Lucifer and Michael vs. Great Evil Beast

well Preacher is not in DC continuity so that doesn't really count. The GOD everyone is probably talking about is The Word which is GOD in DC. Yahweh tho is still more powerful then The Presence and TGEB, The Presence is THE HOLY SPIRIT, it is Life/Hope/Light, everything was created by The Presence. without The Presence there is only Darkness/The Great Beast.

here is how it should be.
1. Yahweh
2. The Presence/The Great Beast/The Source"TOAA" Gods Will
3. The Word GOD,/Lucifer/Michael
4. The Spectre/The Living Tribunal

the main reason ppl/beings don't say Jehovah or Yahweh very much is because it is considered to holy to be spoken so everyone must use other names for him, that is why ppl call him The Presence, abstract of Yahweh.

So Marvel TOAA=Yahweh

Originally posted by Xplosive
So Marvel TOAA=Yahweh

It seems so.

Well done Kevdude you've cleared up a lot of things for everyone.

The Divine name of Keter/The Crown is Eheieh (I Am) which is rendered as Pure Being, Holy Spirit or Presence.

Just a lil extra info for you all. 😉

So only Yahweh and TOAA are trully almighty and are/is the God we are refering as trully almighty.
Then behind them it's The Presence.

Originally posted by Xplosive
So only Yahweh and TOAA are trully almighty and are/is the God we are refering as trully almighty.
Then behind them it's The Presence.

The Presence is just an aspect of Yahweh as are the Source and the Word.

The Presence is a Kaballah related take on the whole God thing and is also referred to as the Crown. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Presence is just an aspect of Yahweh as are the Source and the Word.

The Presence is a Kaballah related take on the whole God thing and is also referred to as the Crown. 😉

Yes, I thought so and I wanted to say, isn't Phoneix Force like that. Then we should compare Phoenix Force to The Presnece.

Marvel wise in creation phoenix is the origin of all that is. The natural beginning and end, the life force of creation. That is why in the crossover Phoenix was shown to be one and the same as the Source.

However Jean as Phoenix works for the Crown which by definition is the consciousness of God the point where the mind becomes one with the unmanifest, unknowable God. The Crown is also known as Keter and the Presence.

DC follows Kaballah principles as well believe it or not.

whats Kaballah ??

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
whats Kaballah ??

Its an offshoot of Judaism.

Oh, thus the Old Testament in the Bible ??

Anyway, lets start a new thread........... check the forums for my latest work !!!

Just my opinion:

Yahweh/TOAA
Presence(The Crown)/ TGEB/The Source(Phoenix Force)
Lucifer/Michael/White Crown Phoenix/
Living Tribunal/Spectre

NNice............

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Just my opinion:

Yahweh/TOAA
Presence(The Crown)/ TGEB/The Source(Phoenix Force)
Lucifer/Michael/White Crown Phoenix/
Living Tribunal/Spectre

Could be right.

I hope it is !!

Yahweh/TOAA
Presence(The Crown)/ TGEB/The Source
Lucifer/Michael/Saint of Killers
Living Tribunal/Spectre given the ok/Phoenix force/

Originally posted by supremthor
Yahweh/TOAA
Presence(The Crown)/ TGEB/The Source
Lucifer/Michael/Saint of Killers
Living Tribunal/Spectre given the ok/Phoenix force/

You're forgetting that in crossovers the Phoenix Force is depicted as The Source and you havent made a mention of the White Crown Phoenix at all. The avatars/ the phoenixes draw their power from the Crown which is another name for the Presence.

Yahweh/TOAA
Presence(The Crown)/TGEB/The Source(ThePhoenix Force)
Lucifer/Michael/White Crown Phoenix (Jean)
Living Tribunal/Spectre

TOAA is The Source, they both are aspects of Yahweh used by him for the creation of the omniverse, TOAA"The SOURCE" is Gods Will, the Creators manifested power for the creation for all of reality. the Phoenix Force went directly into The Source, that is telling everyone IT IS TOAA without saying its TOAA.

this is how I view it should be:
1. YHWH = The Father
2. The Presence/The Source"TOAA"/TGEB
3. The Word/Lucifer/Michael
4. The Spectre/The Living Tribunal/The Phoenix Force
5. Imperiex Prime he is the embodiment of Entropy and Entropy is Eternitys younger brother which will replace Eternity someday.

AT IT AGAIN GS? {i wonder why just about everyone stoppped talkin when u started, hmmm, must be my imagination}

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You're forgetting that in crossovers the Phoenix Force is depicted as The Source and you havent made a mention of the White Crown Phoenix at all. The avatars/ the phoenixes draw their power from the Crown which is another name for the Presence.

Yahweh/TOAA
Presence(The Crown)/TGEB/The Source(ThePhoenix Force)
Lucifer/Michael/White Crown Phoenix (Jean)
Living Tribunal/Spectre

you have a point my bad but i still wouldnt place the ThePhoenix Force above lucifer and michael may in the same league but not above them in terms of power. michel is the power of god and lucifer is the brains of god. michael is above way above lucifer in terms of power but lucifer prove u dont have to be powerful to win ur battels.wats i saying is ThePhoenix Force MAYBE more powerful then lucifer but shes not more powerful then michael.

Originally posted by kevdude
TOAA is The Source, they both are aspects of Yahweh used by him for the creation of the omniverse, TOAA"The SOURCE" is Gods Will, the Creators manifested power for the creation for all of reality. the Phoenix Force went directly into The Source, that is telling everyone IT IS TOAA without saying its TOAA.

this is how I view it should be:
1. YHWH = The Father
2. The Presence/The Source"TOAA"/TGEB
3. The Word/Lucifer/Michael
4. The Spectre/The Living Tribunal/The Phoenix Force
5. Imperiex Prime he is the embodiment of Entropy and Entropy is Eternitys younger brother which will replace Eternity someday.

TOAA is not the Source. It has never been revealed. Marvels equivalent of The Source as was made very clear in the crossover is the Phoenix Force.

The DC "god/angel thing" is based on kaballistic principles just like Marvel. The Presence equals Marvels Crown. They are the same thing just a different name is used. Kind of like puma and cougar. You need merely read up on the subject.

Phoenix Force is the creation power of the Crown. The White Crown Phoenix is the avatar of the Crown/Presence who does its bidding, who makes creation and maintains the creation cycle.

Yahweh and TOAA are the same thing for each comic book company

The Presence by its definition and by the principles behind it has a counterpart in Marvel which is the Crown (The source of the Phoenix power)

The White Crown Phoenix(Jean) is an avatar of the Crown a representation of gods will and power within creation. It is this that makes creation and ends it. All according to the will of the Crown.

Yahweh/TOAA
Presence(The Crown)/TGEB/The Source(ThePhoenix Force)
Lucifer/Michael/White Crown Phoenix (Jean)
Living Tribunal/Spectre