The source + TOAA versus Phoenix force

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Show me where god needs a creator force🙂 Expalain the Omega point theory as you understand it again 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
This is what Stan Lee says about creation 🙂 as applied to the Marvel Universe, Hang on Stan created Marvel 😕

CNM: You were one of the first people to portray blacks and minorities in your comics as equals to everyone else and you did it way before the rest of the country did. Do you consider yourself a civil rights activist?
SL: I don't really consider myself a civil rights activist, I consider myself a human rights activist. I feel if one believes in God, and if God created the world and all living creatures, then one must believe if God created all, then it follows that all living beings as God's creatures, were created equal.

His personal beleifs are stated, it doesn't really say that that applies to the Marvel universe. Just what he beleives, probably for the real world.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Show me where god needs a creator force🙂 Expalain the Omega point theory as you understand it again 🙂

This is what Stan Lee says about creation 🙂 as applied to the Marvel Universe, Hang on Stan created Marvel 😕

CNM: You were one of the first people to portray blacks and minorities in your comics as equals to everyone else and you did it way before the rest of the country did. Do you consider yourself a civil rights activist?
SL: I don't really consider myself a civil rights activist, I consider myself a human rights activist. I feel if one believes in God, and if God created the world and all living creatures, then one must believe if God created all, then it follows that all living beings as God's creatures, were created equal.

Many though GS if you read this thread do not share your view 🙂

I dont need to defend myself. Ive done all of the arguing about that particular issue i need to. You have been acting as if you read my arguments and found fault with them but you didnt even read my posts all of those posts all those months ago. The posts that convinced a lot of members, the members whose opinions and views i value. If you look at this thread you'll see that the people who question my claims are people relatively new to the forum those who have missed all of those posts. Oh well. 😱

The people i have convinced argue in my place when im not around and im content with that. I cant convince everyone because there are always new users joining every month and i certainly dont intend to argue relentlessly for all of my time on this forum. If you wish to be enlightened, if you truly wish to know then do a search. Otherwise believe what you wish. Convincing one individual doesnt rate very highly on my list of priorities. Happy searching. 😄

Superheo Vandel etc have been here as long as you 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I dont need to defend myself. Ive done all of the arguing about that particular issue i need to. You have been acting as if you read my arguments and found fault with them but you didnt even read my posts all of those posts all those months ago. The posts that convinced a lot of members, the members whose opinions and views i value.

Or people just got sick of reading blah blah blah. And you win by default.

The people i have convinced argue in my place when im not around and im content with that. 😄

Wow, sounds to me you started a religion. No wonder you rank it as one of the greatest achievements in your life.

I cant convince everyone because there are always new users joining every month and i certainly dont intend to argue relentlessly for all of my time on this forum.

Really? Could have fooled me, given the number of posts you made to this thread. 💃

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Part of God based on what Rich show me where thats stated in any comic 🙂

4 Jesse Custer can with a sentence, Spectre who is DC's gods vengence could, Living Tribunal could. I believe others can as well.

Don't worry, GS is clearly a PF fanboy.

I've already proven it.

Originally posted by Richrf
Don't worry, GS is clearly a PF fanboy.

I've already proven it.

Your contributions thus far have only proven you have little to no common sense or knowledge of comics is all. Theres a reason why a number of people now place Phoenix either at LT level or above. Its because of my contributions to previous threads. Both you and Whirly have missed those. Thats not my problem.

You painted a scenario where TOAA is fighting against a part of TOAA. I told you it couldnt and wouldnt happen so i get labelled a fanboy. Hmmmm 😕

You have little to no knowledge of Phoenix. Im guessing you know only of the retcon era phoenix. So you came on to this forum having missed all of the previous threads and not having read the appropriate comics and saw me and others making all the claims about phoenix. This thread was an attempt to mock those you deemed good examples of fanboyism at its extremes, those who were at fault, when in reality the fault lies with you. You are the ignorant one here in this situation i suggest you expand your comic book collection and educate yourself before making such comments.

Galactic Storm you do come across as a "fanboy" not that I'm calling you one. Just admit that if TOAA were to suddenly want to get rid of (the reason doesn't matter this is a forum where you could find Batman fighting Classic Juggernaut with no reason behind their encounter) it then TOAA would wipe Phoenix from existence. Without saying that "Phoenix is a part of TOAA so why would they fight?" That does make you seem like a fanboy because you just can't come out and say that Phoenix would lose without some long explanation about how Phoenix is a part of TOAA, but remember I'm not calling you one so don't take this the wrong way.

Instead of posting long posts about how they would never fight (Phoenix could try to turn against TOAA or something we never know, if we knew the future of comics then they wouldn't sell very well) just admit that she would lose and move on.

Just because Phoenix Force is a small part of TOAA doesn't mean that TOAA has to forever keep it, TOAA could suddenly get the urge for a new "Primal force of creation." It can do anything it's god.

Originally posted by Madguitarist
Galactic Storm you do come across as a "fanboy" not that I'm calling you one. Just admit that if TOAA were to suddenly want to get rid of (the reason doesn't matter this is a forum where you could find Batman fighting Classic Juggernaut with no reason behind their encounter) it then TOAA would wipe Phoenix from existence. Without saying that "Phoenix is a part of TOAA so why would they fight?" That does make you seem like a fanboy because you just can't come out and say that Phoenix would lose without some long explanation about how Phoenix is a part of TOAA, but remember I'm not calling you one so don't take this the wrong way.

Instead of posting long posts about how they would never fight (Phoenix could try to turn against TOAA or something we never know, if we knew the future of comics then they wouldn't sell very well) just admit that she would lose and move on.

Just because Phoenix Force is a small part of TOAA doesn't mean that TOAA has to forever keep it, TOAA could suddenly get the urge for a new "Primal force of creation." It can do anything it's god.

But ive never denied that Phoenix as an aspect is lower ranking than TOAA. Ive said it. Thats the funny thing. Everyone who has been on here for a decent amount of time knows that. So that isnt in debate. Its just that the battle cant happen because the Phoenix isnt a living sentient thing. Its just an energy source so how is it going to suddenly turn and fight TOAA when TOAA is in complete control of it. It is him. Thats the point i was trying to get across but others because of ignorance of the character tried to label me a fanboy. Its silly but oh well 😱

Originally posted by Madguitarist
Just admit that if TOAA were to suddenly want to get rid of (the reason doesn't matter this is a forum where you could find Batman fighting Classic Juggernaut with no reason behind their encounter) it then TOAA would wipe Phoenix from existence. Without saying that "Phoenix is a part of TOAA so why would they fight?" That does make you seem like a fanboy because you just can't come out and say that Phoenix would lose without some long explanation about how Phoenix is a part of TOAA, but remember I'm not calling you one so don't take this the wrong way.

Instead of posting long posts about how they would never fight (Phoenix could try to turn against TOAA or something we never know, if we knew the future of comics then they wouldn't sell very well) just admit that she would lose and move on.

Very astute of you. That was my point. not a debate over the nature of PF.

Just because Phoenix Force is a small part of TOAA doesn't mean that TOAA has to forever keep it, TOAA could suddenly get the urge for a new "Primal force of creation." It can do anything it's god.

But that would mean saying PF can lose and that's a big no no in fanboy world.

You have little to no knowledge of Phoenix. Im guessing you know only of the retcon era phoenix. So you came on to this forum having missed all of the previous threads and not having read the appropriate comics and saw me and others making all the claims about phoenix.

The issue is not with my knowledge of comics. It's with the way you act. . You think the reason why you are coming off as a fanboy is because i disagree with you about what the PF is. It isn't.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But ive never denied that Phoenix as an aspect is lower ranking than TOAA. Ive said it. Thats the funny thing.

Mighty generous of you to say your PF is lower in importance to GOD himself. 😉 . I wonder how many people who are labeled as batman , hulk etc fanboys are labelled wrongly because they too would admit batman,hulk is less important than God.

Everyone who has been on here for a decent amount of time knows that. So that isnt in debate. Its just that the battle cant happen because the Phoenix isnt a living sentient thing. Its just an energy source so how is it going to suddenly turn and fight TOAA when TOAA is in complete control of it. It is him. Thats the point i was trying to get across but others because of ignorance of the character tried to label me a fanboy. Its silly but oh well 😱

Yes, and your instance that it just can't happen, wouldn't happen to be because you just can't say PF can lose to something, even God would it?

Originally posted by Richrf
Mighty generous of you to say your PF is lower in importance to GOD himself. 😉 . I wonder how many people who are labeled as batman , hulk etc fanboys are labelled wrongly because they too would admit batman,hulk is less important than God.

Yes, and your instance that it just can't happen, wouldn't happen to be because you just can't say PF can lose to something, even God would it?

Son you've been here 5 mins. You have not debated with me previously you have no prior knowledge of my conduct. You having no knowledge of phoenix made this thread to get at fanboys but you were wrong. If you had been here for a decent amount of time you'd have seen my opinions on the hierachy you would know that i think as should everyone else on this board that TOAA is supreme and that nothing can beat him.

You wrongly see the Phoenix as a tool. Thats what you need to get out of your head. Its not something TOAA made on the side to do his will its a part of him. An aspect a different personality as it were. Its just energy thats what im trying to get through to you. Its Gods energy so it cant fight against him/it. You ignorantly made a silly thread and i tried to bring that to your knowledge. You thought you were being clever making a thread to mock fanboys but you only highlighted your ignorance.

If this thread was Phoenix of the white Crown(Jean Grey) Vs TOAA and the Source then you could have a debate going. But instead you put the Phoenix Force which cant happen. If you read the comics you'd realise how very silly you've made yourself look. The only other person who's arguing along side you is Whirly who funnily enough also hasnt read the appropriate comics or my previous threads. Silly silly 🙄 😮

I forgot to mention. In crossovers Phoenix is the Source anyway. Just check out Uncanny Xmen Vs Teen titans. So there are no opposing forces. You've got god taking shots at himself. Yeah great thread idea Rich. You certainly know your comics. 😱 😆

21]Originally posted by Madguitarist
Galactic Storm you do come across as a "fanboy" not that I'm calling you one. Just admit that if TOAA were to suddenly want to get rid of (the reason doesn't matter this is a forum where you could find Batman fighting Classic Juggernaut with no reason behind their encounter) it then TOAA would wipe Phoenix from existence. Without saying that "Phoenix is a part of TOAA so why would they fight?" That does make you seem like a fanboy because you just can't come out and say that Phoenix would lose without some long explanation about how Phoenix is a part of TOAA, but remember I'm not calling you one so don't take this the wrong way.

Instead of posting long posts about how they would never fight (Phoenix could try to turn against TOAA or something we never know, if we knew the future of comics then they wouldn't sell very well) just admit that she would lose and move on.

Just because Phoenix Force is a small part of TOAA doesn't mean that TOAA has to forever keep it, TOAA could suddenly get the urge for a new "Primal force of creation." It can do anything it's god. [/QUOTE]

Of course TOAA could get rid the the Phoenixforce (PLEASE don't call it "the Phoenix", cause that would be just Jean or another avatar using it's energy!!!) from existence.

BUT, it would be like a human getting rid of his/her blood. No one would deny that the blood is only a part of a human and thus less than a human, but no one would deny either, that a human can't live without blood!

The Phoenixforce is less than TOAA but it's an essential part of him/her...so i have to agree with Galactic Storm...THIS THREAD IS POINTLESS!
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Originally posted by wannabe
21]Originally posted by Madguitarist
[B]Galactic Storm you do come across as a "fanboy" not that I'm calling you one. Just admit that if TOAA were to suddenly want to get rid of (the reason doesn't matter this is a forum where you could find Batman fighting Classic Juggernaut with no reason behind their encounter) it then TOAA would wipe Phoenix from existence. Without saying that "Phoenix is a part of TOAA so why would they fight?" That does make you seem like a fanboy because you just can't come out and say that Phoenix would lose without some long explanation about how Phoenix is a part of TOAA, but remember I'm not calling you one so don't take this the wrong way.

Instead of posting long posts about how they would never fight (Phoenix could try to turn against TOAA or something we never know, if we knew the future of comics then they wouldn't sell very well) just admit that she would lose and move on.

Just because Phoenix Force is a small part of TOAA doesn't mean that TOAA has to forever keep it, TOAA could suddenly get the urge for a new "Primal force of creation." It can do anything it's god.

Of course TOAA could get rid the the Phoenixforce (PLEASE don't call it "the Phoenix", cause that would be just Jean or another avatar using it's energy!!!) from existence.

BUT, it would be like a human getting rid of his/her blood. No one would deny that the blood is only a part of a human and thus less than a human, but no one would deny either, that a human can't live without blood!

The Phoenixforce is less than TOAA but it's an essential part of him/her...so i have to agree with Galactic Storm...THIS THREAD IS POINTLESS!
✅ [/B][/QUOTE]

Thank you wannabe. Intelligent and articulate as always 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Son you've been here 5 mins. You have not debated with me previously you have no prior knowledge of my conduct. You having no knowledge of phoenix made this thread to get at fanboys but you were wrong. If you had been here for a decent amount of time you'd have seen my opinions on the hierachy you would know that i think as should everyone else on this board that TOAA is supreme and that nothing can beat him.

You think it's some kind of honor that you accept TOAA as supreme , I find that extremely funny.

And you still don't get it. Nobody is debating you.

If this thread was Phoenix of the white Crown(Jean Grey) Vs TOAA and the Source then you could have a debate going.

Okay I'll bite then what's your take on this? You think TOAA+The source has a chance of taking down Jean Grey? LOL

But instead you put the Phoenix Force which cant happen. If you read the comics you'd realise how very silly you've made yourself look. The only other person who's arguing along side you is Whirly who funnily enough also hasnt read the appropriate comics or my previous threads. Silly silly 🙄 😮

A lot of people got my point, they just posted once and left. Because debating with a fanboy is a waste of time. As I'm quickly learning.

Originally posted by Richrf
You think it's some kind of honor that you accept TOAA as supreme , I find that extremely funny.

And you still don't get it. Nobody is debating you.

Okay I'll bite then what's your take on this? You think TOAA+The source has a chance of taking down Jean Grey? LOL

😆

A lot of people got my point, they just posted once and left. Because debating with a fanboy is a waste of time. As I'm quickly learning.

Stop trying to cover up your ignorance son. Youve made it all too apparrent. Good try though.

Expand that comic book collection. Just a lil advice. 😱

Originally posted by Richrf
You think it's some kind of honor that you accept TOAA as supreme , I find that extremely funny.

And you still don't get it. Nobody is debating you.

Okay I'll bite then what's your take on this? You think TOAA+The source has a chance of taking down Jean Grey? LOL

😆

A lot of people got my point, they just posted once and left. Because debating with a fanboy is a waste of time. As I'm quickly learning.

And debating could have been over on the first side of this thread, when it was posted that the PF is a part of TOAA and no one denies the supreme status of the latter, though fighting an essential part of one self would be rather stupid!

Ok GS I want you to do one thing for me. You seem to beleive that TOAA is greater than just the phoenix force, so just type out in 1 single message the SINGLE sentance "TOAA can own Pheonix for free"

Just that, nothing else. I dont need you to give me any essay or newsletter about it. I know and understand what you say. But you still has never came out and said it. It should be simple enough for you. If you do it, I shall value your opinions for ever more on the forum. But if you cant, and I dont think you can, then I shall paste your name unto the Tree of Woe and never bother to read any of your posts ever again. I plan on using the free time to build low rent housing.

Originally posted by Onikirimaru
Ok GS I want you to do one thing for me. You seem to beleive that TOAA is greater than just the phoenix force, so just type out in 1 single message the SINGLE sentance "TOAA can own Pheonix for free"

Just that, nothing else. I dont need you to give me any essay or newsletter about it. I know and understand what you say. But you still has never came out and said it. It should be simple enough for you. If you do it, I shall value your opinions for ever more on the forum. But if you cant, and I dont think you can, then I shall paste your name unto the Tree of Woe and never bother to read any of your posts ever again. I plan on using the free time to build low rent housing.

I have already said on a number of occassions in this thread that the Phoenix Force would rank below TOAA as it is just a part of him a fragment which doesnt encompass the whole. Ive never really debated with you before so i find the tone of your post puzzling. I hope youre not one to jump on the bandwagon.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I hope youre not one to jump on the bandwagon.

Originally posted by Onikirimaru
You guys need to brush up on your comics, here let me help you.