Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Eminem sucks.
I have yet to hear anybody else spit something that compares to this. ^
"Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute
Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it
But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it
Now who's these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it
Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit
Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America
as a mother****in drug addict - like you didn't experiment?
Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror
and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased
And I got nothin to do but make you look stupid as parents
You ****in do-gooders - too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!
(Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't
think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo
Cause here we go - he's {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}
And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just a Renegade"
"See I'm a poet to some, a regular modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ the King of these Latter Day Saints here
To shatter the picture in which of that as they paint me
as a monger of hate and Satan a scatter-brained atheist
But that ain't the case, see it's a matter of taste
We as a people decide if Shady's as bad as they say he is
Or is he the latter - a gateway to escape?
Media scapegoat, who they can be mad at today
See it's easy as cake, simple as whistlin Dixie
while I'm wavin the pistol at sixty Christians against me
Go to war with the Mormons, take a bath with the Catholics
in holy water - no wonder they try to hold me under longer
I'm a mother****in spiteful, DELIGHTFUL eyeful
The new Ice Cube - mother****ers HATE to like you
What did I do? (huh?) I'm just a kid from the gutter
makin this butter off these bloodsuckers, cause I'm a muh'****in
Renegade"
And those verses are amazing too ^. You can't tell me this guy sucks.
Listen to more of Eminem's early stuff, it's amazing, every hip hop fan knows how talented Eminem is.
But I'm done arguing about this. I'm not into arguing over the internet, so let's just agree to disagree 😉
Peace
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Well, I'm not trying to be rude, but I'd like to see you come up with something better if you know what clever lyrics are.
I assume, of course, that you expect me to write better poetry than Eminem. LOL!
You do realize that no matter what I write, you will say it's worse than the expletive filled, asymmetric, pretentious tripe that Eminem "writes', right? What moron would even humor such a "challenge?"
But, yes, in my opinion, I can write better lyrics than Marshall can in 10 minutes. It's just that most children would rather "sing along" to foul-mouthed, self-abosrbed, simple minded, wanna-be-gangsters than they would graceful poetry that has multiple layers and intelligent metaphors.
But if this superficial pop-culture is enjoyable, I can only criticize your tastes and not you yourself. There are far more things about you that define you than your enamor of Marshall's lyricisms.
You'll bump Eminem in your car, I'll bump Sergei Rachmaninoff.
You laud Marshall as a great poetic lyricist, and I Ralph Emerson.
Here's a bit of lyrics that are far superior to anything Eminem will ever aspire to:
Though thou loved her as thyself,
As a self of purer clay,
Tho' her parting dims the day,
Stealing grace from all alive,
Heartily know,
When half-gods go,
The gods arrive.
You can read that poetry about 4 times and understand about 4 different things about it. It's not complex, but it isn't simple. It certainly is selfish, but unselfish at the same time. Most importantly, he praises another, instead of himself. Much more enjoyable than the lyrics you tout as "clever", wouldn't you say?
But convincing a young man that Victorian poetry is superior to lyrics from hip hop artists
is like the futile endeavor of spreading the cheeks and catching a glimpse of the butthole of the Queen of England.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
He's definitely got better stuff than that. Listen to his verses on Renegade (which he destroyed Jay-Z on his own song) and the song Infinite, or Bad Influence, or Just The 2 of Us, or Criminal, or Kill You, or Stan, etc.
I absolutely cannot stand the hip-hop scene. Marshall Bruce Mathers III is certainly the rule, not the exception.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Some of my favorite quotes of his is
"Cause you can be quick, jump the candlestick,
Burn your back, and **** Jill on a hill
But you still aint Jack""You wacker than the mother****er you bit your style from
You ain't gonna sell two copies if you press a double album""Now if i only had some ****ing hair I'd pull it, faster than a bullet
out of Tupac's chest before the ambulance came too late to do it"It's pretty noobish to say Eminem isn't clever.
I can do that too.
Watch:
It's pretty foolish to say Eminenm is clever. He doesn't even have symmetric couplets at times.
Here I am . . . R-A-W
terrorist, here to bring trouble to
phoney emcees, I move on and sieze
I just conquer, and stomp another rapper with ease
Cause I'm at my apex and others are be-low
nothing but a milliliter, I'm a kilo
Second to none, making emcees run
Also don't try to step to me, cause I ain't the one
I relieve rappers just like Tylenol
and they know it, so I don't see why you all
try to front, perpetrating a stunt
when you know that I'll smoke you up like a blunt
I'm genuine like Gucci, raw like sushi
The Sage of Rage is what rap did to me
To make me want to create chaos and mayhem
cold rock a party, until the A.M.
I'll make a muscle, grab the mike and hustle
while you stand dazed and amazed, I'll bust a little rhyme
with authority, superiority
and captivate the whole crowd's majority
The rhymes I use definately amuse
better than Dynasty or Hill Street Blues
I'm sure to score, endure for more without a flaw
Cause I get RAW!
Verse Two:
I give a speech like a reverend, rappers start severin
and in my lifetime, believe I've never been beaten
or eaten, or just tookin out
you know, come to think about, I keep emcees lookin out
And real nervous, when I'm at your service
Also give me that title boy, you don't deserve this
I work like a slave to become a master
And when I say a rhyme, you know that it has ta
be perfectly fitted, cause I'm committed
the entertainer and trainer and Kane'll get with it
I go and flow and grow to let you know, I'll damage ya
I'm not an amateur but a professional unquestionable, without a doubt superb
Also full of action, my name should be a verb
My voice will float, on every note
when I clear my throat, that's all she wrote
The minute that the Kane starts to go on
believe it's gonna be smooth sailing so sail on
As I put other rappers out of their misery
Get em in a battle and make them all history
Rulin and schoolin, emcees that I'm duelin
watch em all take a fall, as I sit back coolin
on a throne, with a bronze microphone
Uhm, God bless the child that can hold his own
Cause I get raw!
Verse Three:
chillin, killin like a villain
the meaning of RAW is Ready And Willing
to do whatever is clever, take a loss never
And the rhymes I bust, comin off is a must
And I come off hard with rhymes that are odd
I rip the microphone and leave it scarred
Never smokin or hittin or takin a sniff
Only crushin emcees that be tryin to riff
I get strong and titanic, do work like a mechanic
make emcees panic, they all get frantic
And skeptic, like a girl on a contraceptive
As I rocked, but hey, what you expected?
I'll get raw for ya, just like a warrior
rather like a samurai, and I;ll be damn if I
ever let a Fisher-Price emcee hang
their rhymes are toy, nothing but ying yang
So if we battle on the microphone
bring your own casket and tombstone
And I'ma preach your funeral, tell me who in the world
could ever come with more, I get RAW!
Originally posted by dadudemon
I assume, of course, that you expect me to write better poetry than Eminem. LOL!You do realize that no matter what I write, you will say it's worse than the expletive filled, asymmetric, pretentious tripe that Eminem "writes', right? What moron would even humor such a "challenge?"
But, yes, in my opinion, I can write better lyrics than Marshall can in 10 minutes. It's just that most children would rather "sing along" to foul-mouthed, self-abosrbed, simple minded, wanna-be-gangsters than they would graceful poetry that has multiple layers and intelligent metaphors.
But if this superficial pop-culture is enjoyable, I can only criticize your tastes and not you yourself. There are far more things about you that define you than your enamor of Marshall's lyricisms.
You'll bump Eminem in your car, I'll bump Sergei Rachmaninoff.
You laud Marshall as a great poetic lyricist, and I Ralph Emerson.
Here's a bit of lyrics that are far superior to anything Eminem will ever aspire to:
Though thou loved her as thyself,
As a self of purer clay,
Tho' her parting dims the day,
Stealing grace from all alive,
Heartily know,
When half-gods go,
The gods arrive.You can read that poetry about 4 times and understand about 4 different things about it. It's not complex, but it isn't simple. It certainly is selfish, but unselfish at the same time. Most importantly, he praises another, instead of himself. Much more enjoyable than the lyrics you tout as "clever", wouldn't you say?
But convincing a young man that Victorian poetry is superior to lyrics from hip hop artists
is like the futile endeavor of spreading the cheeks and catching a glimpse of the butthole of the Queen of England.I absolutely cannot stand the hip-hop scene. Marshall Bruce Mathers III is certainly the rule, not the exception.
I can do that too.
Watch:
It's pretty foolish to say Eminenm is clever. He doesn't even have symmetric couplets at times.
Dude, chill out. I'm not gonna spend all my time arguing over something. I already said I was done arguing about it, why did you bring it back up?
Eminem is famous for his ability to say things that normal people would never think of. He can make words rhyme that don't rhyme, he can rap fast, slow, on beat, off beat, and it's always excelent.
You obviously know NOTHING about hip hop if you think you can write better than Eminem. If it's so easy, why aren't you the highest and fastest selling MC of all time? Eminem puts a lot of effort into his lyrics, listen to some of them. I never said they were amazing because he cusses a lot and raps to a beat that people like to sing a long to (that's why people listen to Lil Wayne, Eminem is actually talented), and just because he does cuss a lot doesn't mean his lyrics aren't good, listen to the song Infinite if you want to see just how talented he is. There's no way you can listen to that song and still think "Yeah, I can write better than this guy". Infinite is that song I posted above in that Youtube video.
What doesn't make sense to me, is that you criticize Eminem for saying crude things, then you make a comment about spreading the Queen of England's buttcheeks. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me. But what am I thinking, it's okay if you talk like that, right? Eminem should be punished for it though.
Every true hip hop fan knows Eminem is incredible. MTV named him as #9 on the Greatest MC's of All Time, and he is also somewhere on the list of the Greatest Artists of All Time in Rollingstone or something.
And no, I would easily admit if you could write better lyrics than Eminem. I just am about 99.9% sure that you couldn't.
It's not just Eminem's clever lyrics that make him a great MC. It's his ability to actually rap them the way he does, his flow is probably the best in hip hop. Saying Eminem is not clever and has no talent is just stupid, because no other MC has done what he has done.
Please dude, be a little more mature and just leave this topic alone. I have better things to do than to argue about this with you.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Dude, chill out. I'm not gonna spend all my time arguing over something. I already said I was done arguing about it, why did you bring it back up?
Excuse me (mostly because I farted), you're the one getting worked up. I've kept a calm level head.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Eminem is famous for his ability to say things that normal people would never think of. He can make words rhyme that don't rhyme, he can rap fast, slow, on beat, off beat, and it's always excelent.
Rhyming words that don't rhyme is not rhyming: it's mispronouncing words. 😐
Originally posted by Insomniatric
You obviously know NOTHING about hip hop if you think you can write better than Eminem. If it's so easy, why aren't you the highest and fastest selling MC of all time?
Oh boy, that's easy: because I can't "MC" very well. 🙂 Unlike other critics of the MC scene, I recognize that it takes talent and hard work to keep an MC rhythm and also rhyme. I can certainly disagree that "his rhymes are weak" though, and no matter what anyone says, I am right because it is my opinion and it can only be opinion that determines that.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Eminem puts a lot of effort into his lyrics, listen to some of them.
He has to put a lot of effort into them because he's weaksauce. 😆 JK, JK. (But I do know people that can bust out better lyrics in 10 minutes than 99% of all pop-culture song writers, in 10 minutes.) Also, I have listened to them: why do you think I don't like him as an artist?
Originally posted by Insomniatric
I never said they were amazing because he cusses a lot and raps to a beat that people like to sing a long to (that's why people listen to Lil Wayne, Eminem is actually talented),...
And never once did I say that that was your qualifications for liking him. It was specifically my reasons for disliking him. I understand if that went over your head: that's just my version of what I like to call "witty banter." It was more for hyperbole and mild humor than it was anything else.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
...and just because he does cuss a lot doesn't mean his lyrics aren't good, listen to the song Infinite if you want to see just how talented he is. There's no way you can listen to that song and still think "Yeah, I can write better than this guy". Infinite is that song I posted above in that Youtube video.
I agree that using expletives does not necessarily make a poem bad, automatically: but it certainly does not help and should rarely be used. 🙂
Originally posted by Insomniatric
What doesn't make sense to me, is that you criticize Eminem for saying crude things, then you make a comment about spreading the Queen of England's buttcheeks. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me. But what am I thinking, it's okay if you talk like that, right? Eminem should be punished for it though.
I never criticized him for saying crude things: not even once.
And, how am I punishing Marshall by not listening to "his" music or purchasing it? You really think me not liking hip hop, in general, is going to punish Marshall? 😬
And, yes, it's okay if I "talk" like that, just the same as it is okay for Eminem to make music like that. Did I ever once say it was not kosher? I do believe the discussion is about opinions and what we do and do not like in musical style.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Every true hip hop fan knows Eminem is incredible.
Obviously, this is false.
Logic:
If one is a true hip hop fan, then they always believe Eminem is incredible.
No, that is obviously not true.
While that statement is obviously false, is the contrapositve true?
If one is not a hip hop fan, then they never believe Eminem is incredible.
No, that's not true either. Someone could not be a fan of Hip Hop but love Eminem's particular flavor of it.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
MTV named him as #9 on the Greatest MC's of All Time, and he is also somewhere on the list of the Greatest Artists of All Time in Rollingstone or something.
Besides that being incredibly subjective and also the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum, wouldn't you have a better case for saying that MC's 1-8 are better choices for "true fans" over #9, based off of your above "logical evidence"?
Originally posted by Insomniatric
And no, I would easily admit if you could write better lyrics than Eminem. I just am about 99.9% sure that you couldn't.
LOL!
Guess what: I've written lyrics twice in our conversation, so far, and you did not recognize them. Guess that means I suck really really bad, eh? 😆
Originally posted by Insomniatric
It's not just Eminem's clever lyrics that make him a great MC. It's his ability to actually rap them the way he does, his flow is probably the best in hip hop. Saying Eminem is not clever and has no talent is just stupid, because no other MC has done what he has done.
I disagree that his flow is the best in Hip Hop.
I never said that Eminem had no talent. I did say, however, that his lyrics are not clever. And, yes, there are plenty of artists that have done exactly what he has done (I'm referring to rise to the "scene."😉
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Please dude, be a little more mature and just leave this topic alone. I have better things to do than to argue about this with you.
Using worlds like "stupid", "noobish", "you know...NOTHING", etc. is definitely not immature, right? 😉
And, it takes me a massive 10 minutes, at the most, to write out these posts. Not very much time. You could listen to 2 or 3 Eminem songs while you reply, right? See, it's a win-win for you.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Here I am . . . R-A-W
terrorist, here to bring trouble to
phoney emcees, I move on and sieze
I just conquer, and stomp another rapper with ease
Cause I'm at my apex and others are be-low
nothing but a milliliter, I'm a kilo
Second to none, making emcees run
Also don't try to step to me, cause I ain't the one
I relieve rappers just like Tylenol
and they know it, so I don't see why you all
try to front, perpetrating a stunt
when you know that I'll smoke you up like a blunt
I'm genuine like Gucci, raw like sushi
The Sage of Rage is what rap did to me
To make me want to create chaos and mayhem
cold rock a party, until the A.M.
I'll make a muscle, grab the mike and hustle
while you stand dazed and amazed, I'll bust a little rhyme
with authority, superiority
and captivate the whole crowd's majority
The rhymes I use definately amuse
better than Dynasty or Hill Street Blues
I'm sure to score, endure for more without a flaw
Cause I get RAW!Verse Two:
I give a speech like a reverend, rappers start severin
and in my lifetime, believe I've never been beaten
or eaten, or just tookin out
you know, come to think about, I keep emcees lookin out
And real nervous, when I'm at your service
Also give me that title boy, you don't deserve this
I work like a slave to become a master
And when I say a rhyme, you know that it has ta
be perfectly fitted, cause I'm committed
the entertainer and trainer and Kane'll get with it
I go and flow and grow to let you know, I'll damage ya
I'm not an amateur but a professional unquestionable, without a doubt superb
Also full of action, my name should be a verb
My voice will float, on every note
when I clear my throat, that's all she wrote
The minute that the Kane starts to go on
believe it's gonna be smooth sailing so sail on
As I put other rappers out of their misery
Get em in a battle and make them all history
Rulin and schoolin, emcees that I'm duelin
watch em all take a fall, as I sit back coolin
on a throne, with a bronze microphone
Uhm, God bless the child that can hold his own
Cause I get raw!Verse Three:
chillin, killin like a villain
the meaning of RAW is Ready And Willing
to do whatever is clever, take a loss never
And the rhymes I bust, comin off is a must
And I come off hard with rhymes that are odd
I rip the microphone and leave it scarred
Never smokin or hittin or takin a sniff
Only crushin emcees that be tryin to riff
I get strong and titanic, do work like a mechanic
make emcees panic, they all get frantic
And skeptic, like a girl on a contraceptive
As I rocked, but hey, what you expected?
I'll get raw for ya, just like a warrior
rather like a samurai, and I;ll be damn if I
ever let a Fisher-Price emcee hang
their rhymes are toy, nothing but ying yang
So if we battle on the microphone
bring your own casket and tombstone
And I'ma preach your funeral, tell me who in the world
could ever come with more, I get RAW!
Originally posted by dadudemon
Excuse me (mostly because I farted), you're the one getting worked up. I've kept a calm level head.Rhyming words that don't rhyme is not rhyming: it's mispronouncing words. 😐
Oh boy, that's easy: because I can't "MC" very well. 🙂 Unlike other critics of the MC scene, I recognize that it takes talent and hard work to keep an MC rhythm and also rhyme. I can certainly disagree that "his rhymes are weak" though, and no matter what anyone says, I am right because it is my opinion and it can only be opinion that determines that.
He has to put a lot of effort into them because he's weaksauce. 😆 JK, JK. (But I do know people that can bust out better lyrics in 10 minutes than 99% of all pop-culture song writers, in 10 minutes.) Also, I have listened to them: why do you think I don't like him as an artist?
And never once did I say that that was your qualifications for liking him. It was specifically my reasons for disliking him. I understand if that went over your head: that's just my version of what I like to call "witty banter." It was more for hyperbole and mild humor than it was anything else.
I agree that using expletives does not necessarily make a poem bad, automatically: but it certainly does not help and should rarely be used. 🙂
I never criticized him for saying crude things: not even once.
And, how am I punishing Marshall by not listening to "his" music or purchasing it? You really think me not liking hip hop, in general, is going to punish Marshall? 😬
And, yes, it's okay if I "talk" like that, just the same as it is okay for Eminem to make music like that. Did I ever once say it was not kosher? I do believe the discussion is about opinions and what we do and do not like in musical style.
Obviously, this is false.
Logic:
If one is a true hip hop fan, then they always believe Eminem is incredible.
No, that is obviously not true.
While that statement is obviously false, is the contrapositve true?
If one is not a hip hop fan, then they never believe Eminem is incredible.
No, that's not true either. Someone could not be a fan of Hip Hop but love Eminem's particular flavor of it.
Besides that being incredibly subjective and also the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum, wouldn't you have a better case for saying that MC's 1-8 are better choices for "true fans" over #9, based off of your above "logical evidence"?
LOL!
Guess what: I've written lyrics twice in our conversation, so far, and you did not recognize them. Guess that means I suck really really bad, eh? 😆
I disagree that his flow is the best in Hip Hop.
I never said that Eminem had no talent. I did say, however, that his lyrics are not clever. And, yes, there are plenty of artists that have done exactly what he has done (I'm referring to rise to the "scene."😉
Using worlds like "stupid", "noobish", "you know...NOTHING", etc. is definitely not immature, right? 😉
And, it takes me a massive 10 minutes, at the most, to write out these posts. Not very much time. You could listen to 2 or 3 Eminem songs while you reply, right? See, it's a win-win for you.
I'm not gonna read all that crap right now, mostly because I have school.
But why can't you listen? I don't want to argue this with you. Yes I'm getting mad, you don't know when to shut up. You obviously are mad about something or bothered by something, otherwise you would have left he topic alone like I asked.
Eminem's rhymes are not weak. Let me explain Infinite to you.
The reason why Infinite is such a great song is because of the how deep it is.
Here's what some of the lyrics mean.
"My rhyming skills got you climbin hills"- Meaning he makes rappers head for the hills to get away from him
"I'm sliming grills of roaches, with spray that disinfects 'em;
Twisting necks of rappers 'til their spinal column disconnects"- He compares killing roaches with bug spray to killing rappers by snapping their necks. In both cases- killing pests with ease.
"Examination of more cartoons than animation" - Wack rappers (whose pop rap ends up playing as "car tunes" are like fake "cartoons"
"My lamination of narration hits a snare and bass on a track
****ed up rapper interrogation" - His verses stick to the beat as if they were laminated on
"I got some meat to mince, fruit to stomp and then two feet to rinse"
Eminem will “mince meat” (creative allusion to “beef”) with other rappers and stomp “fruits” (homosexuals)
"Man, I got evidence, I'm never dense
And I've been clever ever since
My residence was hesitant to do some shit that represents the M-O"
Eminem has been marked with the signs of genius since his childhood
“MO” stands for both modus operandi and Missouri, the state where Eminem was born
He has been a genius since the day he stepped foot in a place where the residents represented the modus operandi of Missouri (the “MO of MO”, if you will).. which is precisely what Missourans do..
"My skill in intergalactical"- The galaxy is not enough for 100% of Eminem's skills
"I never packed a tool or acted cool, it wasn't practical
I'd rather let a tactical, tact full track tickle your fancy"- He never carried a gun or acted tough because he wasn't. He'd rather made songs that people like.
"MC's are feeble, I came to cause some pandemonium
Battle a band of phony MC's and stand the lonely one" He can battle a whole group and win on his own.
I guess I'll debate this with you later, since you can't seem to shut up. I have to go now. I've got school.