Malak does win.
He has war experience, you can say that it doesn't mean much because it was in a war and not one on one. But if you look at any fight through history were front line generals actually fought, well they always had people aiming at them, they were the targets to go far. If history can be any indication for Star Wars then it would be logical to assume that the most powerful would go for Malak while the rest would challenge the rest, meaning that Malak almost constantly fought the most powerful enemy's that were around. Unless of course Revan was around, but well you know what I mean.
Second of all, we can compare their power of the force. Jedi Council members could not even control the Star Forge, only Malak and Revan could nobody else had the power. Its pretty clear that this makes him extreme with the force, and far much more powerful then Dooku. Also you say toying around with Obi and Anakin makes him impressive? Dooku toyed around with two Jedi just before Revan walked in, using far more powerful force attacks to take them out, knowing he was just about to have the fight of his life.
Oh know, Malak is far more powerful then Dooku with both a lightsaber and the force, Dooku is good. But he simply does not have the experience that Malak has.
Originally posted by Fishy
He has war experience, you can say that it doesn't mean much because it was in a war and not one on one. But if you look at any fight through history were front line generals actually fought, well they always had people aiming at them, they were the targets to go far. If history can be any indication for Star Wars then it would be logical to assume that the most powerful would go for Malak while the rest would challenge the rest, meaning that Malak almost constantly fought the most powerful enemy's that were around. Unless of course Revan was around, but well you know what I mean.
a)
Where does that frontline general stuff come from. Is it ever told how he participated in the wars ?
b)
If it's told somewhere - who did he fight in that wars ? I mean: Knowing how to deflect blasterfire a Mandalorian shoots at you doesn't make you a great duellist and don't tell me he probably fought hundrets or thousands of Jedi because - as we get to know in KotoR II - Revan mostly used rouge tactics against them.
c)
In a war you have battlefields and these aren't little duel arenas. Why should Malak have fought the most powerful people ?
Second of all, we can compare their power of the force. Jedi Council members could not even control the Star Forge, only Malak and Revan could nobody else had the power.
Nice try to compare power. We don't even know how the Star Forge work but what we know is that is was some kind of dark side artifact so it most likely requires a "dark sider" to control it. Then it's logically that no Jedi could do that.
Its pretty clear that this makes him extreme with the force, and far much more powerful then Dooku.
No, it is not.
Also you say toying around with Obi and Anakin makes him impressive? Dooku toyed around with two Jedi just before Revan walked in, using far more powerful force attacks to take them out, knowing he was just about to have the fight of his life.
a)
How powerful where those two Jedi compared to Obi-Wan and Anakin (force powers and lightsaber skills) ? We don't know. Council material ? Who can tell ?
b)
Malak used far more powerful (where did you get that from ?) force powers to kill two people when he knew he would have the duel of his life only moments later ? So he wasted force powers ?
Oh know, Malak is far more powerful then Dooku with both a lightsaber and the force, Dooku is good. But he simply does not have the experience that Malak has.
Proof ? We know that Dooku had some direct combat experience. We know who he fought against. And all we know - for sure - about Malak is that:
a) he killed 2 Jedi
b) he nearly killed Kavar
c) he lost to Revan
Now what does that tell us ? That Malak nearly killed one Council level Jedi Master and needed to hurry to kill 2 Jedi because his former Master was returning where Dooku could handle 2 Council level Jedi at once and even toyed with them and could have easily killed them both in less than 30 seconds when they were Jedi ?
I can't see where Malak is the better duellist and force user.
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
a)
Where does that frontline general stuff come from. Is it ever told how he participated in the wars ?
Kotor 1, Malak was a front line general and a legendary duellist.
]b)
If it's told somewhere - who did he fight in that wars ? I mean: Knowing how to deflect blasterfire a Mandalorian shoots at you doesn't make you a great duellist and don't tell me he probably fought hundrets or thousands of Jedi because - as we get to know in KotoR II - Revan mostly used rouge tactics against them.
Against those that he could yes, but there had to be Jedi around that cuold not be killed like that, that could not be hunted down and executed. Jedi that were on the front line of the wars. Malak would have fought them.
c)
In a war you have battlefields and these aren't little duel arenas. Why should Malak have fought the most powerful people ?
Logic, who is going to be your primary target, the weak bastard or the powerful one. The one that means nothing or the one that could change the tie of the war. Throughout history commanders have always been the best target, seeing as Malak is described as somebody who fights in the battles during Kotor 1 it would be logical to assume that all those that stood a chance would attack him and that the most powerful one's would create that chance.
Nice try to compare power. We don't even know how the Star Forge work but what we know is that is was some kind of dark side artifact so it most likely requires a "dark sider" to control it. Then it's logically that no Jedi could do that.
Masters joined Malak and Revan... They could not control the Star Forge.
a)
How powerful where those two Jedi compared to Obi-Wan and Anakin (force powers and lightsaber skills) ? We don't know. Council material ? Who can tell ?
What would it matter? Obi Wan and Anakin were nice but nothing special, we know Malak was more powerful then Masters could beat powerful Masters as well. There is just no reason to assume either one of those would stand a chance against Malak, he would cream them too. Dooku was never challenged, not until he fought Yoda and he couldn't win that he lost his life in a weak way. Malak was challenged once and he lost because of Revan.
Now Malak and Revan could have been leagues above everybody else, but you are not honestly going to tell me that you think those two could be weak. There is just no logic in it, Malak would have to had fought a lot of people, its implied.
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I don't know, if you get tired from using it, hardly matters anyways. And yeah, he was choking them both then used lightning on one and threw his lightsaber at the other.
Proof ? We know that Dooku had some direct combat experience. We know who he fought against. And all we know - for sure - about Malak is that:a) he killed 2 Jedi
b) he nearly killed Kavar
c) he lost to Revan
Who did Dooku face and beat that was worth fighting except for Mace but that was a training match? We don't know anything specific about Malak, but all logic says he killed more people and those that are considered powerful.
Now what does that tell us ? That Malak nearly killed one Council level Jedi Master and needed to hurry to kill 2 Jedi because his former Master was returning where Dooku could handle 2 Council level Jedi at once and even toyed with them and could have easily killed them both in less than 30 seconds when they were Jedi ?
Killed in a hurry? He was waiting for Revan to show up before he killed them. He was toying with them, god knows how long he held them like that. And two council level Jedi? They are nothing special, neither one of them was trained enough and had the power. They would lose from most Jedi that had seen any kind of real combat.
I can't see where Malak is the better duellist and force user.
And I can't see how Dooku stands a chance...