Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Alright, it's that time again. Round three here at the DVT (Decent Versus Thread)...This will be a four part challenge, time based. We're going off of the time advantages decided upon for round two (Which I'll post on later here... just trying to get this round out for now).
The first part of the challenge is one of skill. Armed with only a crude spear, the combatants must stalk and kill a krayt dragon, stealing the precious pearl it carries. The setting is of course the Tattooine desert. Remember, time is of the essence.
The second part is one of perception. There is an opera at the Coruscanti amphitheatre one night. Easily twenty thousand people or more are in attendance, whether in the show or lounging in the bar downstairs. One of them is a shapeshifting Force user, masking their presence using a special technique (As both Dooku, Sidious, and Assajj have done before) This shapeshifter is really an assassin, seeking to hide in the crowd and escape from its recent crime. The goal of the players in their quest is to locate and apprehend (Not kill, though maiming may be required) the individual, and escort them away without drawing too much notice (Something like freezing everyone and scanning their minds is out of the question.) The players are armed with small vibroblades, sized like in KOTOR.
The third part is a challenge of duration. Each player is isolated of course, facing similar circumstances. In this part, each is dropped into a fortificated hilltop that is under siege by Clone Troopers. The player is armed with a blaster pistol (heavy), though he is entitled to anything he can scavenge. Note that Yoda is rather small to be using something like a high powered blaster rifle, btw. The defenders are ewoks. Yes. Those things. And they have primitive works. The defender (Remember each is in his own scenario. Assuming they have made good time, they will have this amount of time to prepare)
1st place- An hour
2nd place- Half hour
3rd place- fifteen minutes
4th place- two minutes.The objective is to stay alive until the siege stops, at which point stage four begins.
And here's the fun part: the player must hop into a jedi starfighter and navigate through a trecherous asteroid field while chasing and trying to destroy Anakin Skywalker in a TIE fighter.
Seriously, I'm NOT trying to kill anyone off... lol..
And remember: ONe man out at the end of this. Who would make the worst time (Or even die, as in the duration round?)
Revan
1. Ok for the first challenge he should not have much of a problem with the dragon, he could use his amazing force powers, it should be fast enough.
2. Revan is very intelligent and i am sure he has plenty of powers that could help in find out where the crook is, if anyone can do it, i am sure revan can. It could take some time though.
3. Revan is very powerful i am sure and an expert tactiction he would excell at this, he will do this pretty fast.
4. Fourth challenge...he flys very well he should be able to do this, of course it might take a little bit of a time, since anakin is a very good flyer.
Obi-Wan(Very lucky guy here lol)
1. Now it could be challenging for obi-wan he doesnt have the kind of devastating the powers that the sith have, so without a saber this will take longer than Revan would.
2. Second challenge? Obi-Wan is good at finding people, like he did in the beginning of the aotc(the cantina) this will be more changeling but i am sure obi-wan will pull through
3. Obi-Wan hes a good General he could do it, not as fast as Revan though.
4. Fourth Challenge? Obi-Wan is a good pilot, he will succeed in the end but Anakin is an awesome pilot so it would take longer than it would take Revan probably
Exar Kun
1. First Challenge? Kun pwns the dragon even faster than Revan did.
2. Second Challenge? Kun would lose alot of time here, kun's aggressiveness would not be much use here, but he might eventually find the crook.
3. Third Challenge? Kun is no tactiction so i am not sure, but he will probably survive since he is very formidable. I doubt troopers can kill him.
4. Fourth Challenge? Even if he is a decent flyer, it would take considerable skill to do this, Kun doesnt strike me as a good a pilot as Obi and Revan. But maybe he can do this.
Yoda
1. First Challenge? Yoda would have a little with no saber, and having to hold a heavy spear. But he could always just throw the spear using the force at the Dragon. I think if Yoda uses the force he will kill the dragon before obi at least
2. Second Challenge? Yoda is very intelligent, he will probably be able to this, Just under Revan i think. Yoda is very wise, Wiser than Kenobi. But maybe not as wise as Revan.
3. Third Challenge? Yoda was a general in the fight for kashyyk i am sure he can do this. Probably just under Revan.
4. Fourth Challenge? Yoda's piloting skills were never mentioned. But with his mastery over the force theres no reason why he couldnt do it. His force abilities allow him to over come all his weakness: Old Age, Small Height, Short Arms, etc.
My Lineup
1st Place: Revan
2nd Place: Yoda
3rd Place: Obi-Wan
4th Place: Kun (he did the worst in 3 of the challenges, and best in only 1st one)
Well...I'll try to go through this by the challenges:
Krayt Dragon:
This challenge is most likely a test of fighting skills and force powers. For overall ability I have to say:
1. Exar Kun
2. Revan
3. Yoda
4. Obi-Wan
Since time does matter here I assume that they all might do that in an equal amount of time. It takes some time to kill a Krayt dragon. While Kun might have some advantage here (Sith magic - freezing) and Revan might just toast it, Yoda won't be that far behind while Obi-Wan might take some longer time to do so.
Amphitheatre:
Since the technique seems to be a Sith technique I'll give Revan and Exar a little advantage here since they both know Sith techniques. On the other handside Yoda has many knowledge about Sith techniques (as far as we know) and Obi-Wan has a great connection to the force when it comes to the "living force". I think they all will make it in the following ranking:
1. Revan (being intelligent and a Sith)
2. Yoda (being wise and knowing some force - also Sith - techniques)
3. Exar Kun (not a dumbass and also a Sith - and he used the same thing on Ossus I guess)
4. Obi-Wan who might need much more time than Revan and Yoda at least.
Fortificated hilltop:
Revan is a tactical genious and in this case he would have one hour of time to prepare. Yoda with half an hour to prepare might also be quite good since he was a general in the clone wars and not a bad one. We know that Exar Kun was able to keep the entire Republic fleet busy with Sith magic only when they attacked Yavin 4 so he might be able to stop the clones on his own. Obi-Wan was also a general in the clone wars but he's lacking Yodas wisdom and force powers so he has to rely on his sniper skills with only 2 minutes of preparation. So:
1. Revan
2. Exar Kun
3. Yoda
4. Obi-Wan
Killing Anakin:
Now that is really hard. Personally I think Anakin would defeat them all in starfighter combat as he is the best pilot we know about. But for the sake of an argument:
1.Revan (racing champion and has some training)
2.Yoda (by relying on the force)
3.Obi-Wan (knows Anakin inside out and is quite a good pilot)
4.Exar (never heared something about his piloting skills)
So...my overall result being:
1. Revan (without a doubt)
2. Exar Kun
3. Yoda (close to Exar)
4. Obi-Wan (out)
Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Alright, it's that time again. Round three here at the DVT (Decent Versus Thread)...This will be a four part challenge, time based. We're going off of the time advantages decided upon for round two (Which I'll post on later here... just trying to get this round out for now).
The first part of the challenge is one of skill. Armed with only a crude spear, the combatants must stalk and kill a krayt dragon, stealing the precious pearl it carries. The setting is of course the Tattooine desert. Remember, time is of the essence.
The second part is one of perception. There is an opera at the Coruscanti amphitheatre one night. Easily twenty thousand people or more are in attendance, whether in the show or lounging in the bar downstairs. One of them is a shapeshifting Force user, masking their presence using a special technique (As both Dooku, Sidious, and Assajj have done before) This shapeshifter is really an assassin, seeking to hide in the crowd and escape from its recent crime. The goal of the players in their quest is to locate and apprehend (Not kill, though maiming may be required) the individual, and escort them away without drawing too much notice (Something like freezing everyone and scanning their minds is out of the question.) The players are armed with small vibroblades, sized like in KOTOR.
The third part is a challenge of duration. Each player is isolated of course, facing similar circumstances. In this part, each is dropped into a fortificated hilltop that is under siege by Clone Troopers. The player is armed with a blaster pistol (heavy), though he is entitled to anything he can scavenge. Note that Yoda is rather small to be using something like a high powered blaster rifle, btw. The defenders are ewoks. Yes. Those things. And they have primitive works. The defender (Remember each is in his own scenario. Assuming they have made good time, they will have this amount of time to prepare)
1st place- An hour
2nd place- Half hour
3rd place- fifteen minutes
4th place- two minutes.The objective is to stay alive until the siege stops, at which point stage four begins.
And here's the fun part: the player must hop into a jedi starfighter and navigate through a trecherous asteroid field while chasing and trying to destroy Anakin Skywalker in a TIE fighter.
Seriously, I'm NOT trying to kill anyone off... lol..
And remember: ONe man out at the end of this. Who would make the worst time (Or even die, as in the duration round?)
Task One
I highly doubt that anyone here's going to be killing this thing all that fast. I'd give Exar Kun the lead, however, for with his Freeze technique, he could at least slow the beast down enough to land a killing blow with a Force-guided spear. Although I'm sure that, given a couple of minutes, he could crush its organs. Any way you put it, Kun devastates the competition here.
Second place I'd give to either Yoda or Revan, likely the former. While Revan is considerably powerful, and is capable of felling the beast through a few minutes of careful concentration, I believe Yoda's size would assist him tremendously here. He could simply clamber up the Krayt with those stupendously useful claws of his, while holding the spear aloft with the Force. Following, a well-placed, Force-enhanced thrust from an invisible hand could likely end the creature's life. And as said, third place I'd give to Revan, although it would be extremely close, even debatable.
Obi-Wan, the lucky bastard, is no longer so lucky, although I doubt he'll do bad. As has been said, he has a nearly unparalleled connection to the living Force, its creatures. It would be hard on his heart, but I do believe he could bring the creature down with some carefully placed blow or another.
Places:
1) Exar Kun
2) Master Yoda
3) Darth Revan
4) Master Kenobi
Task Two
Interesting. . . However I believe my opinion will differ dramatically from those of others.
The technique you speak of is the Quey'tek technique, used by Assaj Ventress to goad Kenobi in the Cestus Deception, and in Labyrinth of evil, utilized y Count Dooku. Sidious, of course, maintains this throughout his facade as Palpatine, up until his true emergence of Darth Sidious. . . just some background info. Sorry if I went a little too in-depth.
Anyways, the places.
First place I'd have to give to Master Kenobi. Although evaded by it in the Bio-Droid Crisis (Cestus Deception, the ballroom on Cestus), Obi-Wan evolves to the point where he can sense even Count Dooku (Labyrinth of Evil, the hunt on Tythe). He has also proved himself to be nearly unsurpassed in traversing through large groups (ATOC, various points in the Clone Wars). Anyways, He'd take this one. Combine an evolving perception and the ability to see through a Sith Lord's guise with a background full of such situations, and you have a winner.
Second place I'd have to give, again, to either Yoda or Revan. Revan would be the one I'd be more inclined to support here, seeing as how he is the ancient Sith Lord here, and probably has experienced such techniques before. The only reason I don't give him first is because Kenobi's proven to possess a fine defense against such techniques, something that I haven't yet seen from Revan.
Yoda comes close behind, although I don't really know how or why he does well here. His small size might hamper him here, although I doubt that it'll prevent his placing here.
And lastly, Kun comes out in fourth. The thing is, he is somewhat of a hot-heaad. Chances are he'll simply bring down the entire thing in frustration. This may sound like a long shot, but hell.
Places:
1) Master Kenobi
2) Darth Revan
3) Master Yoda
4) Exar Kun
Task Three
This is the hard one. . .
Revan and Obi-Wan are both tactical geniuses, while Yoda and Exar Kun are powerhouses who could arguably devastate the attackers themselves.
I'm going to give Darth Revan the first here. Tactical genius surpassing even General Kenobi and power rivaling that of Yoda? Pshh. This is where he excels.
Yoda takes second place. He's no shabby general himself, having led troops on the forefront many a time during the Clone Wars.He's had multiple dealings with fur-balls as well. Not to mention he's probably capable of killing of most of the clones himself, despite the fact that a heavy blaster would probably size up like a Merr-Sonn Launcher to him. . .
Third place goes to Kun. Without a doubt the ultimate powerhouse here, he'd annihilate the clones. He'd probably use the Ewoks as shields, using the Force to hold them a aloft in front of him to take the bolts while crushing the clones from afar. And he'd eat the Ewoks fried, too.
Fourth, unfortunately, goes to Obi-Wan. Even his greatly increased time here won't give him enough of a boost to out-perform the sheer power of Yoda and Exar, and even Revan. Plus, the latter's tactical skills surpass Obi-Wan's as well. This isn't a good Task for him.
Places:
1) Darth Revan
2) Master Yoda
3) Exar Kun
4) Master Kenobi
Task Four
This is all but impossible without the use of Force powers here. I can't think of someone who could outfly Anakin. Luke, posssibly, but it's a long shot.
First place goes to Kun. He may not be a great pilot when compared to Obi-Wan and Revan, but his Force abilities would enable him to just blast aside the asteroids, clearing a path to Anakin, one from which he could bombard his quarry with laser cannons, proton torpedoes, and environmental debris.
Second goes to Revan. He's obviously a good pilot as well, probably on par, maybe superior, to Kenobi. His Force mastery would aslo help him here; being able to maneuver his ship through the asteroid field while using the Force to jam Anakin's systems would help a great deal.
Third place I give to Obi-Wan. He's skilled enough as a pilot to hang with Anakin, not to mention he knows his tactics and maneuvers like they're his own.
Yoda emerges from this challenge in fourth. It'd probably be somewhat difficult to fly a starfighter when you have to stand up to reaach to control systems. His Force abilities might help him here, but still, he's gonna have a hell of a time, as are the others. This is after all, Anakin Skywalker.
Places:
1) Exar Kun
2) Darth Revan
3) Master Kenobi
4) Master Yoda
Total:
Exar Kun- 1, 4, 3, 1
Darth Revan- 3, 2, 1, 2
Master Kenobi- 4, 1, 4, 3
Master Yoda- 2, 3, 2, 4
So, the overall placing is:
1) Darth Revan
2) Exar Kun
3) Master Yoda
4) Master Kenobi
Obi-Wan's lasted long enough, getting through everything so far. But he's toast here.
Vote of Ejection- Master Kenobi
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
[B]Task OneI highly doubt that anyone here's going to be killing this thing all that fast. I'd give Exar Kun the lead, however, for with his Freeze technique, he could at least slow the beast down enough to land a killing blow with a Force-guided spear. Although I'm sure that, given a couple of minutes, he could crush its organs. Any way you put it, Kun devastates the competition here.
Second place I'd give to either Yoda or Revan, likely the former. While Revan is considerably powerful, and is capable of felling the beast through a few minutes of careful concentration, I believe Yoda's size would assist him tremendously here. He could simply clamber up the Krayt with those stupendously useful claws of his, while holding the spear aloft with the Force. Following, a well-placed, Force-enhanced thrust from an invisible hand could likely end the creature's life. And as said, third place I'd give to Revan, although it would be extremely close, even debatable.
Obi-Wan, the lucky bastard, is no longer so lucky, although I doubt he'll do bad. As has been said, he has a nearly unparalleled connection to the living Force, its creatures. It would be hard on his heart, but I do believe he could bring the creature down with some carefully placed blow or another.
Places:
1) Exar Kun
2) Master Yoda
3) Darth Revan
4) Master KenobiTask Two
Interesting. . . However I believe my opinion will differ dramatically from those of others.
The technique you speak of is the Quey'tek technique, used by Assaj Ventress to goad Kenobi in the Cestus Deception, and in Labyrinth of evil, utilized y Count Dooku. Sidious, of course, maintains this throughout his facade as Palpatine, up until his true emergence of Darth Sidious. . . just some background info. Sorry if I went a little too in-depth.
Anyways, the places.
First place I'd have to give to Master Kenobi. Although evaded by it in the Bio-Droid Crisis (Cestus Deception, the ballroom on Cestus), Obi-Wan evolves to the point where he can sense even Count Dooku (Labyrinth of Evil, the hunt on Tythe). He has also proved himself to be nearly unsurpassed in traversing through large groups (ATOC, various points in the Clone Wars). Anyways, He'd take this one. Combine an evolving perception and the ability to see through a Sith Lord's guise with a background full of such situations, and you have a winner.
Second place I'd have to give, again, to either Yoda or Revan. Revan would be the one I'd be more inclined to support here, seeing as how he is the ancient Sith Lord here, and probably has experienced such techniques before. The only reason I don't give him first is because Kenobi's proven to possess a fine defense against such techniques, something that I haven't yet seen from Revan.
Yoda comes close behind, although I don't really know how or why he does well here. His small size might hamper him here, although I doubt that it'll prevent his placing here.
And lastly, Kun comes out in fourth. The thing is, he is somewhat of a hot-heaad. Chances are he'll simply bring down the entire thing in frustration. This may sound like a long shot, but hell.
Places:
1) Master Kenobi
2) Darth Revan
3) Master Yoda
4) Exar KunTask Three
This is the hard one. . .
Revan and Obi-Wan are both tactical geniuses, while Yoda and Exar Kun are powerhouses who could arguably devastate the attackers themselves.
I'm going to give Darth Revan the first here. Tactical genius surpassing even General Kenobi and power rivaling that of Yoda? Pshh. This is where he excels.
Yoda takes second place. He's no shabby general himself, having led troops on the forefront many a time during the Clone Wars.He's had multiple dealings with fur-balls as well. Not to mention he's probably capable of killing of most of the clones himself, despite the fact that a heavy blaster would probably size up like a Merr-Sonn Launcher to him. . .
Third place goes to Kun. Without a doubt the ultimate powerhouse here, he'd annihilate the clones. He'd probably use the Ewoks as shields, using the Force to hold them a aloft in front of him to take the bolts while crushing the clones from afar. And he'd eat the Ewoks fried, too.
Fourth, unfortunately, goes to Obi-Wan. Even his greatly increased time here won't give him enough of a boost to out-perform the sheer power of Yoda and Exar, and even Revan. Plus, the latter's tactical skills surpass Obi-Wan's as well. This isn't a good Task for him.
Places:
1) Darth Revan
2) Master Yoda
3) Exar Kun
4) Master KenobiTask Four
This is all but impossible without the use of Force powers here. I can't think of someone who could outfly Anakin. Luke, posssibly, but it's a long shot.
First place goes to Kun. He may not be a great pilot when compared to Obi-Wan and Revan, but his Force abilities would enable him to just blast aside the asteroids, clearing a path to Anakin, one from which he could bombard his quarry with laser cannons, proton torpedoes, and environmental debris.
Second goes to Revan. He's obviously a good pilot as well, probably on par, maybe superior, to Kenobi. His Force mastery would aslo help him here; being able to maneuver his ship through the asteroid field while using the Force to jam Anakin's systems would help a great deal.
Third place I give to Obi-Wan. He's skilled enough as a pilot to hang with Anakin, not to mention he knows his tactics and maneuvers like they're his own.
Yoda emerges from this challenge in fourth. It'd probably be somewhat difficult to fly a starfighter when you have to stand up to reaach to control systems. His Force abilities might help him here, but still, he's gonna have a hell of a time, as are the others. This is after all, Anakin Skywalker.
Places:
1) Exar Kun
2) Darth Revan
3) Master Kenobi
4) Master YodaTotal:
Exar Kun- 1, 4, 3, 1
Darth Revan- 3, 2, 1, 2
Master Kenobi- 4, 1, 4, 3
Master Yoda- 2, 3, 2, 4
So, the overall placing is:
1) Darth Revan
2) Exar Kun
3) Master Yoda
4) Master KenobiObi-Wan's lasted long enough, getting through everything so far. But he's toast here.
Vote of Ejection- Master Kenobi [/B]
Faunus, well done. You touched on some points I was hoping people would. For one, you knew of the technique specifically, and you recalled it better than I did (I had forgotten the name)
Also, you were inventive with the last challenge, and you did the honor of tallying up, which is always good. Overall, I was impressed with your rendition in its creativity.
And you and Nai are right; perhaps Skywalker is way too good for these guys... But this round was rather hasty slapped together while at work and operating under bad mental conditions (Like lack of sleep or a good lunch). SO feel free to take liberties to ensure that at least three pass this challenge. It's getting close, guys. DVT 1.0 is moving into round four starting tomorrow. I will probably post the actual challenge tomorrow before 5 Pm eastern, but the actual time out for this round won't be until 7 or 8 pm proper, that night.
And I'd like to thank everyone who has participated thus far (And not given up) I promise you the second installment will be better balanced and more thought out. I didn't think this would actually go anywhere, to be honest.
Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Faunus, well done. You touched on some points I was hoping people would. For one, you knew of the technique specifically, and you recalled it better than I did (I had forgotten the name)Also, you were inventive with the last challenge, and you did the honor of tallying up, which is always good. Overall, I was impressed with your rendition in its creativity.
And you and Nai are right; perhaps Skywalker is way too good for these guys... But this round was rather hasty slapped together while at work and operating under bad mental conditions (Like lack of sleep or a good lunch). SO feel free to take liberties to ensure that at least three pass this challenge. It's getting close, guys. DVT 1.0 is moving into round four starting tomorrow. I will probably post the actual challenge tomorrow before 5 Pm eastern, but the actual time out for this round won't be until 7 or 8 pm proper, that night.
And I'd like to thank everyone who has participated thus far (And not given up) I promise you the second installment will be better balanced and more thought out. I didn't think this would actually go anywhere, to be honest.
Tsk. Kidding me? With all the crap going arpund here right now, this thread is sacreligious.
*A great light shines from above, and a tremendous beep is heard*
Lord Artoo deems this thread sacred!!
I look forward to Round Four.
Originally posted by Illustrious
The round is interesting in that it puts a lot of emphasis on intrinsic abilities as much as Jedi training. I bet you that there are non-force sensitives that could do just as well as any of the force users in 2 or 3 and perhaps 4.
Which was the original plan, since I didn't want this to be a saberfest. The emphasis is on individual strengths. I kinda want DVt 2 to focus even less on Force related issues and more on problem solving and endurance, thus giving people like Boba and Han a chance.
Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Which was the original plan, since I didn't want this to be a saberfest. The emphasis is on individual strengths. I kinda want DVt 2 to focus even less on Force related issues and more on problem solving and endurance, thus giving people like Boba and Han a chance.
Yeah, but it also throws wrenches into people like Yoda or Kun.
Actually, for Kun it's debatable. He may be able to simply intimidate the con out in challenge number 2, just like how he converted many Jedis through similar methods.
Though you're right, having challenges like these do keep it from a saberfest, even if it does make it predictable that Revan would win 😛.