can not be trusted and you can not honestly believe that there is a true path to heaven through just one of those sects. And calling all of the Roman Catholic Church heathens would be like calling every Christian in the world a heathen.

***In the Roman Church of today we have a perfect example of the attitude which characterized the Pharisees and scribes...who SUBSTITUTED a body of HUMAN teachings and made them EQUAL TO or even SUPERIOR to the Word of God. In Jesus' day TRADITIONALISM had become so PERVERSE and POWERFUL that it finally CRUCIFIED Him. Religion was so BLINDED by its own DISTORTIONS of the Word of God...that it took the CROSS to EXPOSE it and UPSET it and to REVEAL the TRUTH once more. In a similar way the Church of Rome is following a set of TRADITIONS that she has accumulated through the centuries...which by her own pronouncements she has ELEVATED to EQUAL AUTHORITY WIYH, or even to SUPERIORITY OVER the WORD of God. Her purpose, of course, is to JUSTIFY doctrines and practices which have NO basis in Scripture, or which are in VIOLATION of SCRIPTURE COMMANDS.

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Originally posted by Marchello
***I am a Biblical Fundamentalist Christian and I go to a small Baptist Church. Too, I am active in Messianic Christianity.

Marchello

The name Fred Phelps comes to mind here...😏

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***In the Roman Church of today we have a perfect example of the attitude which characterized the Pharisees and scribes...who SUBSTITUTED a body of HUMAN teachings and made them EQUAL TO or even SUPERIOR to the Word of God. In Jesus' day TRADITIONALISM had become so PERVERSE and POWERFUL that it finally CRUCIFIED Him. Religion was so BLINDED by its own DISTORTIONS of the Word of God...that it took the CROSS to EXPOSE it and UPSET it and to REVEAL the TRUTH once more. In a similar way the Church of Rome is following a set of TRADITIONS that she has accumulated through the centuries...which by her own pronouncements she has ELEVATED to EQUAL AUTHORITY WIYH, or even to SUPERIORITY OVER the WORD of God. Her purpose, of course, is to JUSTIFY doctrines and practices which have NO basis in Scripture, or which are in VIOLATION of SCRIPTURE COMMANDS.

In order for Rome to defend her use of TRADITION...which admittedly came into use long AFTER the New Testament was COMPLETED...it was necessary for her to assert that the AUTHORITY of the CHURCH is SUPERIOR to that of the Scripture. Protestantism holds that the Scriptures are the INFALLIBLE RULE of faith and practice...and that the Church as an institution and ALL believers MUST be governed by that AUTHORITY. The Church of Rome holds that she is the SUPREME AUTHORITY in matters of faith and practice. She even attempts to say that the Roman Catholic Church PRODUCED the Bible...and that the pope as the VICAR of Christ on earth has the right to LEGISLATE for the Church. But such claims are absurd, because the New Testament was COMPLETED in the FIRST CENTURY...while the Roman Catholic Church did NOT come into being until FOUR CENTURIES later. Furthermore the SIN and CORRUPTION that have characterized the Roman Church [particularly during the Middle Ages when so many of her doctrines and practices ORIGINATED] is PROOF that she is in NO SENSE SUPERIOR to the Bible but quite the CONTRARY. But because of that teaching the average Roman Catholic may NOT be particularly impressed when it is pointed out that the doctrines are NOT in the Bible or even that they are CONTRARY to the Bible. He believes these things NOT because he has Scriptural AUTHORITY for them...but because the church teaches them. This again shows how PERNICIOUS can be the use of TRADITION.

The reason that the Roman Church have departed from the Scriptures is that they have accepted TRADITION and the DECISIONS of their councils as their GUIDE of faith...and COMPROMISED the TRUTH of the Scriptures in order to follow TRADITION...putting herself on PAR with SCRIPTURE and finding it IMPOSSIBLE to STOP there. The next step was to place herself ABOVE Scripture...and she has assumed that position ever since.

Marchello

Blah blah blah blah...yawn

Originally posted by Marchello
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***In the Roman Church of today we have a perfect example of the attitude which characterized the Pharisees and scribes...who SUBSTITUTED a body of HUMAN teachings and made them EQUAL TO or even SUPERIOR to the Word of God. In Jesus' day TRADITIONALISM had become so PERVERSE and POWERFUL that it finally CRUCIFIED Him. Religion was so BLINDED by its own DISTORTIONS of the Word of God...that it took the CROSS to EXPOSE it and UPSET it and to REVEAL the TRUTH once more. In a similar way the Church of Rome is following a set of TRADITIONS that she has accumulated through the centuries...which by her own pronouncements she has ELEVATED to EQUAL AUTHORITY WIYH, or even to SUPERIORITY OVER the WORD of God. Her purpose, of course, is to JUSTIFY doctrines and practices which have NO basis in Scripture, or which are in VIOLATION of SCRIPTURE COMMANDS.

In order for Rome to defend her use of TRADITION...which admittedly came into use long AFTER the New Testament was COMPLETED...it was necessary for her to assert that the AUTHORITY of the CHURCH is SUPERIOR to that of the Scripture. Protestantism holds that the Scriptures are the INFALLIBLE RULE of faith and practice...and that the Church as an institution and ALL believers MUST be governed by that AUTHORITY. The Church of Rome holds that she is the SUPREME AUTHORITY in matters of faith and practice. She even attempts to say that the Roman Catholic Church PRODUCED the Bible...and that the pope as the VICAR of Christ on earth has the right to LEGISLATE for the Church. But such claims are absurd, because the New Testament was COMPLETED in the FIRST CENTURY...while the Roman Catholic Church did NOT come into being until FOUR CENTURIES later. Furthermore the SIN and CORRUPTION that have characterized the Roman Church [particularly during the Middle Ages when so many of her doctrines and practices ORIGINATED] is PROOF that she is in NO SENSE SUPERIOR to the Bible but quite the CONTRARY. But because of that teaching the average Roman Catholic may NOT be particularly impressed when it is pointed out that the doctrines are NOT in the Bible or even that they are CONTRARY to the Bible. He believes these things NOT because he has Scriptural AUTHORITY for them...but because the church teaches them. This again shows how PERNICIOUS can be the use of TRADITION.

The reason that the Roman Church have departed from the Scriptures is that they have accepted TRADITION and the DECISIONS of their councils as their GUIDE of faith...and COMPROMISED the TRUTH of the Scriptures in order to follow TRADITION...putting herself on PAR with SCRIPTURE and finding it IMPOSSIBLE to STOP there. The next step was to place herself ABOVE Scripture...and she has assumed that position ever since.

Marchello

The Bible wasn't completed until the fourth century... Before that time there were a more then a hundred books, only four made it into the New Testament.

The Roman Church decided what four, so they did indeed write the bible, they created it. And that would make them the most knowledgeable on it. After all, everything you read in the bible was put there by them. So they might know a hell of a lot more about the religion then just what is in the bible. And you don't.

Not that it matters though, protestants fought in the Crusades as well. Seeing as back then the believe that the Roman Catholic Church was wrong didn't exist. It wasn't until after that the church split on completely different issues. Christians fought Muslims, Christians united by a single leader. If the protestants would have split during the crusaders you might have been able to call your sect innocent but they didn't, so your sect isn't innocent.

I'm not scared of death, as long as I live a good life, and people remember me, dying is just another thing for them to remember.

I guess my comment stumped him since there was no response. Go me!

what was that😖?

Originally posted by Marxman
There was no such thing as the Catholic Church during the Spanish Inquisition. There was one church. It was before Martin Luther picked which teachings of Jesus Christ he wanted to follow and which ones he didn't.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I dont get angry

I get irritated and fed up with close minded machines

I like that you put peace in quotes because "peace" is the closest you can get to peace if you let your life be run by a single book

you believe you have found truth and I do not begrudge you that but the fact that you think that your version of the truth mus tbe the only one disgusts me

You are a hypocrite.

You're arguing with him because you think his "truth" is WRONG. yet you are complaining disgust because only he thinks hes right when you are indirectly doing the same.

Originally posted by Fishy
The Bible wasn't completed until the fourth century... Before that time there were a more then a hundred books, only four made it into the New Testament.

The Roman Church decided what four, so they did indeed write the bible, they created it. And that would make them the most knowledgeable on it. After all, everything you read in the bible was put there by them. So they might know a hell of a lot more about the religion then just what is in the bible. And you don't.

Not that it matters though, protestants fought in the Crusades as well. Seeing as back then the believe that the Roman Catholic Church was wrong didn't exist. It wasn't until after that the church split on completely different issues. Christians fought Muslims, Christians united by a single leader. If the protestants would have split during the crusaders you might have been able to call your sect innocent but they didn't, so your sect isn't innocent.

Nice! 💃

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
You are a hypocrite.

You're arguing with him because you think his "truth" is WRONG. yet you are complaining disgust because only he thinks hes right when you are indirectly doing the same.

well yes you're right

but my version of the truth is so much nicer and less hateful

in my truth I can accept Marchello's beliefs as part of the world

in his truth my beleifs are the ultimate evil

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Originally posted by Fishy
The Bible wasn't completed until the fourth century... Before that time there were a more then a hundred books, only four made it into the New Testament.

The Roman Church decided what four, so they did indeed write the bible, they created it. And that would make them the most knowledgeable on it. After all, everything you read in the bible was put there by them. So they might know a hell of a lot more about the religion then just what is in the bible. And you don't.

Not that it matters though, protestants fought in the Crusades as well. Seeing as back then the believe that the Roman Catholic Church was wrong didn't exist. It wasn't until after that the church split on completely different issues. Christians fought Muslims, Christians united by a single leader. If the protestants would have split during the crusaders you might have been able to call your sect innocent but they didn't, so your sect isn't innocent.

***And, of course, you do err...NOT knowing the Scriptures NOR believing them that you might be SAVED. As a papist, you contend that the whole world is INDEBTED to the Roman Catholic church for the EXISTENCE of the Bible. This is just another of your church's attempts to EXALT the church as an authority IN ADDITION to the Bible.

Please let me give you a few quotes from some of your Catholic sources...to wit:
(1) "If she had not scrutinized carefully the writings of her children, rejecting some and approving others as worthy of inclusion in the canon of the New Testament, there would be no New Testament today.
(2) "If she had not declared the books composing the New Testament to be inspired word of God, we would not know it.
(3) "The only authority which non-Catholics have for the inspiration of the Scriptures is the authority of the Catholic Church." (The Faith of Millions, p. 145)
(4) "It is only by the divine authority of the Catholic Church that Christians know that the scripture is the word of God, and what books certainly belong to the Bible." (The Question Box, p. 46)
(5) "It was the Catholic Church and no other which selected and listed the inspired books of both the Old Testament and the New Testament...If you can accept the Bible or any part of it as inspired Word of God, you can do so only because the Catholic Church says it is." (The Bible is a Catholic Book, p. 4).

Your Catholic writers quoted above state that one can accept the Bible as being INSPIRED and as having AUTHORITY ONLY on the basis of the Catholic Church. In reality, the Bible is INSPIRED and has AUTHORITY, NOT because a CHURCH declared it so, BUT because GOD MADE IT SO. God delivered it by the INSPIRATION of the Holy Spirit and declared that it would abide FOREVER. "ALL scripture is inspired OF God..." [2 Tim. 3:16]. "...Holy men of God spoke as they were moved BY the Holy
Spirit" [2 Pet. 1:21]. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but MY words will NOT pass away" [Matt. 24:35].

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Originally posted by Marchello
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***And, of course, you do err...NOT knowing the Scriptures NOR believing them that you might be SAVED. As a papist, you contend that the whole world is INDEBTED to the Roman Catholic church for the EXISTENCE of the Bible. This is just another of your church's attempts to EXALT the church as an authority IN ADDITION to the Bible.

Please let me give you a few quotes from some of your Catholic sources...to wit:
(1) "If she had not scrutinized carefully the writings of her children, rejecting some and approving others as worthy of inclusion in the canon of the New Testament, there would be no New Testament today.
(2) "If she had not declared the books composing the New Testament to be inspired word of God, we would not know it.
(3) "The only authority which non-Catholics have for the inspiration of the Scriptures is the authority of the Catholic Church." (The Faith of Millions, p. 145)
(4) "It is only by the divine authority of the Catholic Church that Christians know that the scripture is the word of God, and what books certainly belong to the Bible." (The Question Box, p. 46)
(5) "It was the Catholic Church and no other which selected and listed the inspired books of both the Old Testament and the New Testament...If you can accept the Bible or any part of it as inspired Word of God, you can do so only because the Catholic Church says it is." (The Bible is a Catholic Book, p. 4).

Your Catholic writers quoted above state that one can accept the Bible as being INSPIRED and as having AUTHORITY ONLY on the basis of the Catholic Church. In reality, the Bible is INSPIRED and has AUTHORITY, NOT because a CHURCH declared it so, BUT because GOD MADE IT SO. God delivered it by the INSPIRATION of the Holy Spirit and declared that it would abide FOREVER. "ALL scripture is inspired OF God..." [2 Tim. 3:16]. "...Holy men of God spoke as they were moved BY the Holy
Spirit" [2 Pet. 1:21]. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but MY words will NOT pass away" [Matt. 24:35].

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"The grass withered, and the flower has fallen--but the word of the Lord endures forever." [1 Pet. 1:24-25]. You are in ERROR in your assumption that the Bible is authoritative only because of the Catholic Church. The Bible does NOT owe its EXISTENCE to the Catholic Church, BUT to the AUTHORITY...POWER and PROVIDENCE of God. It would seem unnecessary for your church to make the boastful claim of giving the Bible to the world when it and so-called Protestantism accept the Bible as a revelation from God. However, it is an ATTEMPT to WEAKEN the Bible as the SOLE AUTHORITY and to REPLACE it with your MAN-MADE church. If it is true that we can accept the Bible ONLY on the basis of the Catholic Church...that would make the Catholic Church SUPERIOR to the Bible? This is EXACTLY what your church officials want men to believe. Their only PROBLEM is that their doctrine comes from their own HUMAN REASONING rather than from God. Their logic is a classic example of their "circular reasoning." They try to PROVE the Bible BY the church (can accept the Bible only on the basis of the Catholic Church) and PROVE the church BY the Bible ("has ever grounded her doctrines upon it"😉. Such is the ABSURD reasoning which proves NOTHING. EITHER the New Testament is the SOLE AUTHORITY or it is NOT. If it IS the New Testament...then it CANNOT be the CHURCH...and if it is the CHURCH...it cannot be the New Testament.

Your church boasts that the Bible was written by Catholics, e.g., "All the books of the New Testament were written by Catholics." (The Bible is a Catholic Book, p. 14). However, when we consider the word "catholic" as meaning "universal"...it means that the writers were members of the
church Christ...which is described in the Scriptures [Col. 1:18; Rom. 16:16]. However, we firmly deny that the writers of the New Testament were MEMBERS of the Roman Catholic Church. In point of fact, Roman Catholicism was NOT fully developed until several HUNDRED years AFTER the New Testament was written. It is NOT...nor EVER HAS BEEN the SAME institution as disclosed in the New Testament. The New Testament books were written by members of the Lord's Church...but they are NOT its AUTHOR!...ONLY God HIMSELF is the AUTHOR of the New Testament.

Catholic officials claim that WITHOUT the Catholic Church there would be NO Bible...they argue that mankind can accept the Scriptures ONLY on the basis of the Catholic Church which gathered the books and determined which were inspired. Surely the Catholic Church cannot claim that it gave us the Old Testament Scriptures...for the Old Testament came THROUGH the Jews [God's CHOSEN people of OLD] who had the holy oracles ENTRUSTED to them. HEAR the apostle Paul: "What ADVANTAGE then remains to the Jew, or what is the use of circumcision? Much in every respect. First, indeed, because the oracles of God were ENTRUSTED to THEM" [Rom. 3:1-2; see also Rom. 9:4-5; Acts 7:38]. The Old Testament books were gathered into one volume and were translated from Hebrew into Greek LONG BEFORE Christ came to earth. The Septuagint Version was translated by seventy scholars at Alexandria, Egypt around the year 227 B.C...and this was the version Christ and His apostles USED. Christ did NOT tell the people, as Catholics DO today...that they could accept the Scriptures ONLY on the basis of the AUTHORITY of those who gathered them and declared them
to be inspired. He urged the people of His day to follow the Old Testament Scriptures as the infallible guide, NOT because man...or any group of men has sanctioned them as such...but BECAUSE they came FROM God.

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dude try to keep your posts shorter than this. 1) this really isn't that serious to cite and throughly explain things. 2) I can't debate with you if I don't read what you write and I sure as hell am not reading 2 posts with more than 10 lines each