Originally posted by jinzinHulk shows his huge strength. Hulk shows his huge strength. Hulk shows his huge strength. Hulk fights Wolverine and can't knock Wolverine out? Hmm... am I supposed to take Hulk not knocking out Wolverine?
why do some showings have more validity than others in your opinion?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If Hulk is lowered in comparison to his others showings it is PIS. Hulk is lowered in comparison to his other showings many times. Each time it is still PIS.
And the reason we think that the Hulk is even lowered in the first place is because Wolverine isn't koed by him in one hit... which brings us back to jinzin's point about people arguing what they think a character is capable of and not what they have been shown to be capable of. Seriously there isn't anything to suggest that Hulk has been water down to fight Wolverine, he operates EXACTLY the same as he does when he fights bricks. The only reason is you don't think Wolverine should be able to take the hits in the first... and the only reason you've given for that is that Marvel hasn't officially stated he could on there bios or handbooks...
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And the reason we think that the Hulk is even lowered in the first place is because Wolverine isn't koed by him in one hit... which brings us back to jinzin's point about people arguing what they think a character is capable of and not what they have been shown to be capable of. Seriously there isn't anything to suggest that Hulk has been water down to fight Wolverine, he operates EXACTLY the same as he does when he fights bricks. The only reason is you don't think Wolverine should be able to take the hits in the first... and the only reason you've given for that is that Marvel hasn't officially stated he could on there bios or handbooks...
or the fact that hes the size of a normal human, with organs, muscle and a general human physiology...
Originally posted by srankmissingninWhich other bricks are you talking about? Other cl100 characters with considerable feats that don't KO Wolverine for no apparent reason?
And the reason we think that the Hulk is even lowered in the first place is because Wolverine isn't koed by him in one hit... which brings us back to jinzin's point about people arguing what they think a character is capable of and not what they have been shown to be capable of. Seriously there isn't anything to suggest that Hulk has been water down to fight Wolverine, he operates EXACTLY the same as he does when he fights bricks. The only reason is you don't think Wolverine should be able to take the hits in the first... and the only reason you've given for that is that Marvel hasn't officially stated he could on there bios or handbooks...
Originally posted by srankmissingninHe takes damage like a human, and is capable of dying due to excessive bloodloss, organs, etc.
And the reason we think that the Hulk is even lowered in the first place is because Wolverine isn't koed by him in one hit... which brings us back to jinzin's point about people arguing what they think a character is capable of and not what they have been shown to be capable of. Seriously there isn't anything to suggest that Hulk has been water down to fight Wolverine, he operates EXACTLY the same as he does when he fights bricks. The only reason is you don't think Wolverine should be able to take the hits in the first... and the only reason you've given for that is that Marvel hasn't officially stated he could on there bios or handbooks...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Where is this rule
No SvFL
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWhat you don't seem to understand, or rather not except is that the argument between your and I is not about "real world physics" vs "comic book physics" But it is instead based on the necessity of using some sort of "logical parameters" when debating.
And the reason we think that the Hulk is even lowered in the first place is because Wolverine isn't koed by him in one hit... which brings us back to jinzin's point about people arguing what they think a character is capable of and not what they have been shown to be capable of. Seriously there isn't anything to suggest that Hulk has been water down to fight Wolverine, he operates EXACTLY the same as he does when he fights bricks. The only reason is you don't think Wolverine should be able to take the hits in the first... and the only reason you've given for that is that Marvel hasn't officially stated he could on there bios or handbooks...
As Farseer pointed out, comic books are chalk full of inconsistancies and plot devices, so determining outcomes of battles on a character's "history" alone does not make make for a logical style of argumentation. Instead, it creates a circular-illogical one. Using a character's stats helps one to determine which scenarios should be deemed credible arguments, and which one's should not.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hulk shows his huge strength. Hulk shows his huge strength. Hulk shows his huge strength. Hulk fights Wolverine and can't knock Wolverine out? Hmm... am I supposed to take Hulk not knocking out Wolverine?
wolverine shows ability to stand up to huge strength, wolverine shows ability to stand up to huge strength, wolverine shows ability to stand up to huge strength, wolverine fights hulk...and it doesn't change for the purposes of that fight....
you your own rational .........well.......yeah.... 😕
Originally posted by CreshoskI know that, I don't see your point, its what he has shown he is incapable of.
No SvFLSpiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
What you don't seem to understand, or rather not except is that the argument between your and I is not about "real world physics" vs "comic book physics" But it is instead based on the necessity of using some sort of "logical parameters" when debating.
As Farseer pointed out, comic books are chalk full of inconsistancies and plot devices, so determining outcomes of battles on a character's "history" alone does not make make for a logical style of argumentation. Instead, it creates a circular-illogical one. Using a character's stats helps one to determine which scenarios should be deemed credible arguments, and which one's should not.