Oh ok. Yes, it is entirely possible for me to cut off my own tool of creation and throw it away.
However, you make me ask myself, "What kind of tool do I personally have that can create things?" The answer of course, is within my pants, and I know understand that this premise for a discussion is stupid, since, while I can defintly cut my tool off, I certainly wont.
Are you comparing me to God Creshosk?
I knew what Creshosk was talking about but still if I were God I wouldn't feel pain so it would be funny to do at a party 😆 because I could blink and make it grow back but I'm not God so it would be stupid....and hurt very ****ing badly. TOAA doesn't need Phoenix as his "Tool of Creation" as you said because he did just fine creating Phoenix in the first place didn't he?
Anyway though this is the last post I'm going to put in this thread because I do know that TOAA killing Phoenix would be crazy and this discussion is really pointless. The whole time I've been here I've been saying that TOAA could do away with Phoenix if he had to in an extreme situation but would that likely ever happen? No.
Originally posted by Madguitarist
Are you comparing me to God Creshosk?I knew what Creshosk was talking about but still if I were God I wouldn't feel pain so it would be funny to do at a party 😆 because I could blink and make it grow back but I'm not God so it would be stupid....and hurt very ****ing badly. TOAA doesn't need Phoenix as his "Tool of Creation" as you said because he did just fine creating Phoenix in the first place didn't he?
Seriously guys read New Xmen 154. Phoenix is the avatars. The power comes from the TOAA. The energy bird is just a physical manifeststaion of the avatars powers. Stop seeing it as a seperate thing he created to do a job. The avatars mutation allows them to tap into the power of creation, TOAA's power. The avatars because of their rebirth into higher beings called themselves Phoenixes. TOAA's power was then referred to as the Phoenix force. Now do you lot see the pointlessness of this thread. It just doesnt make sense. TOAA Vs Phoenix then TOAA wins. TOAA Vs Phoenix force makes as much sense as Cyclops Vs His Optic Beams.
Originally posted by Onikirimaru
Ive actually debated with you before, back in Unicron vs Pheonix. Remember "If Pheonix is so powerful, how come she cant turn into a car?" Granted I didnt spend an hour in front of the computer, and that thread got a little old though when everyone's replies got to be about a thousand words long. Needless to say you didnt really convince me, but that was a while back. Anyway, Nothing against Pheonix, or anything, but you seem to be coming off a bit strong on the whole Phoenix angle. I just want you to admit simply that TOAA could just wink Phoenix away if he wanted. You've said it amongst a big jumble of how this fight is so stupid and it could never happen, etc etc. I just want to hear you simply admit to it without going into how I dont like you, or Im jumping on bandwagons or I hate pheonix or PMing me saying everyone really likes you and its all a joke, or telling me how you've convinced people into worshiping Pheonix before. I mean, you seem to beleive that TOAA can do it, but you cant seem to simply state it. I find kinda amusing. If you want I could do some debating, but I dont think you'd really listen. I know I would be hard pressed to listen to someone that cant simply say "God easily Kills Phoenix" without misdirection.
Oni i PMed you to be nice because you came on strong with that post and it bothered me. I didnt want to have a problem with you as it would mean me tearing you apart on future threads. Therefore I asked why you came on here and carried on like that when me and Whirly are cool and have a running joke with Phoenix (he hates her i love and blab about her) and Rich just posted out of ignorance therefore he was excused. So you were basically just jumping on the bandwagon. Please dont see the PM as a sign of weakness it was me trying to be nice and the bigger man instead of just countering what you said in a not so nice way.
From everything I have read online TOAA and The Source are the same being, The Source is above everything physically in the Multiverses, sorta like the meaning The One Above All in Marvel, The Source/TOAA is a very big part of Yahweh, it is Gods Will, The Phoenix Force is the TOAA/The Source aspect or a avatar working for it. The Presence is sometimes called The Ultimate Light/The Holy Spirit, when someone is talking too The Source or The Presence they are indirectly talking to God "Yahweh". another one of Gods aspects is The Word, it is Gods manifestation in the flesh, the very first Archangel aka Jesus Christ. The Great Evil Beast is The Presence only equal and opposite, The Beast represents everything The Presence is not, it is Gods balance. The Beast even went to The Silver City to ask God why he was here, meaning God himself was here before The Beast.
This is how I understand DC/Marvels hierarchy, beings right below Yahweh are, The Presence/The Source/The Beast, The Voice/The Word, Decreator, Lucifer Morningstar, Archangel Michael, The Spectre, The Living Tribunal, Archangel Gabriel. The Phoenix Force.
and umm The Source/TOAA wins easy.
i see some idiots still cant let go of their stupid pheonix obsession. comparing the pheonix to anything even close to TOAA is insanely stupid. pheonix isnt even on par with eternity and has no affiliation with TOAA, its just the representation of desire, passion and all life yet unborn, even the inbetweener is more powerful than it.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i see some idiots still cant let go of their stupid pheonix obsession. comparing the pheonix to anything even close to TOAA is insanely stupid. pheonix isnt even on par with eternity and has no affiliation with TOAA, its just the representation of desire, passion and all life yet unborn, even the inbetweener is more powerful than it.
#1)
The Phoenix is not equal to the Phoenixforce! The Phoenixforce is the omniversal power of creation of TOAA. PLEASE realize that its not a separate conscious being! A Phoenix is a separate being, namely Jean or another avatar using this energy source.
#2)
The so called Phoenixforce is shapeless and was only given this name because of Jeans interpretation of her connection with it (dying and being reborn). Would Iceman have tapped into the force first, it would probably be known as the Frostforce or, well, use your own imagination!
#3)
Since the Phoenixforce is omniversal (New X-Men 154 clearly shows that...just one example) and Eternity "only" represents ONE universe, i highly doubt that he is superior to "gods" power of creation!!! Eternity can be superior to a Phoenix though, IF the Phoenixes "work" and so its connection to the force is limited to Eternitys universe.
#4)
TOAA eliminating his own power of creation and then CREATING a new one would be a paradoxon, wouldn't it?!
Given the case he/her could do it anyway: It would be like eliminating gravity...then creating a force that has exactly the same function...and naming it, well, POKIPSY for example. IT WOULD STILL BE GRAVITY, just renamed...for gods sake!
#5)
Can you people PLEASE stop insulting one another! After all we are only discussing comic fiction...trivia...here!!!
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Originally posted by wannabe
Well, i'm certainly not obsessed with the Phoenix since i prefer X-Men with rather moderate powers (Nightcrawler, Archangel and the likes).
Nonetheless i feel the urge to add another comment to this thread!!!#1)
The Phoenix is not equal to the Phoenixforce! The Phoenixforce is the omniversal power of creation of TOAA. PLEASE realize that its not a separate conscious being! A Phoenix is a separate being, namely Jean or another avatar using this energy source.
#2)
The so called Phoenixforce is shapeless and was only given this name because of Jeans interpretation of her connection with it (dying and being reborn). Would Iceman have tapped into the force first, it would probably be known as the Frostforce or, well, use your own imagination!
#3)
Since the Phoenixforce is omniversal (New X-Men 154 clearly shows that...just one example) and Eternity "only" represents ONE universe, i highly doubt that he is superior to "gods" power of creation!!! Eternity can be superior to a Phoenix though, IF the Phoenixes "work" and so its connection to the force is limited to Eternitys universe.
#4)
TOAA eliminating his own power of creation and then CREATING a new one would be a paradoxon, wouldn't it?!
Given the case he/her could do it anyway: It would be like eliminating gravity...then creating a force that has exactly the same function...and naming it, well, POKIPSY for example. IT WOULD STILL BE GRAVITY, just renamed...for gods sake!
#5)
Can you people PLEASE stop insulting one another! After all we are only discussing comic fiction...trivia...here!!!
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Thank you!! Come on here more often
So True, as I have tried to point out millions of times 🙂
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i see some idiots still cant let go of their stupid pheonix obsession. comparing the pheonix to anything even close to TOAA is insanely stupid. pheonix isnt even on par with eternity and has no affiliation with TOAA, its just the representation of desire, passion and all life yet unborn, even the inbetweener is more powerful than it.
Originally posted by wannabe
1)You are welcome!
Though i have to admit, that i'm not posting to help you, but to spread truth and wisdom (always wanted to say that!). 😄2)No...people around here tend to get rude and impolite too often for my taste! 🙁
🙂 Spread truth and Wisdom, all zealots say this and refuse to accept a reasonable point of view, saying iany view different to there own is rude 🙂
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
🙂 Spread truth and Wisdom, all zealots say this and refuse to accept a reasonable point of view, saying iany view different to there own is rude 🙂
2)I was using irony...that's why i used that grinning smilie!
3)With "rude" i didn't mean expressing another opinion than my own, but INSULTING comments like "Troll", "Idiot", questioning someones ability to read at all, etc.!!!
4)Did i say anything insulting, agressive, immensly dull, outrageous, personally threatening, disgusting or zealous to earn a reaction to my last post like yours?🤨
(honest nonironic question!)