Uncanny X-Men vs. the Fantastic Four

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Johnny can't go nova right at the start though. It would take him too long and he would be attacked before he had the chance.
This team of X-Men can win because they have Rachel and Psylocke.

Um how long does it take him to go Nova? please give me an example of a comic book u say where he needed time to go Nova? Devos even said himself, when the Torch went Nova on him, Paibok and Lyja when they jumped him, that Torch's temperature was climbing at an exponential and critical rate. Once he's going Nova he's too hot for any of the X-men to do jack...and if they dont teleport away then their all getting turned to dust.

Wynndar no offence (to stormfront either) but your starting to sound a bit stormfrontish. The FF do this and that and that while the X-Men just stand there etc.
Emma isn't even in this fight.
Rachel Summers is a more powerful telepath and is an incredibly powerful telekinetic who manipulates matter on a molecular/atomic scale. Lately Rachel's been giving Psylocke props for having the power but teasing her for not having the fine motor control - which leads me to think Psylocke is a more powerful TK than even Rachel.

Is this supernova/nova thing even within CIS?
Or the brainbubbles?

Nova happens when the torch is either overloaded with energy or he is seriously outmatched. Sorry if I sounded stormfrontish. But I did bring up the fact that IW has already proved that she is faster than Emma. I also may have forgotten Rachel was in this fight, she is one bad girl. I'm the FF fanboy of the forum though, so im always going to argue in their favor...unless its just plain to see that they'd lose (not the case).

Can't hate a fanboy if they sound legit, you know your stuff...
Thats a relief...

Originally posted by Wynndar
Nova happens when the torch is either overloaded with energy or he is seriously outmatched. Sorry if I sounded stormfrontish. But I did bring up the fact that IW has already proved that she is faster than Emma. I also may have forgotten Rachel was in this fight, she is one bad girl. I'm the FF fanboy of the forum though, so im always going to argue in their favor...unless its just plain to see that they'd lose (not the case).

Yes, Sue was faster than Emma in X4 because Emma was telling Sue about what she was going to do to her, before she was doing it!!! Really hard to be faster when you get a warning...

It's good you speak in the FF's favour, otherwise this thread would be only half the fun! Hard to debate with someone who already agrees with you...

After all it comes down to this...i think:
1)The Kenyan Goddes can handle Torch. They both have a comparable destructive power potential, but Ms.Munroe is the far better and more disciplined fighter.

2)Reed's and Ben's powers are too...well...basic to give the FF an edge in this fight.

3)The big ace of the FF is Sue. She can easily squash the X-Mens heads and shield the FF from attacks, BUT so can the TWO tk-psis, and the teleporter of the X-Men can bypass Sue's shielding.

The FF could win...with MUCH luck! Otherwise the odds are crystal-clearly in Ororo's team's favour...even if it would be just the Weatherwitch, Rachel, Betsy and Kurt!

Originally posted by Wynndar
And the FF dont brawl? How many times have they fought the frightful four, or teams assembled by Doom? Or Skrulls? Or heralds? How many brawls do the Individual FF memebers get into? Thing Brawls the Hulk, Terrax, Occulus, Wrecker, Devos, Paibok, Blackbolt, Namor, etc. None of the X-Men r packing that kind of power. Reed brawls Doom, Namor, Crucible, Superior to X-Men too. The Torch fought Paibok, Devos, and Lyja all at the same time and went Nova on them and they were running for the hills. That is more power than that whole X-team is working with. I dont even have to talk about IW cuz she can already beat the X-Men on her own...she's already prved to be faster than Emma and she is waaaaaay more powerful. Capable of killing that whole team instantly. Reed is the bets leader in Marvel second only to Cap and Cap still has to defer to Reed concerning strategy involving opponents on the Cosmic or super technological scale.

And to the rest of your posting i say:
Magneto, Apocalypse, Sinister, full power Juggernaut, Onslaught, Dark Phoenix, Stryfe, Legion, Cassandra Nova, the Brood, the Phalanx, the Skrull, the Shiar Empire, future super sentinel Nimrod and, last not least, HUMANITY...just to mention a few...

wynndar, as wannabe already pointed out, sue got a warning of the attack, so of course she would be ready. if emma went straight out, then sue could be mind-wiped. even if somehow she can't, then either storm or nightcrawler would take her out. psylock can handle reed until storm is done with torch. you really have to understand that the f4 lose here. just look at the people they are facing and what they can do. even according to numbers x-men win.

next time galactus stops by earth for a bite, who do you think will get a call?

Originally posted by Zahit
next time galactus stops by earth for a bite, who do you think will get a call?

Originally posted by Creshosk
The people who deal with him when they get prep. 😉

the x-men don't have people like reed to help them. forge isn't there anymore. if reed went with the x-men, then they could probably stop him like the f4 do.

Originally posted by Zahit
next time galactus stops by earth for a bite, who do you think will get a call?

Your question is meaningless...proves or supports nothing!

Originally posted by Zahit
and how would the x-men do against galactus with prep?

How would the FF do without prep nor gadgets?

they took out Terminus without prep.
when you got a brain like reed's....anything is possible.
when you got invisible daggers flying at you......you're f*cked.

Unless you've got shields and a guy who can teleport limbs off as well as psychics. . .

Without prep or gadgets I just don't see it happening.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unless you've got shields and a guy who can teleport limbs off as well as psychics. . .

Without prep or gadgets I just don't see it happening.

😛

Originally posted by Zahit
I do.

😛

with my eyes.....DUH.

Originally posted by Zahit
they took out Terminus without prep.
when you got a brain like reed's....anything is possible.
when you got invisible daggers flying at you......you're f*cked.

Btw...if it were so easy and unavoidable for the FF to win against any opponent because of Reed's super brain, the comics would be pretty boring...but they arn't...cause usually it isn't so easy or even possible! Otherwise i would have stopped to read their comics.