Solid Snake Vs Spiderman

Originally posted by Metalmanx
It still doesn't matter. None of them bring the to table everything that Spiderman has in one package. There's just no getting around that.

Spiderman easily wins. EFFORTLESSLY. Snake's not even at Punisher's level. See, now if it were Punisher, than I would actually have some doubts for ol' Spidey and say that he would have to really work for it.

But it's Snake. So Spiderman wins effortlessly.

punisher is an insect to snake, just like all the other advanced armie punks that hes stepped over.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I am just hoping you'll listen so I won't have to walk you through this another time.

1. I didn't call you a fanboy.
2. Learn what precognitive senses are and APPLY it.
3. Please learn the characters you debate.
4. Please go by KMC rules.

Yes

I haven't cutted and pasted any damn thing but the plot device argument, because some lead me to believe they are so dense around here, that they don't understand what that is when they debate.

Some furthermore lead me to believe that they don't know much about spiderman, or they would see he wins this EVEN easier than he does against batman.

All of your points have been covered, every single one of them, the problem is the snake supporting side is having such ignorance, that this is like pointing my head against a wall.

I don't need lessons in how to win a debate, last I checked I won just about all of them.

What you seem to not understand, or rather not accept, is that there should be certain logical parameters while debating.

This isn't real world logic vs comic logic, all I wanted to know was how and why snake was winning.

Your entire argument supported the "when" premise.

Did I say you didn't say that, go and point to me where I stated this.

You cannot because I did not, you are so quick to assume I was saying you were a snake fanboy and didn't let spiderman win or something, I think you need to lie down, because its obvious you missed my entire point completely.

No, its actually not.

Snake's element is surprise, spiderman is fighting at his best here, no holding back, but within character.

Is this a stealth mission, no, snake is great but he is SEVERLY disadvantaged here.

Spiderman is MUCH more likely to get a hit in than snake, why is this so hard to understand?

If you read this you are going to say I'm going in circles because of a fundamental difference, let me guess thats what you typed below.

I'm pyschic!!! I think the fundamental difference is you not fully listening to what I say, and arguing on tangents, and not understanding spiderman to well.

No, here's the fault within your argument.

1.) This is a random match, so they can't prepare themselves.

2.) Snake has weapons, and I've well been over this, but snake is only using ONE of them at a time, and he has to take precious seconds to cycle through them.

3.) Snake can only carry so many weapons.

Do tell.

Random match.. check

Its a random match man, there is no mission unless otherwise stated, no wonder this forum is trash, noone even knows the rules.

The location is a minor difference, it would allow spiderman to adhere to surfaces and use the environment as weapons anyways.

Like I said he's only using one weapon at a time, and he can only hold so many, I'm even giving him the ben of the doubt here...

Spiderman and snake are themselves, but trying to fight at their best, they are within character.

So do I...

Do I really need to put up plot device definition AGAIN, or will you realize that the situation isn't the one speculated in this particular matchup.

CIS is included in these matches, just because you don't understand the rules, doesn't mean I won't adhere to them.

Luckily this is spiderman's flaw, he can't kill someone, but he can incapacitate/ko/remove them from the area.

PIS doesn't count here, and shouldn't matter, because this isn't a history match.

Leave the intangibles home please.

Spiderman is 15x faster than a human with an early alert system.

1. nades are dumb
2. they can hurt the user
3. the user can't use them up close
4. spiderman can web his weapons away
5. he can web the knife from him, snake shouldn't get up close.

Here we go with the plot devices once again, EACH of the fighters are at their best.

After all, spiderman beat thor and firelord right?

These people would OWN snake.

This is your ignoring me, or your refusal to.

I never called you a fanboy, jesus.

That was at someone else...

It won't because you are just ignoring everything else, and reading the italics, it won't make a difference.

To [b]you.

The word should be barely.

You've ignored ALL the points here, you don't know what precognition is, you ignored all the questions, you seem to know little about spiderman, and furthermore, you dont know the rules or the conditions to a random matchup.

Do you know what random means?

No, I don't really. I feel like people want other characters to win, I"m giving my objective opinion.

Using facts, and not intangibles.

Using rules, and not what suits my argument.

Using points, and not some third grade ramblings.

Knowing my character.

And LISTENING.

Take care, I hope you don't feel like you've owned me or taught me a lesson.

I've broken ALL of everyones posts here tonight, and noone's made a counter, not a single one.

They've only bitched and whined and complained as usual.

If you can successfully counter this, then good luck.

😮‍💨 [/B]

Still nothing new on your end. I hope you certainly don't feel as if you owned anything. A character who owns armies of enhanced/magical/cyberneticly (is that even a word?) skilled people and hops on missles while perfectly aiming and blasting is not what I would call 'human' anymore. Victories are not always plot devices, and I see you don't understand SS very well at all, nor his enemies. I've laid down more than one victory situation for snake. Glad you got the point about my saying Spideys victory.
You say I barely follow forum rules, yet Snake has no element of surprise and barely any weapons. Doesnt sound like both characters are in their element. I believe you got it wrong buddy.
I also see you are confused and don't understand my points and seem to think I don't understand yours. Therefore repetition has gone in.
I believe you truly aren't understanding the characters, but then again, you beileve the same of me.
Things are still going in circles. You get points for patience, which is something I was not blessed with.
So.... I'll keep it as we agree to disagree. So people will see logic in my side, and some will see yours.

idd like to add sumthing here, ive been a spidey fan for as long as ive been a marvel fan, i am not biased in my oppinion.

I could join in this thread and say why SM wins even blindfolded, but Tha C-Master is doing a good job.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Still nothing new on your end. I hope you certainly don't feel as if you owned anything.

Nothing new? Ive explained explicitly everything you put on the table, and looking at the premise of your arguments, all I see is "snake beat xxx", so he's COOL and he can WIN!!!

You aren't as bad as the other guy, and I didn't say I owned you, if you feel that I said that you are more than welcome to point that out to me, and stop mirroring everything I say back to me, because little of this is on topic.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
A character who owns armies of enhanced/magical/cyberneticly (is that even a word?) skilled people and hops on missles while perfectly aiming and blasting is not what I would call 'human' anymore.

*Sigh*

Do I have to keep putting up the plot devices here, do we understand what this means?

I said that snake was enhanced, but he's still at the peak of human abilities, bios and stuff matter not.

I keep saying this over and over again, because you keep using these same examples over and over again.

Do you think snake can own entire armies in a random matchup?

I sure hope not, because further discussion with you would be useless, because you would have labled yourself as a fanboy.

Why does it mattered what he's labled, snake gets sick coughs, runs at human speed and everything, the games were a nod to realism in some aspects, and people keep trying to discard what snake really is, in place of "feats" that aren't even within the set rules of the forum.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Victories are not always plot devices, and I see you don't understand SS very well at all, nor his enemies

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot

That being said...

1.) I didnt say ALL of snake victories were plot devices.

2.) His victories against bosses, use some outside element to bring the story along, for instance, Snake ran away from the cyber ninja, and the ninja was weakened, and killed by a Metal Gear Rex.

3.) I wish for god that you guys will stop using game mechanics into your arguments. By your own argument.

3a) Shin Akuma loses to dan.

3b.) Superman dies by bank robbers punching him.

3c.) Sonic the hedgehog gets hit by jumping bears.

If you feel that mirroring what I say back to me, makes you feel better about your argument go ahead by all means.

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Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I've laid down more than one victory situation for snake. Glad you got the point about my saying Spideys victory.

I did, but you keep ignoring half of what I say.

Do you know what precog is?

Do you know how durable spiderman is?

Do you know spidermans current stats.

Stop using intangibles in your arguments, and stick to solid facts.

Even if snake had many weapons, he can only use ONE at a time.

I'm really giving you the ben of doubt, he loses worse than batman though.

Snakes a cool guy but lets not let that get to our head shall we?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You say I barely follow forum rules, yet Snake has no element of surprise and barely any weapons.

*Sigh*

Rules/Standard Fight Settings

In most cases, the poster who originally set up the versus fight determines the conditions of the fight itself (ex. If a character like Superman is in a thread, it'll be assumed that it's the current version unless mentioned otherwise by the thread starter, the same goes with Thanos without the IG, and so on). However, in the cases where the original poster did not set down any contraints or conditions for the fight, then the match would default to the standard rules below.

Prep time

Neither side receives any notable prep time before the starting bell. Neither side may take any offensive or defensive actions before the starting bell. Planning is allowed and powers that are automatic or 'always on' can be up, but actions such as setting up forcefields, taking flight, or consciously activating powers is not. For example, Batman cannot shove together an 'anti-Avengers ray' before the fight.

Standard Equipment

Each side starts out with the equipment that they normally and have been shown to consistently carry on them. For example, Daredevil would have his billy-club, but Reed Richards would not have the Ultimate Nullifier.
In a scenario fight, the contestants in whose city/reality the fight takes place are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them. For example, in a scenario set in the DCU, Green Lantern would have access to equipment in the JLA Watchtower, but not the Titans headquarters.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Doesnt sound like both characters are in their element. I believe you got it wrong buddy.

What does it matter then? You my friend are wrong, because it hurts your argument so much, this is a random fight, not a stealth mission, if thats the case, I would understand, but in a random match against an opponent he's never faced before, he has little to no chance.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I also see you are confused and don't understand my points and seem to think I don't understand yours.

I understood and countered your points just fine, you thought I called you a fanboy, and you thought I was saying that there were a certain stipulation for this given match.

Stop mirroring, its not really helping you.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Therefore repetition has gone in.

No, its because you keep saying the same thing.

ONCE, ONCE, have you even mentioned how snake was going to win, I reviewed this thread, and I mostly heard about how "blind' daredevil was, you did however try to stack them up.

I wanted to know how and why, you kept on giving me a "when" argument.

There's no logic behind it, I can make a list a mile long, about who beat who before.
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Titania is NOT snake, and Cyber ninja is NOT spiderman.

Just deal with that...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I believe you truly aren't understanding the characters, but then again, you beileve the same of me.

You are just mirroring, the reason I even questioned that, is because you didn't know what precognition was, and you kept applying it to characters who had no business with it.

Then you turned around, and made it seem like snake was going to slice spiderman's throat.

This parker has been a superhero for a long time, we aren't talking about teenage parker here.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Things are still going in circles. You get points for patience, which is something I was not blessed with.

The only circular argument is the fact that you continue to ignore, or rather not accept or understand, is that there are logical parameters that need to take place when you are debating.

This isn't about continuity, or history, its a theoretical argument, its what can most likely happen, not what HAS happened.

Of, relating to, or based on theory.
Restricted to theory; not practical: theoretical physics.
Given to theorizing; speculative.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So.... I'll keep it as we agree to disagree. So people will see logic in my side, and some will see yours.

Good young paddawan, you have understood afterall.

😮‍💨

Just to point out a couple things to make it interesting...
Though I really care less who wins or loses the battle...
Snake took 130mm tank shots to the chest in Twin Snakes.
Also, he defeated an opponent who could not only read minds but SEE THE FUTURE AND THE PAST in Mantis, because he could not be read once he moved his controller to port two.
And although Snake is human, he's anime-human, enough said.

History history again, spiderman kills snake in one hit, hows that sound?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
History history again, spiderman kills snake in one hit, hows that sound?

Does Spiderman hit harder than an m1A1 Cannon? I recall it being compared to "a shotgun" in your own words. I believe Abrahms is well above that level.

Originally posted by Juntai
Does Spiderman hit harder than an m1A1 Cannon? I recall it being compared to "a shotgun" in your own words.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Those were in fact my words. And they were wrong - SM hits much much harder than just "a shotgun".

If spidey hit snake, it would be over.
Spideys punches transcend a shotgun. Snake winning this fight without any prep whatsoever would almost be an act of god, snake is raw, but the fact that snakes mistakes would cost him the fight, where as spideys would not, pertty much determines the outcome. Not to say that this is completely unwinnable by snake,but given this scenario, it more than likely is

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
If spidey hit snake, it would be over.
Spideys punches transcend a shotgun. Snake winning this fight without any prep whatsoever would almost be an act of god, snake is raw, but the fact that snakes mistakes would cost him the fight, where as spideys would not, pertty much determines the outcome. Not to say that this is completely unwinnable by snake,but given this scenario, it more than likely is

Anyways, I'm just ****ing with you guys for lack of more interesting theads.

They even don't have to fight. SM is strong enough to hold Snake, while Snakes head is in a bucket filled with water.

I don't mind paying to see that happen 😉

Originally posted by who?-kid
They even don't have to fight. SM is strong enough to hold Snake, while Snakes head is in a bucket filled with water.

I don't mind paying to see that happen 😉

lol jkjk.

IS this serious, is this the same snake that dies relatively easy after getting caught?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
IS this serious, is this the same snake that dies relatively easy after getting caught?

Originally posted by Juntai
No, we mean the snake that didn't get caught, and didn't die, as that's his story, who took likely 100's of bullets got stomped by giant robots, outfistfought superbadass android dealy's who are super-speed and superstrength, take a tank shot to the chest, get up and disable it completely...and enemies who could see the future, the past and the thoughts of people all across the world.

The Snake I played with (hmm lol) fell of cliffs, was able to get a cold, had to hide in boxes in order to stay alive, always needed back up (Ottacon and such), could be killed by just a few soldiers, could be drowned, walked sometimes over his own mines and didn't understand a thing of the whole plot lol.

Thank you, snake isnt' that tough, I'm just saying the story is a big plot device mostly.

people like the realism until a debate comes around...

That's why I say : never compare comic characters with game characters.

What's next ? Hulk vs Tetris ? I bet somebody would come in here, and say that Tetris wins, because no matter how strong Hulk gets, those blocks just keep coming !! And they fall faster and faster !!!