More Police Brutallity With Taser

Originally posted by BackFire
What he was doing on the ground? He was lying there. Nothing more, he was yelling and angry and in pain, as anyone would be after getting tasered, he was not flailing about, he was not kicking or anything, he was lying there, probably trying to recuperate after getting tasered.

This is absolute shit, utter nonsense. It\'s already been said that getting shocked by a taser for more than a couple of seconds can render someone completely, physically immobile. Causing them to be completely unable to stand up and walk. And since he was tased 5 times in a matter of a few minutes, each time the shock lasting for between 3 to 5 seconds, it certainly is possible, or even probable that this is what happened.

Since people seem to be too dense to comprehend the situation properly, and continue to act as if the cops are absolutely blameless, and that everything they did was totally fine, let\'s go through the wrongs done by each party, we\'ll start with the kid.

Here\'s what the kid did wrong:

Reading something at the library without ID card.

Failed to instantly leave when asked.

Yelled at cops to \"not touch him\"

Went limp after being tasered for several seconds, was lying on the ground \"not getting up\" when the cops asked.

Now let\'s see what the cops did wrong:

Tasered a guy for yelling.

Tasered him again for not standing up immediately AFTER being tasered.

Tasered a guy several times while handcuffed, lying on the ground, and not resisting.

Threatened to taser other students for asking for their information.

Telling a student to \"get over there or you\'ll get tazed too\".

Yes, after reviewing the facts, it\'s obvious that these officers are swell folks, didn\'t do a thing wrong. Obviously is basic procedure to taser anyone who yells at you, and it\'s even more acceptable to taser someone while they\'re handcuffed, under your control, and lying on the ground.

Yeah but it\'s only fcking students big tough moderator guy.

Originally posted by BackFire
What he was doing on the ground? He was lying there. Nothing more, he was yelling and angry and in pain, as anyone would be after getting tasered, he was not flailing about, he was not kicking or anything, he was lying there, probably trying to recuperate after getting tasered.

This is absolute shit, utter nonsense. It's already been said that getting shocked by a taser for more than a couple of seconds can render someone completely, physically immobile. Causing them to be completely unable to stand up and walk. And since he was tased 5 times in a matter of a few minutes, each time the shock lasting for between 3 to 5 seconds, it certainly is possible, or even probable that this is what happened.

Since people seem to be too dense to comprehend the situation properly, and continue to act as if the cops are absolutely blameless, and that everything they did was totally fine, let's go through the wrongs done by each party, we'll start with the kid.

Here's what the kid did wrong:

Reading something at the library without ID card.

Failed to instantly leave when asked.

Yelled at cops to "not touch him"

Went limp after being tasered for several seconds, was lying on the ground "not getting up" when the cops asked.

Now let's see what the cops did wrong:

Tasered a guy for yelling.

Tasered him again for not standing up immediately AFTER being tasered.

Tasered a guy several times while handcuffed, lying on the ground, and not resisting.

Threatened to taser other students for asking for their information.

Telling a student to "get over there or you'll get tazed too".

Yes, after reviewing the facts, it's obvious that these officers are swell folks, didn't do a thing wrong. Obviously is basic procedure to taser anyone who yells at you, and it's even more acceptable to taser someone while they're handcuffed, under your control, and lying on the ground.

say all you want to about how much of a victim he is, but the bottom line is this: cops will jack you up if they feel you are a threat to them or to others.

also, if someone is all jacked up on drugs and\or adrenaline, the taser will obviously have less of an effect on them.

He wasn't raising hell though. He was reading something on the computer, didn't have his ID card on him, didn't leave instantly. He was on his way out when the cops arrived. Not because the cops were there, just because that's when he decided to leave. He didn't start yelling until the cop grabbed him.

And again, somehow, you only attempt to explain and justify the first tazing, while pathetically ignoring the other 4 while he was handcuffed and lying on the ground.

he was resisting!!!! they had to tell him numerous times to "get up" and warned several times that they were about to taze him.
you failed to answer my question about if you and i were the cops.

also, the last 4 tazes, he was warned several times to cooperate, but he chose not to do so. its his own dumbass fault he got tazed so many times. i feel no pity for him whatsoever.

"Don't go limp so I can drag you to my cop car! I'm going to taze you 3 times! That way you can go limp again from the pain and I can taze you again for not cooperating!"

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
he was resisting!!!! they had to tell him numerous times to "get up" and warned several times that they were about to taze him.
you failed to answer my question about if you and i were the cops.

also, the last 4 tazes, he was warned several times to cooperate, but he chose not to do so. its his own dumbass fault he got tazed so many times. i feel no pity for him whatsoever.

This is absolute shit, utter nonsense. It's already been said that getting shocked by a taser for more than a couple of seconds can render someone completely, physically immobile. Causing them to be completely unable to stand up and walk. And since he was tased 5 times in a matter of a few minutes, each time the shock lasting for between 3 to 5 seconds, it certainly is possible, or even probable that this is what happened.

Perhaps you should read things that are posted, instead of making up strange theoretical situations that have no relevance to anything.

And again, your knowledge of the law is obviously nonexistant. You can't taser someone simply for not cooperating. They have to be putting the officer or someone else in danger. The kid lying on the ground, hand cuffed, not doing anything at all is not putting anyone in danger. Thus the last four tasers are an utter overstepping of the officers rights.

Originally posted by BackFire

And again, your knowledge of the law is obviously nonexistant. You can't taser someone simply for not cooperating.

You would be surprised.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/tasers_6_yr_old_wielding_glass.htm

You guys are still arguin about this case? Look, there is an investigation going on. Why don't we all wait for more facts to be released before taking sides. I still hold my decision that neither side is right. I also think there is more to just witness accounts and the video itself. Let's just wait for the results of the investigation before continue this case. In the mean time read this article related to the events and also on the use of stunt tasers. I think both sides of the fence will get more details.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/11/22/taser

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
You would be surprised.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/tasers_6_yr_old_wielding_glass.htm

I'm not surprised at all, seeing as the child was in danger of causing actual harm to himself and others, which simply wasn't the case here.

Originally posted by BackFire
I'm not surprised at all, seeing as the child was in danger of causing actual harm to himself and others, which simply wasn't the case here.

A 6 year old with a piece of glass isn't a danger to anyone. The worst that could happen is a cut on your arm or face. Wooo. The 6 year old? One grown man's hand can hold a 6 year old's arms behind his back.

No, the worst that could happen is that it could cut itself in the wrong place, causing massive blood loss or death, or that it throws the piece of glass and it cuts someone else in the wrong place, causing blood loss or death. The situation you describe is simply what probably would happen.

Maybe it's just me...

But why the hell don't they just make lower power phase--err, stun guns that are for use in situations not involving an armed, violent criminal?

Originally posted by BackFire
Perhaps you should read things that are posted, instead of making up strange theoretical situations that have no relevance to anything.

And again, your knowledge of the law is obviously nonexistant. You can't taser someone simply for not cooperating. They have to be putting the officer or someone else in danger. The kid lying on the ground, hand cuffed, not doing anything at all is not putting anyone in danger. Thus the last four tasers are an utter overstepping of the officers rights.

again, we CANNOT SEE WHAT HE IS DOING WHILE HE IS "LYING HELPLESS" on the ground. i have seen first hand what a crazed person can do while in cuffs, and i can tell you that if they are desperate or crazed enough, they can still inflict damage upon themselves or others. you seem to be hung up on the theory that the student is innocent as hell, that the cops should have said "ok, go home now. we wont stop you."
and here we go with the first round of insults, saying that i know nothing about law enforcement. nice, thanx for that.

so i guess these cops were out of line too, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaO0xABdFW8

here is another example of what cops have to put up with.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2487004&page=1

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
nice avoidance of my question. the hypothetical situation is totally relevant, because you have to step into the officers shoes. what would you do?

again, we CANNOT SEE WHAT HE IS DOING WHILE HE IS "LYING HELPLESS" on the ground. i have seen first hand what a crazed person can do while in cuffs, and i can tell you that if they are desperate or crazed enough, they can still inflict damage upon themselves or others. you seem to be hung up on the theory that the student is innocent as hell, that the cops should have said "ok, go home now. we wont stop you."
and here we go with the first round of insults, saying that i know nothing about law enforcement. nice, thanx for that.

The hypothetical question is shit, it's pointless because it has shit to do with the actual situation. My being in their shoes doesn't suddenly make it okay to taser a kid while handcuffed and lying on the ground. Your question was stupid, and it made broken assumptions about the situation that all evidence points to being false, like him "raising hell, and then trying to leave", apparantly, "raising hell" means "sitting on a computer longer than you're supposed to.

But IF I was one of the cops on the scene, no I certainly wouldn't taze him simply for yelling and not wanting to be touched. There are better ways for cops to handle that situation, especially since the kid was initially only in trouble for going on a computer that he wasn't supposed to be on without ID.

And no, I don't think the student is innocent as hell, I've said prior that he was wrong for doing what he did, not leaving, and then yelling was not the right way to handle the situation. Of course, that doesn't excuse the cops actions, they committed the greater wrong. Which is what I've been saying this whole time.

Yes you can see what he is doing. He's lying there. If not, please provide some evidence that supports that he was "crazed" or doing anything remotely threatening, and no, yelling at the cops while lying on the ground handcuffed doesn't count. The video, and ALL eyewitnesses support the fact that he was simply lying there yelling.

I'm not insulting you, you obviously don't know anything about law enforcement procedures if you think it's simply fine for officers to taser anyone they have handcuffed and lying on the ground simply because he's yelling and not standing up instantly when they ask.

So yes, support your position of him being a crazed lunatic, or him doing something threatening somehow while handcuffed.

Originally posted by BackFire
The hypothetical question is shit, it's pointless because it has shit to do with the actual situation. My being in their shoes doesn't suddenly make it okay to taser a kid while handcuffed and lying on the ground. Your question was stupid, and it made broken assumptions about the situation that all evidence points to being false, like him "raising hell, and then trying to leave", apparantly, "raising hell" means "sitting on a computer longer than you're supposed to.

But IF I was one of the cops on the scene, no I certainly wouldn't taze him simply for yelling and not wanting to be touched. There are better ways for cops to handle that situation, especially since the kid was initially only in trouble for going on a computer that he wasn't supposed to be on without ID.

And no, I don't think the student is innocent as hell, I've said prior that he was wrong for doing what he did, not leaving, and then yelling was not the right way to handle the situation. Of course, that doesn't excuse the cops actions, they committed the greater wrong. Which is what I've been saying this whole time.

Yes you can see what he is doing. He's lying there. If not, please provide some evidence that supports that he was "crazed" or doing anything remotely threatening, and no, yelling at the cops while lying on the ground handcuffed doesn't count. The video, and ALL eyewitnesses support the fact that he was simply lying there yelling.

I'm not insulting you, you obviously don't know anything about law enforcement procedures if you think it's simply fine for officers to taser anyone they have handcuffed and lying on the ground simply because he's yelling and not standing up instantly when they ask.

So yes, support your position of him being a crazed lunatic, or him doing something threatening somehow while handcuffed.

yet another example of why cops are cautious as hell.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKmQFu8xiTM

if that didnt convince you that cops have to be overly cautious, then this should.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baix0Xa9x3o

i am posting these clips to show everyone here what cops go through every day. if you had this job, wouldnt you take every precaution necessary?
i know somehow someone here will turn the tables on me and use these videos against me.