Colossus vs. Sabertooth

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Which other character are you referring to? The Wonder Woman who goes rounds with Superman but apparently cannot KO Wolverine in your eyes? The Hulk who lifts mountains but apparently cannot KO Wolverine in your eyes? Do tell...

Its stupid really, we must ONLY look at wolverine's history, the very own characters that fight him historys dont count, because we want wolvigod.

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Originally posted by jinzin
Okay lets get some facts straight right off the bat......In Wolverine's first encounter with the hulk, wolverine got hit not by one but two sucker shots, the first being that he was slammed to the ground with enough force to shatter the chains that bound him.
Wolverine has beaten the Hulk in Hulk 8, (yes it was with the help of natural gas in the face, but it's still a victory in much the same way spiderman "beat" juggernaught in their first encounter,,,,esp. since wolverine was sportin bone claws and survived a few full on shots fom the hulk that sent him airborne.). then........wolverine did almost kill the Hulk back in wolverine 145. wolverine also kind of won in the marvel knight wolverine ulk 4 part mini, he didn't win in a fight, but he took more punishment than the hulk did. THEN,,, wolverine more than held his own against a hugely pissed off hulk in inc hulk 345 (I think). Now I do agree, however, that Hulk can smash wolverine, absolutely..... into a big grody red spot, but the fact still remains (as is true for most Wolvie vs. fights) that one good claw swipe to the vitals and the fight takes a different direction. Wolverine's fought Hulk numerous times and they've beaten, and stalemated eachother pretty evenly. The entire avengers have problems facing the Hulk, I think it's damned impressive that wolverine can hold him by his own.

To say that wolverine can't take punches from WW is somewhat ignorant of many of his past showings I mean I understand that he's been written very inconsistantly standing up to shots from namor, tossing vision into a van, almost killing hulk, putting thing down in one blow, and knocking abomination uncounsious in one book, and then getting beaten with two stabs, KOed by an old guy in slippers, and put down by a flick to the face from thing in the next. However, if this fight's to remain interesting in the least I'm assuming we're talking about wolverine on one of his "good days". I agree that WW would probably hand wolverine his little hairy ass to him, but the fact still remains, she don't have a hulk healing factor, or superman durability, one decent shot from logan to...anything and this fight ain't so one sided anymore.
Is wolverine gonna hit diana? who knows in comic book fights....it's circumstantial (I mean batman shouldn't even be able to lay a hand on supes,,,,but he's knocked him out with a punch, and even beat him up as an old man. Kripto or not, supes should be moving way to fast for bats to even lay a finger, but it's happened.) To say that "WW getting tagged by wolverine is out of the question" is slightly ignorant of comic books in general. For a little guy that's caught a character capable of moving at light speed, and richocheted (can't remember his name right now,,,,he bounces around at ridiculously fast speeds) I would say wolverine hitting the amazon is plausible.
Will wolverine lose? it's the most likely result.
can wolverine slice WW open like a can of tuna? iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiindeeeeeed.

p.s. you guys may hate fan boys....I'm not big "fan" of em myself. But whatsmore, I hate it when people make retarded assumptions about things despite characters past showings (at least when it's not a joke). WW's punches are not going to eradicate wolvie's flesh from his bones and wolverine isn't cutting through anything if or when he gets lassoed like a calf...... and that's that. "

"Unfortunately you COMPLETELY wasted your time because this ISN'T comics. This a forum where CIS and PIS is ignored.

You need to stop amping up lightweighters beyond their abilities."
-Draco 69

Originally posted by pr1983
Ok, guys, i want this to end, this isnt hulk v wolverine...

FACT: Hulk is class 100...

FACT: Logan is barely class 2...

The force of a hulk punch should kill or at the very LEAST do major organ damage to wolverine, yet it doesnt... why? I believe its more to do with writing than actual genuinely fair writing...

because the hulk has gone toe to toe with onslaught and held his own... he is too strong for his punches not to do the damage they can do...


actually it does mess up his organs..in one hulk fight it was commented on how hulk's punches were liquidizing wolverine's organs..turning them to insta-jello..but logans' adreniline was kicked up so high that his healing factor healed them before hulk landed the next punch.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Which other character are you referring to? The Wonder Woman who goes rounds with Superman but apparently cannot KO Wolverine in your eyes? The Hulk who lifts mountains but apparently cannot KO Wolverine in your eyes? Do tell...
WEll obviously if the Hulk hits with the force to destroy mountains, and he can't, with any frequency knock out wolverine. then doesn't it stand to reason that Wolverine takes mroe force than it takes to destroy a mountain to knock out?

if H>M and H!>W then M!>W?

H=2 M=1

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In other words Hulk is suffering from some major PIS.

we've seen him fight the juggernaut, the thing, and abomination... the force he would hit them with would kill most humans instantly... are we supposed to believe he pulls his punches?

Originally posted by jinzin
actually it does mess up his organs..in one hulk fight it was commented on how hulk's punches were liquidizing wolverine's organs..turning them to insta-jello..but logans' adreniline was kicked up so high that his healing factor healed them before hulk landed the next punch.

Now that is just dumb... considering most human organs cant be healed at all after major damage, he heals instantly?

Originally posted by Creshosk
WEll obviously if the Hulk hits with the force to destroy mountains, and he can't, with any frequency knock out wolverine. then doesn't it stand to reason that Wolverine takes mroe force than it takes to destroy a mountain to knock out?

if H>M and H!>W then M!>W?

H=2 M=1

What the hell are you talking about? You're filibustering arguments are tedious.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In other words Hulk is suffering from some major PIS.
And Wolverine has SVFL right? 😖hifty:

Firelord who travels through space and stars and has the power cosmic. . gets taken out by Spiderman. . .

Firelord is suffering from some Major PIS there too isn't he?

Originally posted by pr1983
we've seen him fight the juggernaut, the thing, and abomination... the force he would hit them with would kill most humans instantly... are we supposed to believe he pulls his punches?

Now that is just dumb... considering most human organs cant be healed at all after major damage, he heals instantly?

not instantly..just really really really fast...especially when his adreniline is kicked up.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What the hell are you talking about? You're filibustering arguments are tedious.
amen...

answering everything with a question, and not proving a point.

Not the hulk that shattered an aesteroid.

Jinzin already said hulk could ko wolverine...

Originally posted by Creshosk
then doesn't it stand to reason that Wolverine takes mroe force than it takes to destroy a mountain to knock out?

erm no... just cos football team a beats team b and team b beats c, doesnt mean team a automatically beats c...

Originally posted by jinzin
not instantly..just really really really fast...especially when his adreniline is kicked up.
bull, you already EXPLICITLY stated that wolverine couldn't take a punch from hulk without falling out...

Originally posted by pr1983
we've seen him fight the juggernaut, the thing, and abomination... the force he would hit them with would kill most humans instantly... are we supposed to believe he pulls his punches?

Now that is just dumb... considering most human organs cant be healed at all after major damage, he heals instantly?

You seem to be under the impression that Wolverine's healing factor is just an enhanced version of a normal humans... when it is so much more.

Originally posted by jinzin
not instantly..just really really really fast...especially when his adreniline is kicked up.

it would have to be instantaneous to be between punches... and how the hell could his body function with liquidised organs?

Originally posted by pr1983
erm no... just cos football team a beats team b and team b beats c, doesnt mean team a automatically beats c...

right...then you have to go by direct comparisons.....going by that.....

Originally posted by Creshosk
And Wolverine has SVFL right? 😖hifty:

Firelord who travels through space and stars and has the power cosmic. . gets taken out by Spiderman. . .

Firelord is suffering from some Major PIS there too isn't he?

The frequency of the event means it no longer falls under the jurisdiction of SvFL. However PIS still applies no matter how often PIS occurs. Live with it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What the hell are you talking about? You're filibustering arguments are tedious.

I'm saying that if hulk can take out mountains, and he can't take out wolverine, then the force needed to take out wolverine would be greater than the force needed to take out a mountain.

If mister Smith can take out trees, and he can't take out Juggernaut, then wouldn't it take more than the force needed to take out trees to take out Juggernaut?

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Originally posted by Creshosk
And Wolverine has SVFL right? 😖hifty:

Firelord who travels through space and stars and has the power cosmic. . gets taken out by Spiderman. . .

Firelord is suffering from some Major PIS there too isn't he?

Like I said, the dye...

This isn't a point, you are tangeting your ass off.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You seem to be under the impression that Wolverine's healing factor is just an enhanced version of a normal humans... when it is so much more.

im not... not at all... ive read plenty of xmen comics to know that theyve varied his healing factor constantly...

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Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm saying that if hulk can take out mountains, and he can't take out wolverine, then the force needed to take out wolverine would be greater than the force needed to take out a mountain.

If mister Smith can take out trees, and he can't take out Juggernaut, then wouldn't it take more than the force needed to take out trees to take out Juggernaut?

He's saying that it makes perfect sense, because it helps his argument...