I'm not talking about Superman, all I said was he's useless in this fight. I've said the Martian can't mess with Magneto's mind and he can take out Captain Marvel just fine.
A top priority is to protect the people he's fighting with. So his team is basically immune to physical attack. Captain Marvel is useless now, and the Martian gets focused on by the team.
Originally posted by Timslar
Superman isn't a factor, in this fight he's just...a guy.How long do you think it takes for Magneto to use his powers? He'd be ready, I'm sure.
As long as it takes him to process a thought. Which is longer than it takes Superman/CM/MM to lobotomize/squish Havok and Cannonball...
Magneto then goes down to 2/3 big, superstrong, superfast dudes blasting/pounding at his shields.
Originally posted by Timslar
I'm not talking about Superman, all I said was he's useless in this fight.
Useless? How? At the start of the bell all of the sudden Superman loses his powers because SOMEHOW Magneto is quicker on the draw?
Superman (or ANY of his teammates) could just attack Magneto's OTHER teammates. Like Havok.
Oops. Mags is down one teammate in the first nanosecond.
Originally posted by Timslar
I've said the Martian can't mess with Magneto's mind and he can take out Captain Marvel just fine.
If Charles Xavier can mess with Magneto's mind, then MM who is every damn way SUPERIOR to Xavier can also the same. If he can mentally battle the Endless and Mageddon then he can mentally combat Magneto.
And you're joking if you think he can take down Marvel easily since his magical invulnerability would block ALOT of what Magneto would do to him.
Originally posted by Timslar
A top priority is to protect the people he's fighting with. So his team is basically immune to physical attack. Captain Marvel is useless now, and the Martian gets focused on by the team.
This would be valid...in another dimension. By the time Magneto PROCESSES the thought of erecting shields his teammates are being bludgeoned into a bloody paste by several Class+ fists at sublight speeds.
Captain Marvel's magic would present a formidable challenge to Magneto's shields as would Martian Manhunter's mental attacks/phasing.
Originally posted by Dizzle
As long as it takes him to process a thought. Which is longer than it takes Superman/CM/MM to lobotomize/squish Havok and Cannonball...Magneto then goes down to 2/3 big, superstrong, superfast dudes blasting/pounding at his shields.
EXACTLY. It's not that difficult to process using logic.
Kudos Dizzle.
Could Magneto not affect Captain Marvels Transformation? and Cannonball in is fighting form becomes virtually invulnerable. Cannonball is use a protective field witch protects any person or object with which he is in physical contact. Also interseting to note Cannonball once recovered from mortal injuries inflicted by Sauron that allegedly left him temporarily dead. "It has been theorized that Cannonball's miraculous recovery was an indication that he was an External, a mutant gifted with immortality. It is unclear whether or not Cannonball is indeed an External, but it has subsequently been demonstrated that even Externals can be permanently killed".
Read what I said earlier, alright...here it goes.
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Useless? How? At the start of the bell all of the sudden Superman loses his powers because SOMEHOW Magneto is quicker on the draw?"
Yes. He's protected so if he can't be stopped then Superman will be drained. Simple.
"If Charles Xavier can mess with Magneto's mind, then MM who is every damn way SUPERIOR to Xavier can also the same. If he can mentally battle the Endless and Mageddon then he can mentally combat Magneto.
And you're joking if you think he can take down Marvel easily since his magical invulnerability would block ALOT of what Magneto would do to him."
Magneto has fought off Xavier and Jean at the same time, while being in a fight. Martian Manhunter is better than Xavier, but not both of them...so that doesn't work.
"This would be valid...in another dimension. By the time Magneto PROCESSES the thought of erecting shields his teammates are being bludgeoned into a bloody paste by several Class+ fists at sublight speeds.
Captain Marvel's magic would present a formidable challenge to Magneto's shields as would Martian Manhunter's mental attacks/phasing."
His shields have been hit by Galactus, Thor, and Phoenix...they won't be broken by those 3. And his shields are ALWAYS up nowadays. And I can't see hwo his shields can be phased through...evne if MM could get through he;'d be immediately expelled.
Originally posted by golem370
Could Magneto not affect Captain Marvels Transformation? and Cannonball in is fighting form becomes virtually invulnerable. Cannonball is use a protective field witch protects any person or object with which he is in physical contact. Also interseting to note Cannonball once recovered from mortal injuries inflicted by Sauron that allegedly left him temporarily dead. "It has been theorized that Cannonball's miraculous recovery was an indication that he was an External, a mutant gifted with immortality. It is unclear whether or not Cannonball is indeed an External, but it has subsequently been demonstrated that even Externals can be permanently killed".
Unfortunately this "Eternal" theory was later disproven. Go to uncannyxmen.net
Could Magento affect Captain Marvel's transformation? Maybe. But very unlikely since not many things have affect his transformation even the likes of the Spectre. It's not normal lightening folks.
Too bad for Mags, Marvel is ALREADY transformed.
And Cannonball is "invulnerable" my butt. He got his ass handed to him by the Fury. And it does nothing against magic or telepathy.
Magneto starts with his shields up but Captaim Marvel starts as Billy Batson? I think not. Plus it's magic lightning, which would not be under Mag's control anyhow.
Cannonball is VIRTUALLY invulnerable. But he has no defense to psionics or magic. Which, even if Superman dies, the DC team has in spades.
Mags still remains the only one standing after a thousandth of a second. And he is NOT taking Captain Marvel and Martian Manhunter. And possibly Superman.
Originally posted by Timslar
Yes. He's protected so if he can't be stopped then Superman will be drained. Simple.
Simple as your argument. For god's sake. THINK. You HONESTLY believe that an old man with human reflexes can some how THINK, PROCESS, and ACT faster than a person who can do all these and more at SUBLIGHT SPEEDS? Please...
Originally posted by Timslar
Magneto has fought off Xavier and Jean at the same time, while being in a fight. Martian Manhunter is better than Xavier, but not both of them...so that doesn't work.
Martian Manhunter IS better than Xavier. However Magneto would not have to bear the brunt of uber-telepathy. No, he'll have to deal with speedblitzes, Zeus's lightining, heat vision, Martian vision and TK attacks. From every direction. At impossible speeds. His will to deflect the mental attacks will falter against such stress.
Originally posted by Timslar
His shields have been hit by Galactus, Thor, and Phoenix
A depowered Thor. A depowered Phoenix. And a hungry-ass Galactus.
Woo. Impressive.
Originally posted by Timslar
they won't be broken by those 3.
Initially? No. Several sublight speedblitz attacks from every direction and in multiple ways? Yep.
Originally posted by Timslar
And his shields are ALWAYS up nowadays.
Who says these "7-11" shields are powerful enough to deflect such montrous attacks. You're telling me that Mags ALWAYS puts up such powerful shields? Bullsh**. He has constant shields. But not on THAT level. He needs to build up his energies for that.
Originally posted by Timslar
And I can't see hwo his shields can be phased through
Kitty Pryde and the Vision seemed to have no difficulites doing so. As did Photon.
if
Originally posted by Timslar
MM could get through he;'d be immediately expelled.
Maybe. The real question is before or after MM blasts his skull apart with Martian Vision?
Originally posted by Timslar
And Magneto can control minds...and if Captain Marvel isn't immune to that, he'd be forced back to being that kid.
Is his telepathy more powerful than Manhunter's? I think not.
Originally posted by Timslar
Magneto in his current form always has his shield...can't argue with it.
Do you have ANY proof that his "7-11" shields are capable of withstanding such an onslaught? Nope.
"Simple as your argument. For god's sake. THINK. You HONESTLY believe that an old man with human reflexes can some how THINK, PROCESS, and ACT faster than a person who can do all these and more at SUBLIGHT SPEEDS? Please..."
Magneto isn't an old man now. He would drain Superman because he won't be stopped because they can't stop him. It doesn't matter how fast they ram into his powerful shields.
"Martian Manhunter IS better than Xavier. However Magneto would not have to bear the brunt of uber-telepathy. No, he'll have to deal with speedblitzes, Zeus's lightining, heat vision, Martian vision and TK attacks. From every direction. At impossible speeds. His will to deflect the mental attacks will falter against such stress."
I said he was better than Xavier, but not Xavier and Jean...which he has beaten while in a fight. And since MM is the only threat, Magneto wouldn't let it continue. I'm not the one who isn't thinking.
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A depowered Thor. A depowered Phoenix. And a hungry-ass Galactus.
Woo. Impressive."
Prove that they were all so depowered. And even if they were, it IS impressive.
Maybe. The real question is before or after MM blasts his skull apart with Martian Vision?"
I'm sure.
I'm not a stubborn guy. I can be convinced, you're just...not doing it.
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Here is some info on Mag "Although Magneto's power is not on the level of the Silver Surfer in his prime, it is for all practical purposes limitless. Even before his rejuvenation, Magneto once liEed a cargo freighter weighing 30,000 tons 50 feet into the air from a distance of 300 feet away. Moreover, Magneto can use his magnetic powers in more than one way simultaneously. He can completely assemble a complicated machine within seconds through his powers. He can erec! magnetic force fields with a high degree of impenetrability around himself for protection. Although Magneto often gestures when using his magnetic powers, he can utilize them fully even when standing totally still merely by concentrating.
Although Magneto's primary power is magnetism, he seems to have some ability to project or manipulate any form of energy that is related to magnetism. In the past he has fired a bolt of electricity, he has also created enough intense heat to destroy a metal door. Heat, or infrared radiation, is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, which also includes visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma-rays, and x-rays. Magneto may be able to project any of these. He has also been shown creating an anti-gravity field, and presumably does so whenever he levitates a non-magnetic object. Hence, Magneto may be living proof of the longsought Unified Field Theory that all forms of energy are related. However, Magneto almost always uses only magnetism, so perhaps it is more difficult for him to manipulate other forms of energy.
In previous years Magneto has apparently exhibited powers of astral projection and telepathy, and has claimed to be able to control the minds of others. His abilities along these lines are minimal, however-enough, perhaps, to protect himself against mightier telepaths, but not of great use otherwise".
Originally posted by Timslar
Magneto isn't an old man now. He would drain Superman because he won't be stopped because they can't stop him. It doesn't matter how fast they ram into his powerful shields.
Unless he's Joseph again or something ridiculous to that nature, he's still an old man with the body of a exceptionally fit 50 year old.
Can Magneto drain Superman? Yes. In the thousandth of a second after the start of the battle where Magneto's teammates are down and out and the trio are already pounding away at his ass? Absolutely not.
Magneto doesn't have such reactions or reflexes. He never has and never will. Period.
And for god's sake do you HONESTLY think Magneto's shields will last for long against THREE upper-level Class 100 foes assaulting his shields from every direction at sublightspeeds? Such impacts would be equivalent to a nuclear explosion.
Originally posted by Timslar
said he was better than Xavier, but not Xavier and Jean...which he has beaten while in a fight. And since MM is the only threat, Magneto wouldn't let it continue. I'm not the one who isn't thinking.
Beaten? He got MINDWIPED. 😕
MM is the ONLY threat? Are simply ignoring Captain Marvel and Superman assaulting him at sublight speeds with various attacks? Of course you are.
Originally posted by Timslar
I'm not a stubborn guy. I can be convinced, you're just...not doing it.
I never said you were stubborn. But since you mentioned it there may be some truth to that.
It's not that difficult to process. It's basically Superman and Friends versus Magneto. Unless you want to make an arguement where Havok and Cannonball will somehow someway HELP?
I made those arguments already including Havok...twice. But I dont' knwo much about Cannonball which I also said.
The reflexes don't matter. One thought and things just start happening. Forcefields (Not counting the one around himself which is always up), ripping people apart, draining Superman. I also stated before that Magneto can multitask.
Question, what can Captain Marvel do to Magneto except pound on his shields? He's the only one left after Superman is just a regular guy, and the Martian got ripped apart because Magneto was annoyed by the telepathy.
Everything I said is well within Magneto's power.
Originally posted by Timslar
I made those arguments already including Havok...twice. But I dont' knwo much about Cannonball which I also said.
Your arguements involving Havok have him acting faster than sublight opponents....AFTER Magneto puts a shield around him. VERY unlikely scenario.
Originally posted by Timslar
The reflexes don't matter.
Yes they do. Reactions are privotal for this battle. Unfortunately Magneto cannot react faster than light.
Originally posted by Timslar
One thought and things just start happening.
Too bad the trio are ridiculously faster than thought which nullifies his attempts to shield his teammates.
And it's not a "thought". The guy has to CONCENTRATE. A mere thought can put up a low to middle level shield. But not a shield powerful enough to counter the trio's verstaility. Which would take time. Time Magneto does not have.
Originally posted by Timslar
Forcefields (Not counting the one around himself which is always up),
Which he couldn't erect in time to save his hopelessly outmatched teammates...
And you STILL haven't proved that Magneto's ""7-11" shields can withstand such an onslaught. And no Callisto doesn't prove sh**.
Originally posted by Timslar
ripping people apart,
Good Luck ripping apart these foes. Especially with their friggin nigh-invulnerable forcefields. Not to mention he cannot even perceive where and when his opponents are thanks to invisible superspeeds.
Originally posted by Timslar
draining Superman.
Once again CAN Magneto drain Superman? Yep. But with one crucial element: TIME. Maybe somewhere in the latter portion of the battle he can drain Superman's solar reserves...but not before Havok and Cannonball die and his shields are being poorly tested.
Originally posted by Timslar
I also stated before that Magneto can multitask.
He can?!?! Big News! Too bad his multitasking abilities are LAUGHABLE compared to Superman and his crew.
You seem to think that in the thousandth of a second: Magneto thinking and reacting faster than light itself will think:
"Hmm. These three are headed straight for me and my teammates. My teammates are vulnerable. Better erect a very powerful shield...concentrate....there! My teammates are protected! What's this. The one with the red cape seems to have solar reserves in his cells. Well thanks to my genius level intellect and faster than light thinkiing I can now counteract his forcefield and drain his reserves....concentrate...there! The one with the red cape is powerless! What's this? The green one is assaulting me with high-level telepathy. I need to deflect his telepathic attacks! Concentrate.....there! His telepathy is now nullified thanks to the Sci-Fi special I watched about Martian telepathy and its many uses."
ALL this in a THOUSANDTH of a second? PLEASSSSSE.
Originally posted by Timslar
Question, what can Captain Marvel do to Magneto except pound on his shields?
Use Zeus's Lightening. Call upon external magical reserves to beat the crap out Magneto. Speedblitz. Lots of things...
Originally posted by Timslar
He's the only one left after Superman is just a regular guy,
Because Magneto can react and think faster than light, right? Riiiiiight.
Originally posted by Timslar
and the Martian got ripped apart because Magneto was annoyed by the telepathy.
Annoyed? Do you make a habit out of jobbing a character's abilities? Please. The guy went up against a threat to Creation and the Presence itself (Heaven's Ladder) with his telepathy. Magneto won't be "annoyed". He'll be raped to be more accurate. Magento has NEVER fought a telepath of MM's caliber, experience and know-how.
And Magneto can rip apart someone who's moving at sublight speeds or someone who can just reassemble himself since the only way to permanently dissemble a Martian is to disrupt his telepathy.
Originally posted by Timslar
Everything I said is well within Magneto's power.
Powerwise? Sure. Ability wise? Absolutely not.
Listen to reason: Magneto cannot react nor think faster than light so your arguements of "draining" and "shielding" are nullified.