Emma Frost vs. Sue Richards (mental assault).

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She uses force to move it, doesn't she? She projects force at the ground.

She makes the bubble or forcefield, correct? If she just stood on it, wouldn't do much. She moves it because she can manipulate the force. If she can move the force in any way she wants to......she can.....?

If she can instantly protect herself with a forceshield without thinking, shields that she can manipulate and move. FORCE shields.......instant.......powerful.....

*Throws breadcrumbs around*

And as for targeting bs, you stated it's face to face. No targeting neccessary.

-AC

Wrong. It's not force. She has control over the invisible objects, so she can move them around. But she can't generate "force" without the objects. She'd still have to create it first.

If she couldn't protect herself instantly (as she has done in the past), she's be dead.

So if she can go on the defensive INSTANTLY without worrying about forming. Why can't she go on the offensive instantly? The answer: She can.

-AC

Originally posted by long pig
A thought to create a bubble is as fast if not faster as the thought to find, direct and launch an attack toward a mind.

Unless you're giving Emma biased prep to locate and concentraite on a mind to attack.......😈

emma can do this with her eyes closed.

Locates, finished.

emma, locates, constructs( includes envelopment, size, shape, width, sharpness, etc.) all of this happens fast, but...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If she couldn't protect herself instantly (as she has done in the past), she's be dead.

So if she can go on the defensive INSTANTLY without worrying about forming. Why can't she go on the offensive instantly? The answer: She can.

-AC

For instance, a missle is coming, constructs, boom, cancels.

It happens fast, yes, but so does emma, and it doesn't need the extra step.

"I have a crossbow"

You're just making that up though. Throwing it in for no reason.

Envelopment, size, shape, width, sharpness. Give it a goddamn rest. That's BS isn't it?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If she can instantly protect herself with a forceshield without thinking, shields that she can manipulate and move. FORCE shields.......instant.......powerful.....

There's a certain amount of instinctive survival tactics to that, but that's reflex the way it is that we instinctively cover ourselves up when punched. That's purely defensive. In order to take offensive action (which, last I checked, is what we're talking about here), it's still very much a conscious effort.

*Throws breadcrumbs around*

You dropped something.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're just making that up though. Throwing it in for no reason.

Envelopment, size, shape, width, sharpness. Give it a goddamn rest. That's BS isn't it?

-AC

When has she not had to do otherwise, I'm curious...

As a side point, Panther was actually fast enough to jump into her forcefield before she put it completely up. So even THAT is questionable.

Originally posted by demigawd
As a side point, Panther was actually fast enough to jump into her forcefield before she put it completely up. So even THAT is questionable.

what issue?

This past issue of Marvel Knights Fantastic Four.

Fun stuff....I just read it too. Funny coincidence, huh?

Ain't lookin good for Sue.

Originally posted by demigawd
This past issue of Marvel Knights Fantastic Four.

She's not fighting The Black Panther is she? Stop going elsewhere.

Originally posted by demigawd
There's a certain amount of instinctive survival tactics to that, but that's reflex the way it is that we instinctively cover ourselves up when punched. That's purely defensive. In order to take offensive action (which, last I checked, is what we're talking about here), it's still very much a conscious effort.

I can punch as fast as I can block. Being defensive is more conscious than being offensive.

Originally posted by The C-Master
Why is it made up?

When has she not had to do otherwise, I'm curious...

Really? Coz I'm curious as where she's had to stand there and act out an episode of the New Yankee Workshop to construct a forcefield.

Reed: SUE! WATCH OUT FOR THAT SIGN ABOUT TO FALL ON US!
Sue: Hang on. Let me just crack out the tape measure. Gotta decide how big we want this shield, how sharp. What colour?

It's the same as the old "Hulk needs to get mad to be super strong. He needs time."

Secret Wars says differently.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She's not fighting The Black Panther is she? Stop going elsewhere.

You've missed the point. Unless Panther is Flash now, the formation of a bubble does, in fact, time some amount of time.

Panther isn't the Flash, is he?

I can punch as fast as I can block. Being defensive is more conscious than being offensive.

I'll assume you're joking or have never been in a fight.

Really? Coz I'm curious as where she's had to stand there and act out an episode of the New Yankee Workshop to construct a forcefield.

Reed: SUE! WATCH OUT FOR THAT SIGN ABOUT TO FALL ON US!
Sue: Hang on. Let me just crack out the tape measure. Gotta decide how big we want this shield, how sharp. What colour?

Green Lanterns don't go through all of that, either. But they're CLEARLY making the objects. They just do it at the speed of thought. But that's still a few extra 30m/s impulses than point-and-shoot telepaths.

Marvel Knights isn't canon is it?

Emma has to:
1: Locate
2. Engage
3. Launch

Sue as to:

1. Create
2 .Locate
3. Launch

It's equal.
WTF?

Originally posted by demigawd
You've missed the point. Unless Panther is Flash now, the formation of a bubble does, in fact, time some amount of time.

I could say, on the flip side, Emma isn't as fast. Because she couldn't tell that Sue was about to attack.

Originally posted by demigawd
Green Lanterns don't go through all of that, either. But they're CLEARLY making the objects. They just do it at the speed of thought. But that's still a few extra 30m/s impulses than point-and-shoot telepaths.

Says who though? You? Sue operates at the speed of thought, so does Emma.

-AC

What do you mean it's not canon? Of course it's canon.

Emma has to:
1. Locate
2. Launch

Sue has to:
1. Locate
2. Create
3. Launch
And then there's the actual time it takes for said invisible object to REACH Emma, which we've been neglecting.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She's not fighting The Black Panther is she? Stop going elsewhere.

No, but when black panther jumped through, that took physical and mental activity, therefore more time.

Thus showing that she indeed doesn't have the advantage of instant force.

Panther jumps at xavier, what happens?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I can punch as fast as I can block. Being defensive is more conscious than being offensive.

No its not, I fought overseas, what happens when you blink at someone waving their hand at you?

When you flinch, reflexes are INSTANTANEOUS.
No thought, subconscious.

reflex,n:An involuntary physiological response to a stimulus..

When I punch, I have to pinpoint, aim, balance, counter balance, and attack..

reflex is a involuntary response, its subconscious, like a heartbeat.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Really? Coz I'm curious as where she's had to stand there and act out an episode of the New Yankee Workshop to construct a forcefield.

She had to construct it, aha!!

You just said so yourself, and even mental construction takes time.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[b]Reed: SUE! WATCH OUT FOR THAT SIGN ABOUT TO FALL ON US!
Sue: Hang on. Let me just crack out the tape measure. Gotta decide how big we want this shield, how sharp. What colour? [/B]

She doesn't have to say that no differently than I have to choose what finger to strike this keyboard as I type.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's the same as the old "Hulk needs to get mad to be super strong. He needs time."

Hulk requires adrenaline, "getting mad" is more or less a misconception.

Hulk is superstrong, he gradually increases though, because of his ability to tap into another dimension.

Originally posted by demigawd
What do you mean it's not canon? Of course it's canon.

Emma has to:
1. Locate
2. Launch

Sue has to:
1. Locate
2. Create
3. Launch
And then there's the actual time it takes for said invisible object to REACH Emma, which we've been neglecting.

Marvel Knights isn't canon.

I could be wrong, but do ya know of anywhere it says it's canon?

Also, it takes time for a telepathic assault to reach a mind, you keep neglecting that. 😉

Amazing the way people shove their noses into science books when they can't get their way.

Why is this "locate" business here? Did you not read the thread?

So it's more or less just launch and launch. They both operate at the same speed. She doesn't HAVE to form, she can fire instantly. Like Hydro-Man fires water. He only takes time to create geysers if he tries and thinks about it. If he just wants to crush someone's skull with a cannon of water, it's more or less instant.

-AC