Magneto and Havok, Cannonball vs Superman Captain Marvel and The Manhunter

Magneto and Havok, Cannonball Vs. Superman Captain Marvel and The Manhunter.
Here, objectivly. Havok would go first down and would probably die quickly. What he doesn't have is durabilty. Magneto may protect him with force field, but Magento would also have trouble with other, so he wouldn't be able to protect others for long. Havok would go quickly down.
Magneto and Cannonball stays. Magento could hurt Superman. But Cannonball can be hurt. He can be overloaded, he may take one powerful punch or more powerful punches, but he cannot take everything and those guy could take him down (and MM could do it easily with his mental powers). Only real threat is Magneto, but he doesn't have enough support to go against those guys.
DC wins.

'Cept Superman is useless with Magneto there, so he gets blasted by Havok and dies or Magneto just finishes him. Havok, I'll admit, goes down first if anyone on that team does. But durability doesn't really matter in the way Magneto would rip them apart. And since the Martian Manhunter can't get Magneto with a mental attack, that leaves it to physical attacks and Magneto's shield has never been broken.

Kinda ignoring Cannonball because I don't know much about him, the other guys I know.

Marvel has no chance in hell to win this fight.DC all the way

In order to take down Havok your probably going to have to get close the Havoks power use who ever coming towards him powers to power up and he lays waste to them. I quote "absorb ambient cosmic energy"

Which is useless since NONE of the fighters have cosmic energy.

Yes HAvok would die...immediately after he kills Superman who is reduced to plain old Clark Kent after Magneto neutralizes his powers.

Against a sublight speeds Superman? Triumph had to grab him in order to do so.

Not likely. Magneto would need time to analzye the nature of his opponents' powers. Which would require time.

A speedblitz or a blast of eyevision takes Havok outeasily. The main threat is Magneto...and even he can't stand up to all of these powerhouses.

Magneto wouldn't take any longer to analyze the situation than SM or MM. And Magneto is probably more aware in his sense of the EMS than he is of his regular vision.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Magneto wouldn't take any longer to analyze the situation than SM or MM. And Magneto is probably more aware in his sense of the EMS than he is of his regular vision.

Is there some upgrade I'm not aware about where Magneto's brain suddenly operates at sublight speeds? Please.

Havok goes down in the first nanosecond by ANY of the three. Followed by Cannonball since his forcefield is rather useless against magic or telepathy.

Then after only a few seconds it's Magneto vs. three of the most powerful Supers in comics.

I'd go with DC.

Xplosive made a very clear and accurate analysis.

Yea but SM is powerless in this situation...so he's actually nobody of DC against Magneto...just a guy in an ambiguous costume walking around and unale to fly.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Yea but SM is powerless in this situation...so he's actually nobody of DC against Magneto...just a guy in an ambiguous costume walking around and unale to fly.

Powerless? Triumph had full knowledge about Superman's powers and a huge upgrade from the genie to be able to siphon Superman's solar reserves. Not to mention he needed actual physical contact to do so.

The battle lasted a few minutes at the most.

Unfortunately for Magneto, he has no such knowledge about Superman's abilities and will need time to analyze the full nature of his opponents abilities. Time he doesn't have. By the time he manages to "see" exactly what Superman's powers are....his teammates are a bloody pile on the ground.

I'm not saying that Superman will not go down. But against all three? Mags goes down rather hard.

Magneto sees the entire EM spectrum and things affected by it. He'd know Superman's sourse once he saw him. And...the rules of the forum are that everyone knows basic knowledge about the other. So Magneto would know anyway

Superman is effectively nonexistent in this fight. And...as I said before, the others are easily dealt with as well.

Oh, and Havok doesn't absorb his cosmic energies from people. He can absorb it from anywhere. Though people can provide a boost, like when he absorbed some of the Hulk's power because part of his gamma-self was a component to his power.

Originally posted by Draco69
Powerless? Triumph had full knowledge about Superman's powers and a huge upgrade from the genie to be able to siphon Superman's solar reserves. Not to mention he needed actual physical contact to do so.

The battle lasted a few minutes at the most.

Unfortunately for Magneto, he has no such knowledge about Superman's abilities and will need time to analyze the full nature of his opponents abilities. Time he doesn't have. By the time he manages to "see" exactly what Superman's powers are....his teammates are a bloody pile on the ground.

I'm not saying that Superman will not go down. But against all three? Mags goes down rather hard.

I dont think u grasp the way current Magneto fights. This might have been an argument back in the 80's...but ever since the X-Men were all dramatically upgrade, Magneto is treated by the writers like he is a god and he is aware of everything EM...kinda like the Surfer's cosmic sense. Just because triumph need to touch or analyze SM doesnt mean anything. Magneto would sense the aura and wouldnt even need to look at SM...he would jus turn that trash off and look at his costume like WTF?

Originally posted by Wynndar
I dont think u grasp the way current Magneto fights. This might have been an argument back in the 80's...but ever since the X-Men were all dramatically upgrade, Magneto is treated by the writers like he is a god and he is aware of everything EM...kinda like the Surfer's cosmic sense. Just because triumph need to touch or analyze SM doesnt mean anything. Magneto would sense the aura and wouldnt even need to look at SM...he would jus turn that trash off and look at his costume like WTF?

I also don't think you grasp the fact that while Magento's powers are exemplary...he still has human-like reflexes and reactions. While his brain is still processing the thought about the situation at hand, Havok is already dead and Cannonball is damn near close behind.

Oh yea just like every issue of JLA where Superman fights like that.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Oh yea just like every issue of JLA where Superman fights like that.

Or like every Fantastic Four issue where Invisible Woman implodes a person's brain with a forcefield...and yet THAT'S valid to you? 😉

Even though I think my first argument would already end with the Marvel team winning, I'll debate.

What's to stop Magneto from shielding the other two?

Originally posted by Timslar
Even though I think my first argument would already end with the Marvel team winning, I'll debate.

What's to stop Magneto from shielding the other two?

Sublight superspeed. You guys are SERIOUSLY underrating the other two contestants: Martian Manhunter and Captain Marvel. Even WITHOUT Superman these two are quite capable of winning the battle by twain.

It's not like Superman is fighting the battle by himself folks. 😕

Superman isn't a factor, in this fight he's just...a guy.

How long do you think it takes for Magneto to use his powers? He'd be ready, I'm sure.

Originally posted by Timslar
Superman isn't a factor, in this fight he's just...a guy.

How long do you think it takes for Magneto to use his powers? He'd be ready, I'm sure.

After a minute or two in this fight maybe not. But in the first few minutes, he'll provide a few punishing blows to the REST of the team.

Havok goes down easily by the ANY of the three.

Cannonball falls to telepathy, magic or speedblitz.

Magneto falls to the combined might of the heros.

Magneto's reactions are nowhere near the trio's. By the time he acts his opponents have already won half the battle.

And you guys seem to neglect the OTHER teammates besides Superman who are already comparable to Superman or even above in some aspects.