Colossus vs. Sabertooth

Originally posted by Wynndar
Jinzin, bieng bonded on the molecular level makes no difference. That means that the adamantium cannot be removed from his bones. Itdoesnt change the fact that bone and adamantium end and connectve tissue/muscle begin in someplace, and that someplace can be ripped apart by the class 100 Colossus.

actually it does..as has been proven time and time again...I honestly believe his bones work like an action figures joints....if you can prove me wrong going by character please do...

Originally posted by Wickerman
Hard enough to not BE moved 😉

And FYI, colossus isn't made of organic steel.....he's made of RAAAAAAGEEEEEE mhm

~wickerman~

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Originally posted by Creshosk
Wolverine moves, and has shown and been stated to be molecularly bonded. I can accept this.

Colossus moves and the organic steel has been said and shown to be his skin. I can accept this.

Wolverine, Sabertooth and Colossus have metal as part of them which in each case logically should keep them from moving. But does not.

I can accept this.

You for some odd reason cannot accept one, but willingly accept the other. Why is it that I'm the unreasonable one?

you're supporting a pro-wolverine argument..did you really need to ask?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Are people still arguing that Wolverine's skeleton is one large piece of metal - when clearly that's not the case even if you show scans where his muscle is burned off? Question: how does he still manage to move his arm with the nerves and muscle burnt off in some of the examples cited?

we don't know....honestly...how come his unexplainable atributes are okay to disregard but other heroes' attributes consiting of similar illogical natures are just fine?

Because Colossus organic steel tissues (and one should note that they aren't actually steel - if I recall they're only referred to as that) are part of his powers. Where exactly does it say that Wolverine (or Sabretooth) being able to move a skeletal arm without musculature is part of his power? Where does it say that Wolverine (or Sabretooth) has every connective tissue in his body laced with adamantium?

As for the example you asked for - Wolverine had his hand blasted off in AoA.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Because Colossus organic steel tissues (and one should note that they aren't actually steel - if I recall they're only referred to as that) are part of his powers. Where exactly does it say that Wolverine (or Sabretooth) being able to move a skeletal arm without musculature is part of his power? Where does it say that Wolverine (or Sabretooth) has every connective tissue in his body laced with adamantium?

As for the example you asked for - Wolverine had his hand blasted off in AoA.

aoa really isn't an adquite example to use..

it's pretty clear everybody got a significant upgrade (either literal of just no more restraint of character) there's no way to say what happened has we never see the event, it's only comented on vaguely...

cyclops at a full blast without restraint of any sort whatsoever would possibly generate enough force to blast the small hinges and what-not that connect wolverine's bones apart, this would mean his blast was more powerful than a class 100+ blow...which IMO is more than plausible had he hit with a significantly concentrated blast at full power the possibility to detatch said hinges raises even more...but because we've seen several other occasions in the 616 universe where cyclops' beam has done nothing but either piss logan off, or blast him away, i really don't think your thesis really holds up..

also we have to consider that power in a concentrated blow can generate more pounds of pressure per square inch than one's one capability to lift...

MA's can hit with thousands of pounds per square inch yet can't bench press 200. collusus would have to be stronger than the PSI power that hulk hits with...I don't think he has that kind of strength to be quite frank.

Where in the history of our exchanges do you derive that I accept your strange notion that Wolverine beats Hulk?
Colossus doesn't need to be as strong as Hulk to kill Wolverine.

Orthopedic anatomy isn't my specialty but last time I checked bones aren't connected with hinges. 🤨

As for your MA thing I'm not going to go into the whole high pressure doesn't equate to high force etc etc crap that I've already been through numerous times already. And it would be nice if you could source that "thousands of psi" thing.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Where in the history of our exchanges do you derive that I accept your strange notion that Wolverine beats Hulk?
Colossus doesn't need to be as strong as Hulk to kill Wolverine.

Orthopedic anatomy isn't my specialty but last time I checked bones aren't connected with hinges. 🤨

As for your MA thing I'm not going to go into the whole high pressure doesn't equate to high force etc etc crap that I've already been through numerous times already. And it would be nice if you could source that "thousands of psi" thing.

ummm did I ever say anything about wolverine beating hulk? did I include your name? 🤨 where the hell did you get that from?

and I didn't say colossus has to be stronger than hulk to kill wolverine..we both know that's not true...I said he'd have to have more lifting power than hulk's punching power to be able to seperate logan's limbs... otherwise hulks uppercuts to logans jaw would result in a decapitation.

last time I checked bones aren't usually coated in admantium and then bonded on a molecular level....there's no other way to "explain" why wolverine's still capable of moving if his bones are bonded as proffesor x described and as has been proven before..if you can't accept that they are bonded by hinges, maybe you should just accept that it's a comic and doesn't make sense. there's no other evidence to support your thesis other than a non-cannon universe which is rather weak... it's been PROVEN that wolverine's bones are still in ONE BIG HUNK when his flesh is COMPLETELY blasted off them... if you can find an explaination to this please do.. for me I assume that it's because his bones are indeed BONDED as has been described.

and I did source the MA thing...it's called extreme martial arts, it's on the discovery channel every other month so...

anywho, at this point it just seems like your attacking me for arguments I'm not even making..I don't know why, but maybe you should read my posts over to come to a clearer understanding of the points I'm actually attempting to make rather than what YOU THINK I'm trying to convey.

Before you were arguing that his ligaments are adamantium laced now you're suggesting that tiny adamantium hinges(?) link his bones? Then in the same paragraph you say that the bones are one big hunk?
That's why your hinge thing is confusing.
Which one is it - because it can't be all three.
Are you still arguing that stripped of muscle and nerve he should still be able to move his arm?

I'm not claiming anything...just providing various options to ponder. not my fault you scoff at every last one of them no matter what proof or evidence is presented to you.

We can either think up a logical reason for wolverine to do some of the things he does (as no one can accept anything as just being part of his character since he's in comics and all) or we can just accept the fact that they're damned comics and aren't ment to make sense, wolverine included.

I really don't know how his skeleton works, i've admitted this on several occasions, the best "explaination" I can give is, "hey, it's comics, get over it". But I say that, and people call me a fanboy. wtf?

what do we know?..that wolverine's bones haven't been broken, seperated, or otherwise when in combat versus vastly superior foes in terms of strength. So where does the assumption come from that someone will be able to do it now?

are you aware a demon king kabal tried to tear logan limb from limb already and was confused as to why wolverine wasn't seperated as he had done so to so many mortals before?

It's already been tried, and it was proven (A-friggin-GAIN doh ) that his admantium skeleton in one way or another prevented his bones from being detatched.

anways, as far as his arms moving where his flesh has been seperated, that isn't a feat I've ever brought up, nor is it an argument I've supported, so i really have no idea what you mean by "still arguing"..🤨

i think you're quite confused tonight...

Well I have been drinkin... 😂
Jinzin I never scoff... and I don't recall I've ever called you fanboy...
There are more ways to incapacitate a limb than to tear it out of it's socket - which is why I'm asking whether Wolverine would be able to move his arm if the muscle, nerve, etc. is torn off.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well I have been drinkin... 😂
Jinzin I never scoff... and I don't recall I've ever called you fanboy...
There are more ways to incapacitate a limb than to tear it out of it's socket - which is why I'm asking whether Wolverine would be able to move his arm if the muscle, nerve, etc. is torn off.

😂

scoff? okay disreguard then...whatever you wish to call it.

and I never said YOU call me a fanboy...you're one of the few and I've commended you on it in the past, once again your making assumptions on things that I have no intention of conveying.

well we were discussing the tear an arm out of it's socket strategy, which is why the "bonded bones" argument started up all over again.

so do you concede that it is outside of collosus' capabilities to do now?

as for the muscles and nerves being removed...I'd have to say hell no...though he may be able to flail them via ace ventura but little else than that..the problem is getting close enough to either sabes or wolvie to try that without getting scewered.

Wolverine has hinges you fools, HINGES!

or glue!!

🤨 did you just insinuate that I'm gay?

like I said..i'm just providing options for an explaination since people can't just accept things as a part of wolvie's chracter...i don't see anyone else coming up with anything better..

No....I honestly think he has hinges. Look at anything that deals with his bones(after he's died or been stripped of flesh) and the bones are always hooked together. He's got something that holds them together.

The pic was there because it makes me happy.

Originally posted by long pig
No....I honestly think he has hinges. Look at anything that deals with his bones(after he's died or been stripped of flesh) and the bones are always hooked together. He's got something that holds them together.

The pic was there because it makes me happy.

oh ok....I was like..."what...the...hell...?"

Originally posted by long pig
Wolverine has hinges you fools, HINGES!

or glue!!

Come off the defensive, not everyone is against you, ol' fellah. 😄

Originally posted by long pig
Come off the defensive, not everyone is against you, ol' fellah. 😄

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oh no...I'm getting as paranoid as cordera...next thing you know I'll be ranting on about "j-haters". 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
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oh no...I'm getting as paranoid as cordera...next thing you know I'll be ranting on about "j-haters". 🙄

Your stupidity astounds me, you are completely inable to detect any sarcasm period, furthermore you spend more time whining about something when you are unable to discuss it.

I had this same discussion with you, and the only retort you offered was "just because you don't like it....", pro wolverine arguments are ridiculous, and you annoy people by saying they hate him and don't listen to ANYTHING you say.

Reminds me of that tournament, 6 people, SIX, voted for you before it started. No complaints.

You lost the tournament and started whining, you wonder why you annoy people, its because you are a poor loser, and whine like a child.

Paranoid no not really, there are people who follow me around to start fights, and they've been dealt with one way or another. Much like yourself.

Werent you ranting on about how you were glad that everyone didn't hate you? I guess thats paranoid then... 😮‍💨