Fleet Battles

The Vong actually greatly outnumber the Rakata. The were something in the area of a billion Rakata and a trillion slaves if I remember correctly. The Yuuzhan Vong killed about 365 times that number. That is the slaves. The actual Rakata were about billion. Not even the greatest Rakata couldn't take down 365,000 Vong. Since many of these kills were probably civilian kills, lets divide this number by a thousand. That gives us 365 Yuuzhan Vong per Rakata. The Yuuzhan Vong are a warrior species. 10 Vong could take down most Rakata in my view.

yes someone with brains. But WTF is the Rakatan empire. I hope it ain't any KOTOR stuff.

Sadly Tiberius, they are. They're responsible for Tatooine being a desert world.

But in relation to this thread's topic, I'd say the Empire at it's zenith could take on everybody.

Tens of thousands of Star Destroyers, The Executor, The Death Star, and the countless numbers of lesser craft the Empire used to control the ENTIRE galaxy. They would need billions if not trillions of stormtroopers (who were brainwashed recruits, not clones) to maintain their "rule through fear of force" doctrine. With men like Palpatine, Vader, Thrawn, even Pelleaon, and Tarkin controlling their vast fleets and armies, they'd be invincible one on one.

The Empire was stated to cause the single largest military buildup the known recorded galaxy has ever seen. That includes Revan's Sith, the Rakata, Separatists, Old Republic, Clone Army, all of 'em.

The Yuuzhan Vong feared to take on the Empire, that says alot about their chances. They were no fools, militarily, they wouldn't risk annihalating their whole civilization out of pride. So they waited till the Empire declined and the New Republic was war-torn.

The Death Star, by visual comparison, appears to be larger than the Star Forge, and it seems the Star Forge didn't even have a shield, where as the DS2 had one. One shot from the Death Star, that would take like 20 seconds to fire, would totally destroy the Star Forge, despite it's abilities.

The Empire would chew up any fleet who took it on.

Thats bs, the Rakatan were not known about. The only record of them is through Revan who would not have shared the knowledge with the rest because there were a lot of unknowns.

About the vong greatly outnumbering the Rakatan? Your point being? If one of them could throw a star (which wouldn't surprise me at all) then 365 are gone easily. The pure power of the Rakatan attacks would take down many Vong capitol ships and then you have the ramming things, a thousand ships set to ram whatever the enemy sends at them is going to do a shit load of damage. Just because the Rakatan are outnumbered does not mean they will lose.

Now ground battles sure they could lose that if the Vong heavily outnumber them, but remember the Rakatan were a warrior race with technology that surpassed the Empire at many points 29.000 years before the Empire even existed. Their technology is great and powerful and I'm sure they will adopt pretty quickly to whatever comes up to them. They would probably work together well in battles and they have awesome force powers so they could do a lot of shit against the vong. And remember they will use it full out from the start. The vong simply do not stand a chance, almost nobody does except for the most powerful of force users.

The new order would win. But notwithstanding the vong are very powerfull.

Originally posted by Tiberius
yes someone with brains. But WTF is the Rakatan empire. I hope it ain't any KOTOR stuff.

Are they all pricks over where you come from, or are you just a unique specimen? Please, either learn to keep the insults at bay, or shut the **** up. It's not like you contribute more than two sentences to anything, and your knowledge is practically not enough to get by on anything that isn't the movies or after.

I read all all Eu that happens after TPM or around TPM. It was not an insult dude.

Originally posted by Fishy
Thats bs, the Rakatan were not known about. The only record of them is through Revan who would not have shared the knowledge with the rest because there were a lot of unknowns.

About the vong greatly outnumbering the Rakatan? Your point being? If one of them could throw a star (which wouldn't surprise me at all) then 365 are gone easily. The pure power of the Rakatan attacks would take down many Vong capitol ships and then you have the ramming things, a thousand ships set to ram whatever the enemy sends at them is going to do a shit load of damage. Just because the Rakatan are outnumbered does not mean they will lose.

Now ground battles sure they could lose that if the Vong heavily outnumber them, but remember the Rakatan were a warrior race with technology that surpassed the Empire at many points 29.000 years before the Empire even existed. Their technology is great and powerful and I'm sure they will adopt pretty quickly to whatever comes up to them. They would probably work together well in battles and they have awesome force powers so they could do a lot of shit against the vong. And remember they will use it full out from the start. The vong simply do not stand a chance, almost nobody does except for the most powerful of force users.

what points ot them being able to throw stars? They weren't that good. Believe me, if they were, they would have controlled MUCH more than 500 planets at their peak.

The Rakata aren't physically impressive. Revan, at only a third or so of his pre-KOTOR power, takes out either the last warrior group, the elders, or both. It was around fifty Rakata in the first two situations, and 100 in the other ones. So we know that Revan, in a weakened state, after fighting through Rakata patrols and young Rancors, was able to take another fifty. Revan is more powerful than any Yuuzhan Vong at his peak, but at this point, he is probably about equal to a slayer and FAR weaker than Shimrra. The numbers Revan killed were for gameplay purposes, but taking out some of the last of Rakata strong-holds must have meant MANY Rakata.

So the IE destroyed Tatooines terrain. Well, I am sorry to inform you that the Empire had over ten thousand ships that oculd single handedly do that same job in less than a weak. Perhaps you have forgotten that could sterolize a planet.

I just don't see how the IE could take either the Vong or the Empire.

Sorry for the double post.

I noticed that I was off in my numbers of Rakata. There were actually 10 billion. More than I had thought, but still no where near the Yuuzhan Vong.

If the IE uses the Star Forge, then history can be expected to repeat itself. It was the Star Forge that caused them to enter another civil war. They will also lose thier force abilty after a while too.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Sorry for the double post.

I noticed that I was off in my numbers of Rakata. There were actually 10 billion. More than I had thought, but still no where near the Yuuzhan Vong.

If the IE uses the Star Forge, then history can be expected to repeat itself. It was the Star Forge that caused them to enter another civil war. They will also lose thier force abilty after a while too.

Any empire that possesses the Star Forge should in theory be invincible.

The key statement there being "in theory."

Originally posted by Fishy
Thats bs, the Rakatan were not known about. The only record of them is through Revan who would not have shared the knowledge with the rest because there were a lot of unknowns.

About the vong greatly outnumbering the Rakatan? Your point being? If one of them could throw a star (which wouldn't surprise me at all) then 365 are gone easily. The pure power of the Rakatan attacks would take down many Vong capitol ships and then you have the ramming things, a thousand ships set to ram whatever the enemy sends at them is going to do a shit load of damage. Just because the Rakatan are outnumbered does not mean they will lose.

Now ground battles sure they could lose that if the Vong heavily outnumber them, but remember the Rakatan were a warrior race with technology that surpassed the Empire at many points 29.000 years before the Empire even existed. Their technology is great and powerful and I'm sure they will adopt pretty quickly to whatever comes up to them. They would probably work together well in battles and they have awesome force powers so they could do a lot of shit against the vong. And remember they will use it full out from the start. The vong simply do not stand a chance, almost nobody does except for the most powerful of force users.

They had only ten billion(sorry) in population at their peak, the Vong were like a 100 times that. The Empire was like 1000 times it.

They controlled 500 planets, the Empire controlled most of the freakin galaxy, and the Vong conquered half of it. There's got to be 100's of thousands of planets in the galaxy. And since we don't know anything about IE technology, so we don't know what their ships look like, we can't assume they hold more Firepower than a Star Destroyer or whatever the Vong ships were called. And by comparing against the Star Forge, the Rakatan didn't appear to know how to make shield for their ships.

I'm not saying they wouldn't put up a good fight, but they just wouldn't win. The Empire and Vong would overwhelm them with sheer numbers. The Empire would blow up their Homeworld or any Rakatan world just to be sure. The Vong would probably attack en Masse and terraform the planet. It's all about demoralising the enemy. Capture the home planet and the enemy will lose heart. It's just the Sort of thing the Empire would do, and the Vong did the same thing to Coruscant.

Plus the Empire had almost 50 000 years of technology ahead of them.

Even though we are going for the same thing, Tangigible_god, you don't appear to know what your talking about.

The Rakata did control 500 planets at their peak, but the Galatic Empire controlled abour a million at its peak. The GE didn't have most of the Galaxy, they had less than half. The Vong got less than half of that.

You said the Vong were a hundred times that. Incorrect. They were 36.5 thousnd times that.

We also can't assume that they had less then the Empire. But we can infer it. From that Tatooine legend, it apperas that it took a large amount of time for the to destroy Tatooine. A Star Destroyer is able to do it in less than a weak.

I thought you said we don't know anything about their ships? Then how do you know they don't have sheids?

50,000 years? Please check your facts. The Rakata are thought to have gone back as far as 48,000 years(thought, as in speculation) to 28,000 years. The IE also didn't peak in their very beginning. It was probably within 35,000 B.B.Y.

I know I just argued against my case, but I can't let you go spouting crap, even if it helps the side I'm on.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Even though we are going for the same thing, Tangigible_god, you don't appear to know what your talking about.

The Rakata did control 500 planets at their peak, but the Galatic Empire controlled abour a million at its peak. The GE didn't have most of the Galaxy, they had less than half. The Vong got less than half of that.

You said the Vong were a hundred times that. Incorrect. They were 36.5 thousnd times that.

We also can't assume that they had less then the Empire. But we can infer it. From that Tatooine legend, it apperas that it took a large amount of time for the to destroy Tatooine. A Star Destroyer is able to do it in less than a weak.

I thought you said we don't know anything about their ships? Then how do you know they don't have sheids?

50,000 years? Please check your facts. The Rakata are thought to have gone back as far as 48,000 years(thought, as in speculation) to 28,000 years. The IE also didn't peak in their very beginning. It was probably within 35,000 B.B.Y.

I know I just argued against my case, but I can't let you go spouting crap, even if it helps the side I'm on.

And the Empire controlled from Bakura to that planet across the galaxy that for the love of me I can't remember the name of. We can say that they controlled more than half, but not wuite all. The Vong got quite a bit too.

And the IE began 50 000 years B.B.Y., and ended apparently a millenium or two prior two the Republic's founding about, what? 25 000 B.B.Y. Plus the IE had, I don't know for how long, a civil war. In any case, you know where I'm going with this. Still alot of Millenia between.

And in case you didn't notice, I was SUPPORTING the Empire. And the Vong to an extent. I said NOTHING about the IE glassifying Tatooine, but I know, and I agree with you that a Star Destroyer could do it in a day. Again, you'll notice that I was BOOSTING support for a SD.

And if the Rakata didn't shield their most prized possesion, the Star Forge, then I think we can assume, they had no shielding.

Since this all fictional, and what we don't know we will never now until someone certifies it, all we can do is assume with theory. Theory and LOGIC for Christ's sake.

Originally posted by Tangible God
[BAnd in case you didn't notice, I was SUPPORTING the Empire. And the Vong to an extent.

And if the Rakata didn't shield their most prized possesion, the Star Forge, then I think we can assume, they had no shielding.
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I was supporting the Empire and the Yuuzhan Vong too, incase you didn't notice. I just said you were making up a lot of crap. If you exagerate the numbers, then it all quickly becomes a steaming pile of crap.

The Star Forge was NOT a Warship. We don't out heavy armor on factories. The Rakata don't either, but you can bet they had it on their military-purpose vehicles.

If it was so special to them, and it was, and if they had shielding, why wouldn't they shield it?

I never said anything about your "crap" statement. I was pissed 'cause you made it appear that I was disagreeing with you about the Tatooine thing, and the Imperial number thing.

And I exaggerated the Vong numbers because I really don't give a flying f*ck about how many there were, I just know that there was alot, and they kicked some major New Republic ass.

NJO Luke comes in and shoots a bolt of green lightning obliberating them all! Mwahahahahaha!!!...

P.S

Hey you writers of NJO! If you ever come to these forums (doubtfull) I hope you read this. I a 15 year old teenager can write better than you people!

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(ahem's again)

(looks around)

F*ck NJO.

Except the Vong, 'cause they killed Chewbacca and Anakin Solo.

Good for them.

Originally posted by Tangible God
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(ahem's again)

(looks around)

F*ck NJO.

Except the Vong, 'cause they killed Chewbacca and Anakin Solo.

Good for them.

You said it. Fek them all!

Dude! Anakin was the man. I'm still pissed they killed him off....

(ten minutes later)

Oh. Chewie. I'm sorry you died too.