Revan vs Kreia(sorry if this seems stupid)

The force power learning thing was just an excuse for the cut Sith Holocron sequence.

The Holocron in Uthar's room was supposed to teach you them.

Originally posted by Lord Janus
No, the real problem is that if Kreia used the Exile to channel the power, it is the exile who would receive the feedback. And perhaps... perhaps, you're on to something.

After all, the Exile does learn his or her final force power at this point.

And if this is the case, if Kreia can NOT use that ability without using the Exile as a channeler, then she is no longer an instakill power character. Not weak by any means, and certainly not so weak that Revan would out and out dominate her, but it does take some air out of her sails.

Well yeah, and it doesn't seem so unlikely to me actually. You once said something about the body's being devoid of the force or something. I don't remember exactly. According to all we know Kreia can not simply the drain the force out of somebody, only two people can do that. The Exile and Nihilus so if they are indeed without the force then it was the Exile that killed them.

Do you remember what was said when you look at the body's? It could help.

I can't remeber the quote but it described them as being "devoid of the force."

Then I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kreia used the Exile to kill them... Seems logical she would not be able to use that power herself.

It does. But until it's verified, we have to also entertain the other possibility- that she CAN use that power. After all, she did train both Nihilus and the Exile, and she knew almost quite intimately the effects of the power.

Yes, you could say that she used the Sith knowledge on Malachor V to nurture Nihilus' talent, and he then taught it to the Sith Assassins.

Originally posted by Lord Janus
It does. But until it's verified, we have to also entertain the other possibility- that she CAN use that power. After all, she did train both Nihilus and the Exile, and she knew almost quite intimately the effects of the power.

Could be but she herself said it was a technique that could not be learned. She talks about it only when refering to Nihilus and the Exile and says that they have it, nobody else is ever mentioned. I don't know if she literally said that they are the only two but it was implied at the very least.

Now Kreia could have the power yes, its a possibility she sure as hell has a lot of power, but I seriously doubt it. I see no evidence for it at all, and I can't think of a reason for why she would have it either.

She says that the Sith assassins are like lesser versions of Nihilus. Nihilus is what each of those assassins could become.

She says that? When how? Do you have a quote? Preferably of the entire conversation.

No, she does say that. If you have the influence, question her about the sith and their natures. Be sure to ask about Nihilus. She does say that. Nihilus is merely the pinnacle of the Malachor V Sith teachings. Obviously the technique that is taught is the ability to drain the Force from the others. But what the exile and Nihilus have are extremes of a learned ability. In particular, theirs is different because of their natures. And they are stark opposites- The Exile forms passive bonds with people, while Nihilus drains them dry, even over time, poisoning their shells before leaving them devoid of will and life. So Kreia is not lying when she says that Nihilus' powers cannoy be learned; she's being honest. No one has achieved those powers aside from the Exile and his shade, Nihilus.

And note that while the Sith assassins, as Kreia notes, grow in power because they feed off of nearby Force user's powers, they do not actually drain or kill them by doing so. Only Kreia, their now undisputed master, can use the ability to such an extreme. And still she is a step or five below the exile and Nihilus.

True.

This is an interesting theory indeed.

ohh okay that would explain. Don't remember ever hearing that, but then again its been some time since I played Kotor 2. Oh well at least it makes sence and it doesn't destroy any of my theory's about Nihilus.

It's all I can think of. While I did like the twist that Kreia used the Exile to kill all the jedi at once, and it does make a lot of sense... There was still room left for Kreia to do the ability herself. And I think they did that on purpose.

Yes, what didn't make sense was Kreia's sentient holocron in Atris' chamber.

Say again? I don't recall that at this moment.

Is there any differances in the game storyline if you play as a male as opposed to a female? Because I played as a female(only for the Atton diolouges which were hilarious)and I hate KOTOR 2 as it is. The gameplay is to much like KOTOR 1 and the cut ending ruined the whole experience for me.

Yes, it is different. Play it again.

Originally posted by Lord Janus
Say again? I don't recall that at this moment.

When you have defeated Atris, that Holocron that talks to you.