Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
malak was one of the first sith ..... he may have less expierience that way..the dark side is a new thing at this time and dooku has studied both sides longer than malak did malak was new to the force when he drove away the mandalorians from the temple also he changed his view on the force without considering the possibilities...but dooku had given much thought to the dark and light side and spent many many years working for both sides
Malak was not one of the first Sith, he was a late ancient one.. Still the Dark Side had been around and fought by the Jedi for more then a thousand years, if anything the Sith of that time would know a hell of a lot more about the Dark Side then the Sith of Dooku his time, because they were still used to battles and most of it was still in tact.
Malak was also a promosing young Knight when he went to join the Republic against the Mandelorians. He had many years of training already, yeah not as much as Dooku but still a reasonable amount.
Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
in KOTOR it sayes revan was the first sith plus malak was his apprentace and that is not unsupported bs
Erm...
The Sith (as dark siders) were around from 25,000 years before ANH on...
And Revan wasn't the first Sith:
Ajunta Pall (20,000+ years before ANH)
Ragnos, Sadow, Kressh (5,000 years before ANH)
Freedon Nadd (4,400 years before ANH)
Exar Kun, Ulic Quel-Droma, Satal and Aleema Keeto (4,000 years before ANH)
Tulak Hord (????)
All of them were Sith before Malak and Revan were around so they can't be the first.
Actually I think Dooku could curbstomp Malak and let me try and list off a couple of reasons.
1) Dooku is at least 50 years older than Malak giving him a huge advantage in experience.
2) Due to his unparalled experience in Makashi he could tire Malak out rather easily and kill him.
3) Also I no longer consider Malak to be anywhere near Dooku in force power due to his experience.
1) Malak fought years of war, against Jedi Killers and then Jedi.. Dooku did not. Dooku may be older but he could not easily defeat Mace if at all. And Mace was definitly younger then Dooku. So this means nothing.
2) Ah yes, i'm sure that in a time where Malak fought many lightsaber users he never managed to find a weakness in Makashi or fought Makashi users before. The style is not unbeatable... And Malak is a lightsaber prodigy.
3) unsupported bias.. Like most here really.
Actually I think Dooku could curbstomp Malak and let me try and list off a couple of reasons.
Please do. I'm bored this time of day.
1) Dooku is at least 50 years older than Malak giving him a huge advantage in experience.
Unfortunately, as is proved many times in Star Wars (Kun versus Vodo, Sidious versus Yoda, etc.) experience isn't -that- huge of an advantage. Malak arguably has a lot more wartime experience, when you consider that Dooku was in one named conflict before the Clone Wars, and during neither of those was Dooku fighting through Mandalorians or jedi knights in legion.
While I'd love to think that Dooku was the best duellist since Kun because of his meticulous dedication to Form II, he was not as tried in battle as was Malak.
2) Due to his unparalled experience in Makashi he could tire Malak out rather easily and kill him.
Unparalleled? He's the only master in his time. This isn't "of all time". And obviously Dooku wasn't able to pull this "tire them out" trick with Anakin, Yoda, or Sidious.
3) Also I no longer consider Malak to be anywhere near Dooku in force power due to his experience.
This relates to point one, and is moot since your opinion means literally nothing to the rest of us unless it's supported with proof or at the very least- logic. If experience and Form II mastery are the things you're judging your decision off of, you need to look deeper into it. Experience has not been the ultimate determination of battle outcomes. If anything in SW history, younger people tend to win battles over older, more experienced enemies. Not all the time, but surprisingly a lot. And Form II is rare and besides Dooku, unmastered in the PT times, but it is not rare nor unmastered in Malak's time. If anything, it would probably be having a resurgence of popularity since the Sith had reappeared.
Not to mention that Malak also had the respect from the Mandelorians, just secondary to the respect they gave Revan because Revan was the first to join and the one in charge. Still Malak was respected and feared by them as well...
And yes Dooku might stand a chance against Malak, I would not see it past him. But I do think that Malak is superior to Dooku in most fields, if only by small margins.
Dooku has the skill yes... But its not going to be easy.. If he can do it all, i'd put my money on Malak. And I doubt Malak would actually fight with pure rage, a lot unless it gives him strength. He was very calm as a Jedi and even as a Sith Lord he gave me the impression of being calm and knowing what he was doing. Cruel as hell but still calm, he would not let his anger overcome him.