Originally posted by BlackVortex
oldschool Jedi were good, training from very early childhood, following the light side of the Force, living true to the Code, not overpowered but obviously better than most people.
Wrong. What do you call "oldschool" here ? The Jedi before the PT were not trained from childhood on (Ruusan reformation) - have a look at Exar Kun, the Quel-Droma brothers or Nomi Sunrider.
luke breaks tradition #1. becomes a Jedi when he's REALLY old (not in years, but compared to when most began training). and it seems all the Jedi he train follow the same path because that's just how it is.
He became a Jedi when he was 19 - you call that really old ? Their is a little problem here in the EU. The majority of the past-ROTJ stuff was released before the PT came out therefore the authors had no information that Jedi were trained from childhood on because this idea was introduced with TPM for the first time. This is why all the past-ROTJ Jedi (and those from pre-Battle of Ruusan time areas) were not trained from infancy on.
i have to ask this..anakin starts training at what...7? 8? and he gets trained in the light side of the Force, and with the Code, and everything that's actually Jedi-like. and yet he's still too old, and ends up being Darth Vader.now Luke is about 10 years older, but that's just fine now...and he can become a Jedi Master that does a whole bunch of feats no one's ever heard of? silly.
It doesn't have anything to do with what age your start training if you will join the Dark Side. Dooku was trained from infancy on and still ended up being Darth Tyranus.
And I don't see where people have a philosophical problem with the post-ROTJ novels (I have some logic problems with them): The whole story of the films is that Anakin falls to the dark side and is delivered from the dark side by Luke.
Did anybody notice here that Luke used his anger to overcome Vader ? Did anybody realize that Mace used his aggressive feelings for lightsaber combat ? So you might think what you want but Lucas himself introduced the idea that a Jedi might use his darker feelings to do good - one have to do what is necessary without crossing some lines.
Just ask yourself if Luke trained from infancy on could have defeated Vader ? We saw that he only defeated Vader because of using his emotions but - after doing what was needed - keeping himself under control (not joining the dark side). So...would he use dark side powers or emotions to do what has to be done - yes...that is part of his character.
oh well, NJO Luke needs to be ridicolously(sp?) powerful so he finds away to defeat these guys....yay.
This is called dramatic necessity and now your point being ? I could argue through the entire history of the SW universe that people are too powerful - at least NJO Luke has the best arguments to be the "force god" of an universe that was created to tell the story of his family. You have to keep in mind that this is the son of the chosen one after 30 years of Jedi training. Imagine Anakin after 3 decades of Jedi training (so another 16 years from ROTS on) - he would be ridiculously powerful.
Back to the topic: Yoda and Mace together might be able to take NJO Luke but I think Mace will get killed in the process.