Flash vs. Xavier: 3-2-1 GO!

Interesting responses. But if Flash is SOOO fast and has such great reaction time, why did he get tagged by Deathstroke? And guys throwing boomerangs and with freeze guns?

I don't believe that Flash has lightspeed reaction times. He gets ambushed and hit too often. I believe that once he gets going everything speeds up too, but he gets hit too often by non-speedsters for me to buy that he'd react to the green light and be atop Xavier before Xavier has a chance to register that the light is green.

I say Xavier wins. For Flash, thought and action may be closer together than the average person, but for Xavier, thought and action are one.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No technically he isn't, but if he moved he could attack him, but he and xavier are aware of each others prescence.
Flash can move faster than you can react, but he can't THINK faster.

Kid flash, on the other hand, can read and everything superspeed.

Originally posted by Pointinel
but xavier is really at an advantage here. because before the light turns green, he can search the area for anybody waiting for the light to turn green and preparing for a fight. therefore he will react faster than the flash cuz hes more prepared.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Probably the feedback of connecting with a mind which brain process informations and react at speeds far above those of Xavier will knock him unconscious.
Flash can perform feats like find a secret code needed to access to a martian computer in seconds through trying thousands codes at superspeed.
The guy is outta Xavier's league

Yea, he can't remember thigs at a certain speed, but he can act and react at superspeed.

I still feel wally wins anyway.

Originally posted by demigawd
Interesting responses. But if Flash is SOOO fast and has such great reaction time, why did he get tagged by Deathstroke?

The same reason Wolverine has tagged the likes of Thanos and Magento.

Crap writing and PIS.

Originally posted by demigawd
And guys throwing boomerangs and with freeze guns?

Again PIS. Higher Flash showings show that Flash villains shouldn't last more than a picosecond. But they do. Writers have recently tried to curve this by introducing Zoom and an amped version of Weather Wizard.

Originally posted by demigawd
I don't believe that Flash has lightspeed reaction times. He gets ambushed and hit too often. I believe that once he gets going everything speeds up too, but he gets hit too often by non-speedsters for me to buy that he'd react to the green light and be atop Xavier before Xavier has a chance to register that the light is green.

Silver Surfer and Thanos also get hit by non-speedsters. Yet we acknowledge their speed.

Originally posted by demigawd
I say Xavier wins. For Flash, thought and action may be closer together than the average person, but for Xavier, thought and action are one.

Come on, demigawd. You're a smart guy. You HONESTLY believe that a guy who can run at near-lightspeeds doesn't have near-lightspeed reactions and thoughts. If he didn't he would have been splattered against a brick wall by now. Common sense.

Xavier's thought and action may be one and Wally's may be seperate but the sad truth is: IT DOESN'T MATTER. Wally's reactions and thoughts all take less than picosecond.

For god's sake Wally once had to dodge anti-matter light rays in a compressed room AND figure a way out using a handheld computer.

Please. 🙂

Originally posted by demigawd
Interesting responses. But if Flash is SOOO fast and has such great reaction time, why did he get tagged by Deathstroke? And guys throwing boomerangs and with freeze guns?

I don't believe that Flash has lightspeed reaction times. He gets ambushed and hit too often. I believe that once he gets going everything speeds up too, but he gets hit too often by non-speedsters for me to buy that he'd react to the green light and be atop Xavier before Xavier has a chance to register that the light is green.

I say Xavier wins. For Flash, thought and action may be closer together than the average person, but for Xavier, thought and action are one.

now, thats not fair, you know they do that to keep the books interesting.

Thats like saying "why don't flash books last three panels'

Top it off with guys like batman dodging everything, because he CANT survive it, is the same reason why flash gets hit so much, its because he CAN.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yea, he can't remember thigs at a certain speed, but he can act and react at superspeed.

I still feel wally wins anyway.

Actually he can't remember things he has studied or learned at lightspeed. He retains the knowledge for about a few mins. but it fades away.

His protege has this ability however.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
now, thats not fair, you know they do that to keep the books interesting.

Thats like saying "why don't flash books last three panels'

Top it off with guys like batman dodging everything, because he CANT survive it, is the same reason why flash gets hit so much, its because he CAN.

Or why doesn't Magneto actually use his powers more effectively than controling metal?

Simple. PIS. It keeps things interesting....and completely illogical.

Originally posted by Draco69
Actually he can't remember things he has studied or learned at lightspeed. He retains the knowledge for about a few mins. but it fades away.

His protege has this ability however.

"Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman."

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yes, thats what I'm saying, kid flash can do that, like when he read the entire library, he can do what the other flashes cannot.

Yes he remembers EVERYTHING he reads. Wally doesn't have that ability.

Bart may very well become the next Reed Richards.

Reed Richards but faster... Though less stretchy.

And as to the pushing down stairs: Yes. Go Wally.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Reed Richards but faster... Though less stretchy.

And as to the pushing down stairs: Yes. Go Wally.

Reed flash, is a scary thought, he'd be better than robin then in that sense.

God thats disturbing.

I like when he picked apart Deathstroke/Jericho's gun, while he was going to shoot robin with it.

That's the thing - if there are just as many instances (actually more) of Flash getting hit by non-speedsters than him evading everything, then I'm more inclined to believe that this "super reaction time" is PIS than anything. I'm not disputing his speed, but I think his reaction time is off.

As for why he doesn't bump into things - doesn't the speedforce prevent that from happening? If you're moving at light, you become energy and you pass through other objects.

I remember a post where he lent his speed to the JLA. It was less that they felt they were doing everything super fast and more that everything else was moving so slow. But in order to be that fast, Flash has to accelerate into the speed force.

He can't do that in the time it takes for Xavier to make a single thought.

So no, I don't believe that Flash could react and take out Xavier before Xavier can react and take out Flash. I think they both initially think at the same speed. Is there proof to the contrary? Evidence where Flash hasn't just RUN at superspeed, but reacted at superspeed? Like, he gets hit with a bullet, but senses it trying to enter his flesh and he moves away from it before it actually enters. Or cases where Flash actually takes action before anyone else can think?

Originally posted by demigawd
That's the thing - if there are just as many instances (actually more) of Flash getting hit by non-speedsters than him evading everything, then I'm more inclined to believe that this "super reaction time" is PIS than anything. I'm not disputing his speed, but I think his reaction time is off.

As for why he doesn't bump into things - doesn't the speedforce prevent that from happening? If you're moving at light, you become energy and you pass through other objects.

I remember a post where he lent his speed to the JLA. It was less that they felt they were doing everything super fast and more that everything else was moving so slow. But in order to be that fast, Flash has to accelerate into the speed force.

He can't do that in the time it takes for Xavier to make a single thought.

So no, I don't believe that Flash could react and take out Xavier before Xavier can react and take out Flash. I think they both initially think at the same speed. Is there proof to the contrary? Evidence where Flash hasn't just RUN at superspeed, but reacted at superspeed? Like, he gets hit with a bullet, but senses it trying to enter his flesh and he moves away from it before it actually enters. Or cases where Flash actually takes action before anyone else can think?

this is going to be a nice infinite loop argument,lol.

Originally posted by demigawd
That's the thing - if there are just as many instances (actually more) of Flash getting hit by non-speedsters than him evading everything, then I'm more inclined to believe that this "super reaction time" is PIS than anything. I'm not disputing his speed, but I think his reaction time is off.

As for why he doesn't bump into things - doesn't the speedforce prevent that from happening? If you're moving at light, you become energy and you pass through other objects.

I remember a post where he lent his speed to the JLA. It was less that they felt they were doing everything super fast and more that everything else was moving so slow. But in order to be that fast, Flash has to accelerate into the speed force.

He can't do that in the time it takes for Xavier to make a single thought.

So no, I don't believe that Flash could react and take out Xavier before Xavier can react and take out Flash. I think they both initially think at the same speed. Is there proof to the contrary? Evidence where Flash hasn't just RUN at superspeed, but reacted at superspeed? Like, he gets hit with a bullet, but senses it trying to enter his flesh and he moves away from it before it actually enters. Or cases where Flash actually takes action before anyone else can think?

Originally posted by K3VIL
It's called PIS or plot needed situations.
Imagine every Flash apperance lasting 3panels, turn on the brain guy.
Flash is always connected to the speed force, he can just enter into it if he wants, reaching lightspeed, or tap into his energy to perform various feats.
You want examples of Flash reacting fast?
He evacuated a city saving it from a nuclear strike after the detonation before the radiations or the shockwave could even kill someone.

Didn't he do that in less than one second?
Yea, flash is cheesy to use in debates, but he is powerful nonetheless.

Originally posted by demigawd
That's the thing - if there are just as many instances (actually more) of Flash getting hit by non-speedsters than him evading everything, then I'm more inclined to believe that this "super reaction time" is PIS than anything. I'm not disputing his speed, but I think his reaction time is off.

To have Flash evade everything in comics would be highly boring to read. Hed also be the no.1 hero of all time.

Originally posted by demigawd
As for why he doesn't bump into things - doesn't the speedforce prevent that from happening? If you're moving at light, you become energy and you pass through other objects.

Flash is able to pass through everything without even running. He doesnt bump into things because hes used to his powers. He can tap the speed force at will but its not what stops him from running into things.

Originally posted by demigawd
I remember a post where he lent his speed to the JLA. It was less that they felt they were doing everything super fast and more that everything else was moving so slow. But in order to be that fast, Flash has to accelerate into the speed force.

I dont get what youre saying here. In order to be how fast must accelerate into the speedforce?

Originally posted by demigawd
So no, I don't believe that Flash could react and take out Xavier before Xavier can react and take out Flash. I think they both initially think at the same speed. Is there proof to the contrary? Evidence where Flash hasn't just RUN at superspeed, but reacted at superspeed? Like, he gets hit with a bullet, but senses it trying to enter his flesh and he moves away from it before it actually enters. Or cases where Flash actually takes action before anyone else can think?

There was a time where a nuclear explosion went off on a island. The explosion already happened, and Flash evacuated the whole island before anyone even realized a blast had went off.

Also in another instance, Flash save all the main heroes from bombs all set to go off a the same time. Timers were already on 0:00, manged to hack a computer to operate scroll at near lightspeeds to find the source of transmission.

Hes faster than thought by far.

Originally posted by K3VIL
It's called PIS or plot needed situations.

Plot Induced Stupidity, yes.

Imagine every Flash apperance lasting 3panels, turn on the brain guy.
Flash is always connected to the speed force, he can just enter into it if he wants, reaching lightspeed, or tap into his energy to perform various feats.

As I understand it, he has to RUN into the speedforce. He doesn't automatically go at lightspeed. It actually takes him a few seconds to get there. By then, he'll be a vegetable.

You want examples of Flash reacting fast?
He evacuated a city saving it from a nuclear strike after the detonation before the radiations or the shockwave could even kill someone.

Yes, I know. I used that example with arguing that Flash against Runner. But it doesn't work in your case. That's a case of Flash knowing that was going to happen and moving at FTL speeds to clear everybody. It doesn't show initial brain registration time. What's an example of initial brain registration time? Because Flashes only hope against Xavier is to prove that he can register a thought faster than anybody else. We all know and accept how fast he can move once he DECIDES to move. But can he DECIDE to move faster than anybody else? I want proof of that.

Does what I'm asking make sense?

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont get what youre saying here. In order to be how fast must accelerate into the speedforce?

There was a debate awhile ago where it was revealed that Flash has to accelerate at a certain speed in order to access the speedforce. He can't just *poof* and do it. I think it was kgkg who mentioned this. True or no?

There was a time where a nuclear explosion went off on a island. The explosion already happened, and Flash evacuated the whole island before anyone even realized a blast had went off.

Also in another instance, Flash save all the main heroes from bombs all set to go off a the same time. Timers were already on 0:00, manged to hack a computer to operate scroll at near lightspeeds to find the source of transmission.

Again, these are examples of him taking action at superspeeds. But what examples exist of him deciding to do something before anybody else? In the former example, Flash knew about the bomb, and at the time it started going off he took action. It's not really the same thing.

Wally has read at Flash-speed too. They all think hella-fast. Xavier's dead before his mind processes that the light is green.