Fleet Battles

Actually, the Leviathn is a Ratakan made ship. It's significantly smaller then a Star Destroyer. Also, in order to glass a planet, an Imperial fleet needed perhaps less then ten capital ships (no more than fifteen tops... I need to reread the Hutt's Gambit) to glass Nar Shadaa, killing all life. The Leviathan and its similar capital ships needed several hours to properly position themselves, and even then the bombardment came from a swarm of ships. As shown in the FMV, the turbolasers of the Leviathan, while powerful, did relatively light damage to the homes of Taris compared to the might of some of the larger capital ships in the times of the Empire.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Actually, the Leviathn is a Ratakan made ship. It's significantly smaller then a Star Destroyer. Also, in order to glass a planet, an Imperial fleet needed perhaps less then ten capital ships (no more than fifteen tops... I need to reread the Hutt's Gambit) to glass Nar Shadaa, killing all life. The Leviathan and its similar capital ships needed several hours to properly position themselves, and even then the bombardment came from a swarm of ships. As shown in the FMV, the turbolasers of the Leviathan, while powerful, did relatively light damage to the homes of Taris compared to the might of some of the larger capital ships in the times of the Empire.

Did it?

Think about it, it was Saul Karath his capitol ship, apparantly Carth knew about it and Saul used it to bomb Telos to the ground. Now that could mean he got a new capitol ship that day or that he already had his ship and that it was made by the Republic.

This is a reasonable assumption seeing as the ship Nihilus has was also at the battle of Malachor and looks like a Star Forge ship, yet still somehow the ship could not have been created by the Star Forge because they didn't have acces to the Star Forge just yet.

Personally I think Revan put the building plans to the greatest ship of his time in the Star Forge and made it create ships like that, more powerful then the Republic ships and they did not need to be powered by the force like the Rakatan ships.

No, I think you're wrong there. For one thing, the Ravager looked nothing like the Leviathan. It was noticeably bigger, and more shaped like a Star Destroyer than anything. It's also ripped from the ruins of Malachor V, but correct me if I'm wrong- it never says it's a Star Forge ship or a Republic ship. Considering that the Ravager looks NOTHING like the Republic ships in both games, either it's made by a different company, it's an older/newer model, or it's a Mandalorian ship. There is nothing to indicate that it's from the Star Forge.

As for the Leviathan, however, it is shaped like a curved lobster's left claw, and is definately alien in appearance. Star Forge ships are spoken of as being remarkably alien like, and with no markings to bear a maker. So why would Malak run with a ship that -wasn't- made on the Star Forge? And why would he have a small ship, when you consider that he found the Ebon Hawk alone in the Leviathan and captured them. The Sith fleet wasn't around. So it makes no sense that the Leviathan would be anything other than a capital ship made by the Star Forge. There is absolutely no evidence to indicate otherwise.

Empire takes this. An overabundace of capital ships (30,000 ISDs alone), well trained crews and super weapons (the death star wasnt' the most powerful they had), as well as tactical geniuses (Thrawn anyone?) and a VERY motivated personnel base (flying into asteroid fields?) mean that the Empire finally wins a meaningful victory.

Originally posted by Gryn Jabar
Empire takes this. An overabundace of capital ships (30,000 ISDs alone), well trained crews and super weapons (the death star wasnt' the most powerful they had), as well as tactical geniuses (Thrawn anyone?) and a VERY motivated personnel base (flying into asteroid fields?) mean that the Empire finally wins a meaningful victory.

Do you completely ignore all our other posts on purpose or did you just forget to read it?

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
No, I think you're wrong there. For one thing, the Ravager looked nothing like the Leviathan. It was noticeably bigger, and more shaped like a Star Destroyer than anything. It's also ripped from the ruins of Malachor V, but correct me if I'm wrong- it never says it's a Star Forge ship or a Republic ship. Considering that the Ravager looks NOTHING like the Republic ships in both games, either it's made by a different company, it's an older/newer model, or it's a Mandalorian ship. There is nothing to indicate that it's from the Star Forge.

As for the Leviathan, however, it is shaped like a curved lobster's left claw, and is definately alien in appearance. Star Forge ships are spoken of as being remarkably alien like, and with no markings to bear a maker. So why would Malak run with a ship that -wasn't- made on the Star Forge? And why would he have a small ship, when you consider that he found the Ebon Hawk alone in the Leviathan and captured them. The Sith fleet wasn't around. So it makes no sense that the Leviathan would be anything other than a capital ship made by the Star Forge. There is absolutely no evidence to indicate otherwise.

That still doesn't deal with Saul Karath his flag ship, of course he could have gotten a new one, but I doubt he would have had a new ship before he proved his loyalty.

Fantasy land, Fishy. It's the escape from reality we all wanted, but only ignorant people get in for free.

Perhaps you should read the OP Fishy. Force powers only used in a supporting/auxillary role. NOT used in direct combat.

Originally posted by Fishy
That still doesn't deal with Saul Karath his flag ship, of course he could have gotten a new one, but I doubt he would have had a new ship before he proved his loyalty.

You need a good sitdown talk about Occum's Razor, my friend.

No seriously... Saul was on Malak's ship. He was his admiral. He led the navy from the control bridge on Malak's ship. The ship itself is of course infamous- it's the same ship that fired on Revan's ship (Which also had a similar bridge as in the FMV) and obviously saw some action in the constant war that was going on. So naturally anyone who's a pilot and warhero will recognize the ship. This doesn't say that it's pre-Mandalorian War. Nothing does. And the fact remains that no other Republic ship looks like Revan and Malak's flagships, nor their support capital ships. None. The ships can't be mistaken for anything else, since they are unique and are thus because of the Star Forge's designs, which are described as being alien. Unless you find me a quote where it says specifically that the Leviathan is a Republic ship, the signs point to a SF ship.

The Infinite Empire would beat the Empire by sheer numbers.

The Yuuzhan Vong would win this one dudes.

The Infinite Empire could beat the Yuuzhan Vong by numbers as well.

Agreed. At least know what you're talking about.

The Infinite Empire could just program ships with coordinates, then ram millions of ships at the Vong.

Originally posted by Lord Janus
Fantasy land, Fishy. It's the escape from reality we all wanted, but only ignorant people get in for free.

I must be ignorant then cause I don't understand what you just said...

About your other post,

I can't give you a direct quote I can tell you however, that Saul his flagship bombed Telos to the ground it was the first thing he did after he left the Republic. Now of course it could have become his flagship later or he could have had another flagship or he could have just used Malak his flagship. What I do not understand however is why the hell would the Republic let in a ship that they know is hostile to them?

On the other hand, he couldn't have destroyed the planet alone so more would have jumped into the system, nevermind this point is destroyed when I think about it a little better.

Uh, that comment wasn't meant for you, Fishy.

Originally posted by Lord Janus
Agreed. At least know what you're talking about.

You don't have to sense them. Green lightning works great. That along with vongsense. Don't forge tthat the Yuuzhan Vong were arfaid of the Imperials. The Vong didn't conquer more than a fourth of the galaxy.

Well the Vong did dismantle the empire kinda. Read crimson empire 2. And in wich timeperiod is this infinite empire anyway? In which books does it getdescribed? Seriouly, i read this thread and from what i read the Vong would own the rest.

Originally posted by Tiberius
I could say the same if you! The Vong conquered the whole Galaxy and destroyed coruscant. And the infinite's empire's force powers wouldn't work. They can't sense the Vong in the Force.

The Vong did not conquer the whole galaxy. If anything, they had to agree to a truce at one point, and they even lost many of their earlier holdings. Second, they won against a weak and totally surprised New Republic. They wouldn't have the same advantage against an Empire that predated the Old Republic, with billions upon billions of servants and soldiers, a Force using noble caste, and a factory that makes unlimited amount of ships. In their heyday, the Ratakan Empire got irked and glassed Tatooine. They could easily **** up the Vong, and they would not have the logistics problems nor the ethical problems that the New Republic and the NJO would.

As for the Infinite Empire's force powers not working, this is bullshit. Force powers still work, but they cannot affect the Vong directly. Indirectly, you can take them all down with Force powers, and considering you already have more manpower and ships and no resource problems at all, the Vong are dead. Period.