Originally posted by Bardock42
I think Sufjan Stevens, Joanna Newsom, Iron and Wine, The Nightwatchmen, Oingo Boingo, Godspeed You Black Emperor and The Brian Jonestown Massacre are way overrated.
hahaha and don't forget The Velvet Underground.
Originally posted by Captain Maynard
Disagree.
with both bands or just Tool?
They're over-appreciated by some people. I appreciate them immensely because of how much I like them, but I don't act like they're the best thing ever. I give them praise they deserve. There are musicians I put above Tool without hesitation, and artists I like more. 2D thinks they are overrated simply because people say things like you need to "get" them to understand why people think they're so special, which isn't an untrue claim, as my analogy proved. I also think he's correct in that some people undoubtedly just like the idea of being a "Tool fan.", but that's not everyone, and their idiocy does not render certain claims false.
I find it odd how certain people say Tool and Radiohead are overrated but never mention The Beatles, a band who wrote nothing more than simple (And great.), easy to "get" songs. Coincidence? Possibly...
People are calling these bands overrated because they have fiercely dedicated fanbases, that's not a reason to call them overrated, in my opinion. You could say the same for any artist like that, and it depends on how exposed you are to said "fandom". If you lived here you'd not say Tool, because they're not even well known. If you hanged around the guy on this forum who says "Prince" for everything, chances are you might come away being a bit biased against the man's music, over-exposure etc. The same applies to Tool fanaticism. It doesn't mean he's overrating Prince, it means he's over-exposing you to his appreciation. There's a massive difference.
Bardock played The Arcade Fire's two albums back to back for about an eon, and barely went a moment without referencing them here. I don't think that's overrating, I think that's over-appreciating. Cos he wasn't making claims that were mass applicable, he was making subjective claims about his own taste. "I love this band, they're amazing. *Listens and references 900 times*." or whatever, Vs "They are the best band on Earth.". One is over-appreciation, the other is overrating.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They're overappreciated by some people. I appreciate them immensely because of how much I like them, but I don't act like they're the best thing ever. I give them praise they deserve. There are musicians I put above Tool without hesitation, and artists I like more.I find it odd how certain people say Tool and Radiohead are overrated but never mention The Beatles, a band who wrote nothing more than simple (And great.), easy to "get" songs. Coincidence? Possibly...
People are calling these bands overrated because they have fiercely dedicated fanbases, that's not a reason to call them overrated, in my opinion. You could say the same for any artist like that, and it depends on how exposed you are to said "fandom". If you lived here you'd not say Tool, because they're not even well known.
-AC
No, you still have my reasoning wrong. After all that ,you're still trying to put words in my mouth (if when you say 'people', you mean me). Tool is well known, by the way. But hey its your opinion right?
And no, I do not think that the Beatles are overrated. True, their music was simple, nothing that great. But as a whole they changed rock and Roll and most music in the 20th century. Over rated as musicians, yes. Overrated in their influence, hell no.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
No, you still have my reasoning wrong. After all that ,you're still trying to put words in my mouth (if when you say 'people', you mean me).
Talk about arrogance. I may be your main focus on this forum, but you are not mine. I said "People.", I mean "People.". If this INCLUDES you, so be it.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Tool is well known, by the way. But hey its your opinion right?
Do you live in America? Yes? Then be quiet. I was referring to England, where, in comparison, they are not well known. They're never on TV, the charts or the radio here. They're not a well known band here compared to there.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
And no, I do not think that the Beatles are overrated. True, their music was simple, nothing that great. But as a whole they changed rock and Roll and most music in the 20th century. Over rated as musicians, yes. Overrated in their influence, hell no.
Point proven. Too scared to go against The Beatles, but because Tool are Tool, it's ok. Just like everyone else, literally shitting yourself to the point of never questioning The Beatles.
The Beatles, whilst massively influential, are a name to drop. Like Zeppelin or Floyd. If you could somehow show the amount of people ACTUAL influenced Vs those who just like the band and SAY they were influenced for credibility, I think you'd realise what I'm on about.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriThe Beatles, whilst massively influential, are a name to drop. Like Zeppelin or Floyd. If you could somehow show the amount of people ACTUAL influenced Vs those who just like the band and SAY they were influenced for credibility, I think you'd realise what I'm on about.
-AC
You just agreed with me "The Beatles, whilst massively influential". That's all I said, dude, it's ok.
Yes, massively influential, but they're not simply rated as massively influential, they are rated as some kind of deities on Earth who influenced unborn children and unformed bands.
Hence they are overrated. They are given more credit than they deserve, to the point that it's disgusting. The Beatles "fans" are far worse than any Tool fan gracing this planet.
-AC
Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, well, overrated then in the sense it is meant here then.
The person who created this thread didn’t specify in what manner the term 'overrated' applies to. Did you created the thread. If VVD came in here and said ' I meant overrated as musicians', then that would narrow down the selection, yes?
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
The person who created this thread didn’t specify in what manner the term 'overrated' applies to. Did you created the thread. If VVD came in here and said ' I meant overrated as musicians', then that would narrow down the selection, yes?
Okay, I will get him do that then.
Originally posted by vanice
It's hard to overate The Beatles.
It isn't, is it?
"The best band ever, no band will ever come close.", "They were the first to do everything in modern music.", "They innovated everything."...etc. The amount of false attributes goes on and on, although the first one is subjective.
Not to mention they are constantly credited with inventing the concept album, and they didn't.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, massively influential, but they're not simply rated as massively influential, they are rated as some kind of deities on Earth who influenced unborn children and unformed bands.Hence they are overrated. They are given more credit than they deserve, to the point that it's disgusting. The Beatles "fans" are far worse than any Tool fan gracing this planet.
-AC
Well some people take it to the extreme, outliars. Those people exist with any bands, like you've said before. Who would consider the Beatles devine? Not many people. They, those assholes, usually work for music magazines and don't know the first thing about music. They call the beatles 'gods', then turn around and give the new Justin Timberlake album rave reviews.
So therefore they are overrated, even in their influence. I will not take away credit that they were and ARE massively influential, but people GENERALLY go overboard because they think they simply cannot go against The Beatles. Tool, due to not being as well known as The Beatles or many bands as a worldwide phenomenon, aren't afforded that, and they also aren't as accessible, so it won't ever happen.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So therefore they are overrated, even in their influence. I will not take away credit that they were and ARE massively influential, but people GENERALLY go overboard because they think they simply cannot go against The Beatles. Tool, due to not being as well known as The Beatles or many bands as a worldwide phenomenon, aren't afforded that, and they also aren't as accessible, so it won't ever happen.-AC
You repeat your 'reason' as 'FACT' all you want ,kid.
I will keep to my opinions :
Tool-OVERRATED.
Radiohead- OVERRATED.