We had a pretty long thread a few months ago (can't find it as hard as i may try) about wolverine's claws and if they were powerful enough to cut through Colossus. We decided that they COULD, but that Logan couldn't get enough leverage to do so. Even if sabertooth's stronger, i doubt he has enough strength and leverage to actually penetrate Peter's organic steel skin ❌
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
We had a pretty long thread a few months ago (can't find it as hard as i may try) about wolverine's claws and if they were powerful enough to cut through Colossus. We decided that they COULD, but that Logan couldn't get enough leverage to do so. Even if sabertooth's stronger, i doubt he has enough strength and leverage to actually penetrate Peter's organic steel skin ❌~wickerman~
yea people fail to mention how even though Wolverine and Sabretooth have indestructable skelatons, their connective tissue still wouldnt hold up to Hulk, Thing, or Colossus simply ripping their limbs out of their sockets. A limbless Sabretooth might live for a little bit...but he wouldnt be able to fight anymore, it would technically be over.
Originally posted by Wynndar
yea people fail to mention how even though Wolverine and Sabretooth have indestructable skelatons, their connective tissue still wouldnt hold up to Hulk, Thing, or Colossus simply ripping their limbs out of their sockets. A limbless Sabretooth might live for a little bit...but he wouldnt be able to fight anymore, it would technically be over.
Originally posted by Wynndar
yea people fail to mention how even though Wolverine and Sabretooth have indestructable skelatons, their connective tissue still wouldnt hold up to Hulk, Thing, or Colossus simply ripping their limbs out of their sockets. A limbless Sabretooth might live for a little bit...but he wouldnt be able to fight anymore, it would technically be over.
Both sabertooth and wolverine have taken on heavy hitters, and not once has that happened.
Not to mention Wolverine's gotten Peter's best punches and taken them and kept on coming for more and more. I forgot where that fight was but i'm sure if you pm jinzin about it you might get some scans. They both can take incredible ammounts of punishments from heavy hitters. I don't see the whole "rip limbs off" thing happening anytime soon. however, i also don't see either of the two (wolverine or sabes) hurting colossus, due to his organic steel.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
Both sabertooth and wolverine have taken on heavy hitters, and not once has that happened.
Not to mention Wolverine's gotten Peter's best punches and taken them and kept on coming for more and more. I forgot where that fight was but i'm sure if you pm jinzin about it you might get some scans. They both can take incredible ammounts of punishments from heavy hitters. I don't see the whole "rip limbs off" thing happening anytime soon. however, i also don't see either of the two (wolverine or sabes) hurting colossus, due to his organic steel.~wickerman~
Originally posted by wannabe
Wynndar's post had the intention to make clear, that the two take hits from powerhouses like nothing but SHOULDN'T be able to do so, because of the facts mentioned.
Though i don't want this to disgress into the same discussion as in the "wrecker vs. wolverine" thread, i have to say, that PIS or no PIS, crappy writing or no crappy writing, wolverine is shown to go well beyond his abilities CONSISTENTLY.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
Though i don't want this to disgress into the same discussion as in the "wrecker vs. wolverine" thread, i have to say, that PIS or no PIS, crappy writing or no crappy writing, wolverine is shown to go well beyond his abilities CONSISTENTLY.~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wynndar
yea people fail to mention how even though Wolverine and Sabretooth have indestructable skelatons, their connective tissue still wouldnt hold up to Hulk, Thing, or Colossus simply ripping their limbs out of their sockets. A limbless Sabretooth might live for a little bit...but he wouldnt be able to fight anymore, it would technically be over.
Originally posted by Creshosk
The thing is, this isn't true, not for Wolverine. In Wolverine: Snikt! his right arm was burned so badly only his adamantium bones remained; guess what? They were still linked together. Wolverine was still able to use his arm (even though he had to hold it with his left hand). If there is cartilage between his bones that can be severed, than it can also be burned away, and obviously thats not the case.What about New X-Men, E is for Extinction? Nova burned off all the flesh on his right arm, and guess what? the arm bones were still linked together. They didn't collapse or fall off, which is what they would have done had there been connecting ligaments and cartilage.
How about Miller's Wolverine? When Shingen and Logan fight, Shingen aims a sword stroke at Logans' neck; I've been informed that it was later explained (whether by Miller or Claremont, I don't know) that it was an attack that was meant to sever Wolverine's head, by cutting inbetween the connecting bones; but since Wolverine's adamantium reinforces and links those bones, it couldn't cut through.
And lets not forget Blood Hungry.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
This isn't much of a fight at all.Colossus could swat him away until he just kicks Creed's head and sends him to China or something.
Creed will get back up and take the first plane back. According to forum rules if a combatant can get back into the fight after ringout on his own and go back at it, the fight continues. This fight would most likely just go ad infinitum.....sabertooth won't be doing much against Peter, and Peter won;t be doing much against Sabertooth. Unless of course he goes into one of his "I AM RAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEE" rages 😂
then ST is proper ****ed
~wickerman~
here's the thing...first off...no one is ripping off anyone slimbs..period...after the admantium bonding process is completed it is stuck the way it is sculpted for eternity..the only other changes it goes through are molecular bonding...not only was there a blurb about this in either weapon x, or during a weapon x story arch, but professor x himself has claimed wolverine's skeleton to be bonded at a molecular level...and it has been proven on a vast amount of occasions. that's said..no limbs will be ripped of okay...
now as for wolverine being able to penetrate colossus...apparently colossus 616 is quite afraid of wolverine's claws...wolverine once took a casual swipe at him and he toppled over after he dodged out of their way in fear of being tagged "wolverine, your claws!"
so if peter thinks wolverine can hurt him, and wolverine can cut through almost anything..it's not so hard to believe that he can cut through peter is it? and as for sabretooth I think admantium claws backed by a class 5 to 10 warrior are wayyy more than enough to get some damage done on the the big C, but that's just my opinion...
that's why I was asking about whether or not wolverine's ever tried to hit colussus with his claws...cause the only time I've ever seen him try, big C was hella scared of em.
Originally posted by jinzin
here's the thing...first off...no one is ripping off anyone slimbs..period...after the admantium bonding process is completed it is stuck the way it is sculpted for eternity..the only other changes it goes through are molecular bonding...not only was there a blurb about this in either weapon x, or during a weapon x story arch, but professor x himself has claimed wolverine's skeleton to be bonded at a molecular level...and it has been proven on a vast amount of occasions. that's said..no limbs will be ripped of okay...now as for wolverine being able to penetrate colossus...apparently colossus 616 is quite afraid of wolverine's claws...wolverine once took a casual swipe at him and he toppled over after he dodged out of their way in fear of being tagged "wolverine, your claws!"
so if peter thinks wolverine can hurt him, and wolverine can cut through almost anything..it's not so hard to believe that he can cut through peter is it? and as for sabretooth I think admantium claws backed by a class 5 to 10 warrior are wayyy more than enough to get some damage done on the the big C, but that's just my opinion...
that's why I was asking about whether or not wolverine's ever tried to hit colussus with his claws...cause the only time I've ever seen him try, big C was hella scared of em.
Use the google search, not the regular search and try to find the old thread i mentioned in my first post on this thread. I didn't have any luck using the normal search, but i remember distinctly that we came to a general consensus that wolverine CANNOT cut through colossus's organic steel, nor pierce it, due to lack of strength and leverage. Sabertooth.....MIGHT....but there is no certain answer. As i remember, you yourself participated in that discussion and agreed ....i think......
~wickerman~
i did agree...at the time I could have sworn that wolverine tried to cut collosus but only got sparks....
then someone brought to my attention that that happened in the ultimate universe...
I went back through the ol' collection and found out they were correct...
after that i was no longer sure that wolverine had ever attempted such in the 616 universe...and then when I stumbled upon this little "incident" I gave me further doubts..... now I'm not so sure...
if someone can bring an example to the table though, I'll happily concede to that consensus...
Originally posted by jinzin
i did agree...at the time I could have sworn that wolverine tried to cut collosus but only got sparks....then someone brought to my attention that that happened in the ultimate universe...
I went back through the ol' collection and found out they were correct...
after that i was no longer sure that wolverine had ever attempted such in the 616 universe...and then when I stumbled upon this little "incident" I gave me further doubts..... now I'm not so sure...
if someone can bring an example to the table though, I'll happily concede to that consensus...
Hmmmm........how old is the Ultimates issue that the "sparks" thing happened in and how old is the "Peter dodging" 616 issue?
~wickerman~
Originally posted by jinzin
ultimates is I think maybe 2 years old...maybe less...the other incident happened in the mid to late 80's I think...I don't know..but it was warpath's first appearance...
Warpath's first appearance? 🤨 Damn jinzin.....you an old bastard.
Ahem.....regardless, when i get my greedy little hands back on my "still in repairs" HDD, assuming at least part of it was rescued cry.......i'll look it up.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickermanlol, here we're talking about Wolverine's first appearence. . . and warpath gets the old remark?
Warpath's first appearance? 🤨 Damn jinzin.....you an old bastard.
Didn't thunderbird appear before warpath?
And I think I remember that incident too. . . was it shortly after Colossus struck Wolverine full force, in the danger room?
This also would have been before his popularity increase soo . . .
Originally posted by Creshosk
lol, here we're talking about Wolverine's first appearence. . . and warpath gets the old remark?Didn't thunderbird appear before warpath?
And I think I remember that incident too. . . was it shortly after Colossus struck Wolverine full force, in the danger room?
This also would have been before his popularity increase soo . . .
Lol yeah, but it was something about the way he said "Warpath's first appearance" that sounded as if he bought the comic and read it right then on the spot....only he was what jinzin....3.....4 years old? 😂
And it was just really before his popularity increase, since that started at the end of the 80's, beginning of the 90's, increased dramatically by the cartoon show as well.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by jinzin
here's the thing...first off...no one is ripping off anyone slimbs..period...professor x himself has claimed wolverine's skeleton to be bonded at a molecular level...and it has been proven on a vast amount of occasions. that's said..no limbs will be ripped of okay...
Jinzin, bieng bonded on the molecular level makes no difference. That means that the adamantium cannot be removed from his bones. Itdoesnt change the fact that bone and adamantium end and connectve tissue/muscle begin in someplace, and that someplace can be ripped apart by the class 100 Colossus.