Originally posted by Darth Faunus
TPM Obi and Maul taking Sidious. . . I suppose that's how the Emperor slew three Jedi Masters in six, seven seconds flat, right? But of course, Maul pwns all with a double-bladed saber, so screw everyone else.
And thanks Sorgo.
Hmm thats absolute bullshit.
Maul was an apprentice somebody who would not stand a chance against sidious.
Sidious pwned those Jedi Masters yeah he took them by surprise, but they were still idiots and fools and even the one that saw it coming died fast. Sidious is far from the best but he isn't bad either.
Maul killed QGJ yeah your point being? QGJ was according to his probably a bit biased apprentice at the level of the councillors, this was in TPM before times of war, those councillors would only have improved during the clone wars. So the only way we have of measuring QGJ his power is by a few fools that died easily against Sidious. And this was when they were more powerful then when QGJ was compared to them.
Meaning
TPM councillor = QGJ
Rots Councillor > TPM Councillor
Sidious > 3 Rots Councillors.
When you look at what they did at least.
Now Maul defeated one but he took a shit load of time and could never hope to stand against a fully powered Jedi Master, if you would have thrown Mace or Yoda or Rots Obi at him he would have died in mere seconds, he's good but he's not that good.
And TPM Obi? Don't make me laugh he'd be kicked away with the force the first second of the fight. Sidious isn't stupid, he underestimates his opponents yeah sure but he would sure as hell take this fight and with ease. These three just don't stand a chance against somebody on Sidious his level.
One thing that needs to be cleared up as of now....
The Jedi Masters expected Sidious perfectly well. They had their sabers lit and knew they were facing a Sith Lord. Agen Kolar expected it, Sassee expected it when he raised his saber to Sidious' back and Kit Fisto expected it when he tried to bring a downward swing on Sidious only to have his chest slashed.
Originally posted by Sorgo
One thing that needs to be cleared up as of now....The Jedi Masters expected Sidious perfectly well. They had their sabers lit and knew they were facing a Sith Lord. Agen Kolar expected it, Sassee expected it when he raised his saber to Sidious' back and Kit Fisto expected it when he tried to bring a downward swing on Sidious only to have his chest slashed.
They expected a fight, they should have seen it coming fact is they were caught of guard. Yeah a really foolish mistake and something that speaks heavily against them because it obviously means they can't fight worth shit. But it doesn't speak to much in Sidious his favor either. Except for the fact that he could perhaps move faster then the Jedi could follow but thats a unsupported guess at best.
Originally posted by Fishy
They expected a fight, they should have seen it coming fact is they were caught of guard. Yeah a really foolish mistake and something that speaks heavily against them because it obviously means they can't fight worth shit. But it doesn't speak to much in Sidious his favor either. Except for the fact that he could perhaps move faster then the Jedi could follow but thats a unsupported guess at best.
Except being able to move faster? Sidious moving faster equalized the death of three Jedi Masters.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Uh, if you didn't notice:
A. Those Jedi Masters were caught by surprise
B. Maul defeated Qui-Gon Jinn, thus proving how powerful he is
C. When using the Dark Side Obi-Wan became more powerful than Qui-Gon Jinn, thus proving how powerful he becameAnd thanks Sorgo.
A) How the hell is this? The four of them are standing there, weapons ignited, while Sidious is still facing the opposing window. As soon as Sidious charges them, they put themselves into combat stances. Agen Kolar gets run through in a single thrust, Saesee, on the backhanded swipe, and Kit, after a few moments of sparring, by a slash across the chest. They were all ready. Sidious is just. . . good.
B) Big whoop. He got chopped in half by a Padawan. Arrogance? Yes. But Obi-Wan actually had something on him, chopping apart his saber like that.
C) Obi-Wan never used the Dark Side. Aggression doesn't equal Dark Side. Jinn was sixty. Obi-Wan, twenty-five. There's obviously going be a physical difference in their combat effectiveness.
Here's how it plays out:
The trio rush Sidious. He leaps up with a spastic spin, screaming his ass off. A single swipe rids Maul of one end of his saber, and a kick throws him to the ground, as the Jedis' strikes are parried simultaneously. Thrusting upward, the Dark Lord dislodges their weapons from his, and with one hand, grips Obi-Wan in Dark Side energy, strangling him. With his swordarm, he slashes outwards catching the still stumbling Jinn in the throat, killing him. As Maul leaps back up to strike down his seemingly vulnerable Master, he hears Obi-Wan's neck snap, and sees the Padawan's limp body fall to the ground. As Sidious' saber parries his strike, he curses himself for his stupidity. It's the last thing to ever cross the mind of Darth Maul, for Palpatine's next swing cleaves straight through his collarbone, into his heart.
And note that this occurs in, oh, six seconds. Read it, and play it through in your mind. . . That's sick.
A) How the hell is this? The four of them are standing there, weapons ignited, while Sidious is still facing the opposing window. As soon as Sidious charges them, they put themselves into combat stances. Agen Kolar gets run through in a single thrust, Saesee, on the backhanded swipe, and Kit, after a few moments of sparring, by a slash across the chest. They were all ready. Sidious is just. . . good.
C) Obi-Wan never used the Dark Side. Aggression doesn't equal Dark Side. Jinn was sixty. Obi-Wan, twenty-five. There's obviously going be a physical difference in their combat effectiveness.
Sidious is good, but not anywwhere near capable of handling all three of them. Maul and Obi-Wan's speed already nearly match Sidious's. Sidious isn't an excellent dueler, as many people here have pointed out. He's good, but not excellent.
TPM councillor = QGJ
Rots Councillor > TPM Councillor
Sidious > 3 Rots Councillors.
Yeah, but Two of the Councilors Sidious beat were lame as hell. And I guess by your logic Saesee Tiin (ROTS) could beat Yoda (TPM), right?
I belive Sidious takes this with quite ease. Yoda, probably the most powerful force user in the whole PT had trouble deflecting Sidious lightning, I bet a Padawan, a Sith apprentice (who we havent seen use any special force powers) and an old jedi master has no chance in hell to deflect it. Even if someone survives he has to face Sidious in battle and is extremly weakend from the lightning and will be killed easy because Sidious is a better swordsman than any of them at this time.