Originally posted by Kinneary
Yes, they tased him five times because he yanked away once.You're a hopeless case. You want to see police brutality because it would make your life exciting or it can make you feel like you're rebelling against the man by pointing out the injustices he's committing. You refuse to see the simple, and albeit much less exciting, truth that what they did was justified. The simple fact that you refuse to follow a simple string of cause and effect is illustrative of the point. You refuse to admit that you don't know enough about what happened and for some reason rely on eyewitness reports when those are the [b]least
reliable forms of evidence.You don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. Shut the hell up about it already. [/B]
Yes, I want to see police brutality, that's why earlier in the thread, in regaurds to another video, I defended the actions of the officers. No, I don't want to see police brutality. But when there's a guy getting tasered lying face down, hand cuffed, not resisting at all, I can't help but see police brutality, because that's exactly what it is. You seem to have absolutely no problem with the cops actions. So it's totally okay for them to taser someone several times, while handcuffed and lying limp on the ground, right?
Like this? -
I'll hold of judgement untill someone releases a full unedited video showing the whole incident, not just what happened once the woman was on the ground.
- BackfireAnd anyone who's trying to claim this video as some kind of viable evidence for anything (other then obvious bias) has no idea what true, valid evidence is.
-BackfireThat's what I see from him. He's just changed his argument 180 degrees from 'You don't know what happened' to 'They used excessive force.' Forgive me if I don't consider him the most consistant person in the world.
Totally different video there, guy. And totally different circumstances. In that video, it was at a rally, where violent outbursts are much more likely. Also eyewitness reports were very inconsistant, as such there was actually no way of knowing what happened prior to the video, nor was it possible to know whether or not the person actually did resist or even attack officers. With this current video, all eyewitnesses say the same thing, they are all consistant with eachother, and the events that occured leading up to the video are clear from these eyewitnesses.
You say eyewitness are the least reliable evidence, that's fine, it's true. However, when every single ****ing one of them say the same exact thing, there's going to be truth there.
Bottom line here is this- You can defend the first taser, when he was standing up, yelling, and pulling away. I already said that if THAT was the only time they tasered him, I wouldn't have nearly the same problem with the incident that I have. However, tasering a guy several times, after he's cuffed, lying on the ground and NOT resisting is inherently wrong. You really don't think so?
Yes, I want to see police brutality, that's why earlier in the thread, in regaurds to another video, I defended the actions of the officers. No, I don't want to see police brutality. But when there's a guy getting tasered lying face down, hand cuffed, not resisting at all, I can't help but see police brutality, because that's exactly what it is. You seem to have absolutely no problem with the cops actions. So it's totally okay for them to taser someone several times, while handcuffed and lying limp on the ground, right?
awwww but the cops (3 of them) couldnt lift some limp skinny hancuffed hippie on their own, so they had the right to tase him, given his lack of cooperation in standing up. what, you want them to pull a muscle in their vaginas?
What threatening gestures? yelling and pulling away because you don't want to be touched?
No, yelling at an officer doesn't make it okay to taser them while they're handcuffed. In fact, nothing short of flailing and kicking WHILE you're handcuffed makes it okay.
Again, him not getting up may directly be attributed to the fact that after getting tasered for 5 seconds, some people become immobile. In which case there's actually nothing he could have done, he physically couldn't stand up. A good way to remedy this? According to you, it would be to taser him again.
*sigh*
A police officer is allowed to taser anyone who they deem is or potentially could be a threat. If they perceived him a threat because he refused to follow their instructions and resisted them, then they are within their rights to taser him. End of story. I'm done with this. All we've been doing for three pages is saying "Uh huh!" "Nuh uh!"
It's pointless. I'm done.
Originally posted by Kinneary
*sigh*A police officer is allowed to taser anyone who they deem is or potentially could be a threat. If they perceived him a threat because he refused to follow their instructions and resisted them, then they are within their rights to taser him. End of story. I'm done with this. All we've been doing for three pages is saying "Uh huh!" "Nuh uh!"
It's pointless. I'm done.
it IS pointless when you ignore the facts that he was handcuffed and only refused to stand up (stayed limp) when they continued to tase him, just so you can feel like you've won the thread. its clearly pointed out in the posted article, yet you (at this point i must say deliberately) ignored it with every retort.
That is grossly incorrect. There has to be an actual reason for their taser. you think cops can just go around tasering anyone who they think might be a threat? No, there has to be something behind it. And lying on the ground, hand cuffed, not resisting certainly doesn't qualify as being threatening.
Originally posted by Kinneary
*sigh*A police officer is allowed to taser anyone who they deem is or potentially could be a threat. If they perceived him a threat because he refused to follow their instructions and resisted them, then they are within their rights to taser him. End of story. I'm done with this. All we've been doing for three pages is saying "Uh huh!" "Nuh uh!"
It's pointless. I'm done.
Originally posted by PVS
no he went limp as they tried to pull him to his feet, as the article clearly points out:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-taser21nov21,0,1459046.story?coll=la-home-headlines"Authorities said Tabatabainejad refused repeated requests to provide identification or to leave. The officers decided to use the Taser to incapacitate Tabatabainejad after he went limp while they were escorting him out and after he urged other library patrons to join his resistance, according to the university's account."
also, notice how he wasnt being placed under arrest, as authorities cleverly avoid alluding to.
Originally posted by PVS
He was not urging other to join him. That's just something the cops are saying to try and justify it. If you watch the video you won't once hear him, from start to finish, try and get anyone to do anything.
And yes, they really 'defused the potential disastrous situation" alright. If anything, they fulfilled the potential and MADE it a disastrous situation.
Regaurdless, you're again ignoring the fact that they tasered him several times while he was handcuffed, lying on the ground, not resisting anything, and completely under their control.
Why do you guys keep dancing around this? Someone brings it up - "They tasered him while he was handcuffed and on the ground". "Well, you don't know what happened before the video started rolling, he yelled and he shouldn't yell at cops!" "That doesn't make it okay to shock someone a bunch of times while they're handcuffed, lying on the ground and not resisting" "but you don't know what happened before!!!". As if it makes a shit of difference.
Like talking to children, it is.
Originally posted by BackFire
He was not urging other to join him. That's just something the cops are saying to try and justify it. If you watch the video you won't once hear him, from start to finish, try and get anyone to do anything.And yes, they really 'defused the potential disastrous situation" alright. If anything, they fulfilled the potential and MADE it a disastrous situation.
Regaurdless, you're again ignoring the fact that they tasered him several times while he was handcuffed, lying on the ground, not resisting anything, and completely under their control.
Why do you guys keep dancing around this? Someone brings it up - "They tasered him while he was handcuffed and on the ground". "Well, you don't know what happened before the video started rolling, he yelled and he shouldn't yell at cops!" "That doesn't make it okay to shock someone a bunch of times while they're handcuffed, lying on the ground and not resisting" "but you don't know what happened before!!!". As if it makes a shit of difference.
Like talking to children, it is.
What he was doing on the ground? He was lying there. Nothing more, he was yelling and angry and in pain, as anyone would be after getting tasered, he was not flailing about, he was not kicking or anything, he was lying there, probably trying to recuperate after getting tasered.
by lying on the ground and not standing, he WAS RESISTING.
This is absolute shit, utter nonsense. It's already been said that getting shocked by a taser for more than a couple of seconds can render someone completely, physically immobile. Causing them to be completely unable to stand up and walk. And since he was tased 5 times in a matter of a few minutes, each time the shock lasting for between 3 to 5 seconds, it certainly is possible, or even probable that this is what happened.
Since people seem to be too dense to comprehend the situation properly, and continue to act as if the cops are absolutely blameless, and that everything they did was totally fine, let's go through the wrongs done by each party, we'll start with the kid.
Here's what the kid did wrong:
Reading something at the library without ID card.
Failed to instantly leave when asked.
Yelled at cops to "not touch him"
Went limp after being tasered for several seconds, was lying on the ground "not getting up" when the cops asked.
Now let's see what the cops did wrong:
Tasered a guy for yelling.
Tasered him again for not standing up immediately AFTER being tasered.
Tasered a guy several times while handcuffed, lying on the ground, and not resisting.
Threatened to taser other students for asking for their information.
Telling a student to "get over there or you'll get tazed too".
Yes, after reviewing the facts, it's obvious that these officers are swell folks, didn't do a thing wrong. Obviously is basic procedure to taser anyone who yells at you, and it's even more acceptable to taser someone while they're handcuffed, under your control, and lying on the ground.