Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh I know there's a difference but you're making out as if the area is completely inaccessible and that really can't be the case if a hundred or more reporters and crew can descend on New Orleans without much difficulty.
Well, for one, there is a difference between 100's and over 30,000 troops moving 300x that in supplies through the aforementioned conditions.
Originally posted by GCGVery well, but I've said everything except that it wasn't that they were juggling the responsibility, it's moreso that the it took a lot of time to become fully prepared (And it's NOT the president's fault). Basically, all the information I ever stated (Quoted, they might not make sense strung together like they will be...and keep in mind I was very tired when I wrote all this.):
enlighten me Snoopbert
Originally posted by Snoopbert
You're welcome, but it's true. They couldn't have done it any quicker, at most 24 hours. It'd be stupid to go any faster. Consdiering there are aboslutely no communications, they're doing very fecking good.
Originally posted by Snoopbert
It took four months, with undamaged roads/infrastracture, to completely prepare for the invasion of Iraq. If there was a bomb, there would be less delay, because there wouldn't be rubble/debris, damaged/flooded roads, etc etc, in the way of the "releif" The counterattack would be quicker as we have men oversea's currently as it is.Right, Bush is a moron, etc etc 😬 Look, he might be stupid, but he did donate a chunk of his own money for NO victims. Oh... and look... they're getting helped now. (Which was only 24 hours really overdue.)
Originally posted by Snoopbert
No, it isn't. They should've been there the first day, but if they had arrived 24 horus earlier, that would've been the earliest possible time that they could've been there.
Originally posted by Snoopbert
Sorry. Media agencies aren't moving thousands of tons of supplies through extreme damage. Maybe a few vehicles... and most of them were probably choppered in. I don't know how, but they weren't bringing any form of releif. It's very different.And by 24 hours... they could've been there aboutr 24 hours sooner and prepared, under a bit better conditions... but I saw a picture of one of the main highways, and it was ripped to shreds. Imagine moving a huge oncvoy through roading like that (And flood), without any form of communications.
Originally posted by Snoopbert
It isn't the case, and I wasn't making it sound like it was completely inaccessible, I was attempting to show there are huge obstacles to overcome.
Everyone said that their was lack of cooperation and even Bush said that they wont let Bureacracy stand in the way. The agencies were dragging their feet as per the New Olreans mayor.
The disaster was a hot potato nobody could handel initially.
And Chinooks can carry vast amounts of supplies in and civilians by the 50s out. There was nothing preventing a Chinook landing on the Stadium ramps which had considerable asphalt above the water level.
Chinooks require fuel and all the fueling depots were either destroyed or clogged with debris. You also have to have crews to fuel them up with... which you have to chinook in? I'm sorry, but how can you land in a PACKED stadium? And by the 50's... well, for one... given the number of people, it wouldn't be cost efficient, which would be the most likely reason (Seeing as how there is already a fuel shortage down there from this, how would they take all the chinooks through there when they chug it like a 10 year odl sugar-addict?)
Is that so ? any proof of this have you ? enlighten me once again cause as far as i know you dont mention racism in your post with all those quotes on this page.
I have no vast knowledge to pin that dilly-dallying on racism. So for now i cannot comment. When i turn on the TV , on CNN, Sky news & Euro News, I hear more and more people admitting that there are lessons to be learnt including Condolezza Rice saying tthat it took long, but nobody in official postitions has yet mentioned racism for now, including the Mayor of New Orleans.
Now we were talking about logistics ; is there something else you would like to add before you proceeed to Racism ?
Well, I suppose you have to ask the question: "Would the same lacklustre response that has occurred for the predominantly poor and predominantly black people of New Orleans have occurred if the hurricane had been making it's way towards and had hit the predominantly rich and predominantly white (? I don't know American demographics) people of Manhattan Island?" If to you the answer is "No." then this has serious implications and raises further questions.
I think the reason less of this violence, rape, stealing would happen in a city of 'higher class' ppl or whatever u wld call them is because they'd be able to afford to go somewhere else before the disaster hit, like maybe a relative's house, vacation spot or where ever, while probably the poorer ppl who lived in New Orleans probably cldn't do that, so now all this chaos & confusion is happening.
Though if those higher class ppl didn't evacuate before the hurricane hit & lost everything, so they were basically stuck there, there wld probably be a similar reaction, too.
Well look there is no reason to protect the govt. Even Bush said we did mot respond well. (i agree for once)
Now back to the Hurricane. I'll bet when we get the true story of how many died this will be a major important event in Us history.
Well i think the death tolls can be very high. I am not going to guess but they are already so high and the water has not gone back yet.
I got a question is there no mass transit in New Orleans??? They could of gone the Transit buses or trains?? I would be shocked if there was none.
The buses were planned to be used for the evacuation if a hurricane weret o occur in New Orleans. You can look it up at the New Orleans City website.
However, as I pulled from TPMCafe.com (an admittedly liberal blog):
There were no drivers necessarily and buses were used to get as many as could to the Superdome and other shelters. And the City had developed a system recently to get people matched to rides in such cases and was educating churches and other bodies in poor neighborhoods.The busing evacuation plan is a work in progress. Details likely will remain murky until time to implement the plan, because officials don't want people heading to a particular place expecting a ride. Those without transportation need to be planning now how they'll get to safety, New Orleans Emergency Preparedness Director Joseph Matthews said.
"It's important to emphasize that we just don't have the resources to take everybody out," Matthews said.
He said the viability of the bus plan depends on whether Regional Transit Authority and New Orleans public school officials find enough volunteer drivers.
New Orleans is in an unusual situation, compared with neighboring parishes, because more than a quarter of its residents have no personal transportation. According to the most recent census data, about 134,000 out of the city's 480,000 people are without cars, said Shirley Laska, director of the University of New Orleans' Center for Hazards Assessment, Response & Technology.
If the buses are used, Matthews said those on board will have to be patient.
"Lets face it," he said. "In time of an emergency, if we wait until the new contraflow plan is put in effect to begin this plan, it will take anywhere from four to six hours to get people as far as Baton Rouge.
"And we have to arrange for things as simple as finding strategic points along the route for bathrooms and water, for security and medical personnel to accompany the convoy in case of medical needs."
Matthews said the plan is to take people from 10 pickup points throughout the city to one or more shelters north of Interstate 12.
City officials also are cooperating with the American Red Cross, Total Community Action and the University of New Orleans in developing a faith-based hurricane response system that includes a buddy system for evacuation.
Operation Brother's Keeper, financed with a grant from the Baptist Community Ministries, is aimed at assisting religious institutions in both preparing for a hurricane and in finding ways to pair with other religious institutions north of the lake to provide transportation and shelter.
There are four pilot churches this year, with a goal of providing assistance to about 2,000 residents.
Obviously the bus plan was not really hashed out.