Solid Snake Vs Spiderman

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That actually helps my argument even more.

If these took place in cutscenes, then of course they're (the developers) aren't going to kill you off when you can do nothing about it.

Think about that for a moment. Aside from the fact that he did survive these things, would you be happy if you were killed when you had no control over it? That would be it. You would just have to sit there and cry as the game kills you and you can't do a thing about it.

I've played games where you do actually die in the cinematic. . . or you are supposed to lose a fight that you do have control of.

Quite annoying, but hey . . .

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I think the problem is you know little about spiderman.

What is snake, a peak human? Thats about it...

Great you leave a few days, and you are overrun by fanboys.

Do ANY of you know who or what spiderman is and can do?

Do you know what a spidersense is, I thought now, so sit down.

there shouldn't be a use of ALL of his gadgets, because he can't carry them all at once, and spiderman gets nothing, but its not like snake can use but more than one item at the same time anyway.

This here shows you know little about spiderman, if he's invisible it doesn't matter, he has DANGER SENSE.

Unless snake is venom and can neutrulize that out, I think snake is ****ed.

I would go easy on you because you are new, but I have no time for fanboys anymore, and since you seem so smug.

Snake is a human with a few guns thats IT. There are no plot devices in comics.

Look below to learn what that is guy...

What is a plot device?

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot

In a comic debate we don't worry about intangibles, we use facts.

Spiderman is faster, stronger, and smarter, with more agility, and danger sense, than the above listed, answer:yes

Spiderman would logically beat ALL of those guys, because here we don't worry about upsetting fanbases.

I'm not sure if you are right or wrong, because if YOU KNOW that snake loses, why are you inserting the hero factor in?

Please tell me I'm wrong...

Ah great the fanboy, coolness argument.

Did you know that spiderman beat thor, firelord, hulk, and titania?

Since you don't want to include plot devices...

Whats a plot device?

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot

This here shows, you know little about spiderman, plain and simple.

Spiderman has a musculstature and enhanced skeleton that allows him to lift 30000 lbs, and he has speed 15x faster than a human, agility 15x faster than a human, reflexes 20x faster than a human, and a danger sense.

He could kill those two in one hit, can you prove me wrong?

Spiderman can dodge it before he even pulls the trigger, or web his ass and slam him.
Do you know why spiderman was paralyzed?

Secret, to advance the plot...

You aren't going to last long here, not that its a bad thing, either.
Your whole premise is "snake beat xxx, so he can beat xxx"

Spiderman handed it to a brand new and improved venom when beserk, and spiderman holds back...

Snake gets caught out of stealth,(why is he sneaking if he's so badass?), and gets shot a few times, and dies, whoop de doo.

Play the spiderman game, its pretty accurate save strength, he can do MUCH more beyond snakes dreams.

A fanboy are we, this here shows, you have made a homoerotic bond with your character, and want him to win in ANY situation.

What the hell are you talking about, are you high?

That he has to pull out and use, guess what happens to the bum then?

I'm hoping you aren't serious...

There may be hope for you yet...

NO it won't, you need to understand what precog is, bullets are fairly useless against someone who is a consistent blur, and can jump a parking lot.

He used a plot device, and a plot device, and a plot device..

Whats a plot device?

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot

Strenght, speed, agility, intelligence, 120,000 per square meter tensile strength webbing, pre cog.

Why doesn't this matter when spiderman fights anyone?

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot

They arent in this match, how would snake beat venom, carnage, etc.

Ock?

Spiderman kills snake in one hit,enough said...

I was about done with this forum, but seeing as you are looking for a debate...

Funny how you missed the part where I said in a straight up physical fight, Spidey would kill Snake. I'm using these characters in their purest sense. Snake is a killer and Spidey isn't. I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand for many when coming from Snakes point of view of spider sense and telepathy. Psycho does have some precog also. He reads minds, controls them, makes weapons useless..etc etc. Lets see...For speed and strength...Fox was an invisible blur, better trained than spidey, stronger, and far more deadly...and still lost. Yup, its a game...but as a story (like a comic) snake/spidey whoever it is won...therefore canon.

I'm also glad you can copy and paste a "plot device" argument..because as we all know Spidey and comic books NEVER have those, right? Sure...they are just limited to games...I forgot...

Since Bloodlust, prep, or an environment wasn't used on either character..I've worked to give them both a fair assesment, knowing both of them well. Personality wise as well as their abilities and what they are equipped with. None of my arguments sound like "Snake izzz kewl, he roxxorz to da winzzzz yo!"

If you can see that...there may be hope for you.

Is Snake strong enough to break steel?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Is Snake strong enough to break steel?

The people Batman beat coul break steal but batman can't...doesnt mean he cant beat him..... this was an example.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I was about done with this forum, but seeing as you are looking for a debate...

Funny how you missed the part where I said in a straight up physical fight, Spidey would kill Snake. I'm using these characters in their purest sense. Snake is a killer and Spidey isn't. I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand for many when coming from Snakes point of view of spider sense and telepathy. Psycho does have some precog also. He reads minds, controls them, makes weapons useless..etc etc. Lets see...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I was about done with this forum, but seeing as you are looking for a debate...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Funny how you missed the part where I said in a straight up physical fight, Spidey would kill Snake.

I read it, and I wasn't saying you were a fanboy, but you were making it seem like snake was something spiderman had never faced before or something, but nevermind.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm using these characters in their purest sense. Snake is a killer and Spidey isn't.

Incapitation, ko', death, and removal of area are ALL loses.

Spiderman used to ko people by flicking them in the face.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand for many when coming from Snakes point of view of spider sense and telepathy.

I don't understand whats so hard about snake being inferior in every way possible, and that there are no special conditions or plot devices in this match, so spitting out his history as an argument, doesn't make much of a conslusion, I understand you were clearing things up though.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Psycho does have some precog also.

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He reads minds, controls them, makes weapons useless..etc etc. Lets see...For speed and strength...

They AREN'T in this forum.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Fox was an invisible blur, better trained than spidey, stronger, and far more deadly...and still lost.

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot

Spiderman has NEVER beaten ANYONE stronger or faster than him before, or more trained, in fact he's never beaten any one.

Are you going to argue snake winning for fox also?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yup, its a game...but as a story (like a comic) snake/spidey whoever it is won...therefore canon.

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm also glad you can copy and paste a "plot device" argument..because as we all know Spidey and comic books NEVER have those, right? Sure...they are just limited to games...I forgot...

I keep pasting it until some sense comes into you guys, I KNOW that spiderman has plot devices, but he also has them against him.

Foes using civilians: check
Foes teaming up: check
Foes: threatining family: check
Foes fighting him where he can't afford to be seen: check

Cis: he can't kill.

ONly thing in this match is CIS, not pis.

So tell me how he's beating spiderman, cause I don't really see it.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Since Bloodlust, prep, or an environment wasn't used on either character..

Spiderman can still ko him fine, he doesn't need prep.

Snake needs his environment more, HE THRIVES off of it, being a stealth master.

He gets caught, he dies, more often than not.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I've worked to give them both a fair assesment, knowing both of them well. Personality wise as well as their abilities and what they are equipped with. None of my arguments sound like "Snake izzz kewl, he roxxorz to da winzzzz yo!"

I undestand that, I didn't think you were a fanboy, but please tell me how and why snake wins besides.

"snake beat xxx, so he beats xxx"

LIst facts, and not intangibles.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If you can see that...there may be hope for you.

I saw nothing but, "DD is a blind man, fox is cool" SNAKE WINS!!!

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
The people Batman beat coul break steal but batman can't...doesnt mean he cant beat him..... this was an example.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
The people Batman beat coul break steal but batman can't...doesnt mean he cant beat him..... this was an example.

Here we go with the "who beat who" argument, yes or no, can he break it?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My sentiments exactly, this thread made me come back. 🙂

I read it, and I wasn't saying you were a fanboy, but you were making it seem like snake was something spiderman had never faced before or something, but nevermind.

Yes, thats true, but the match isn't who is killing who, its who beats who.

Incapitation, ko', death, and removal of area are ALL loses.

Spiderman used to ko people by flicking them in the face.

I don't understand whats so hard about snake being inferior in every way possible, and that there are no special conditions or plot devices in this match, so spitting out his history as an argument, doesn't make much of a conslusion, I understand you were clearing things up though.

Show me where this is, and this doesn't matter, because what is a plot device?

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot

sigh, I really dont see as how this is of importance, seeing as none of these characters nor conditions meet the match, and that snake uses stealth (not in this match), and plot devices to win.

They AREN'T in this forum.

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot

Spiderman has NEVER beaten ANYONE stronger or faster than him before, or more trained, in fact he's never beaten any one.

Are you going to argue snake winning for fox also?

I don't understand why you are telling me this, there are none of these:

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot

I keep pasting it until some sense comes into you guys, I KNOW that spiderman has plot devices, but he also has them against him.

Foes using civilians: check
Foes teaming up: check
Foes: threatining family: check
Foes fighting him where he can't afford to be seen: check

Cis: he can't kill.

ONly thing in this match is CIS, not pis.

So tell me how he's beating spiderman, cause I don't really see it.

That means snake loses, technically bloodlust is in all the matches, but its the best of their abilities, within character.

Spiderman can still ko him fine, he doesn't need prep.

Snake needs his environment more, HE THRIVES off of it, being a stealth master.

He gets caught, he dies, more often than not.

I undestand that, I didn't think you were a fanboy, but please tell me how and why snake wins besides.

"snake beat xxx, so he beats xxx"

LIst facts, and not intangibles.

I saw nothing but, "DD is a blind man, fox is cool" SNAKE WINS!!!

I applaud you for taking to time to quote everything...as I don't have that type of patience. However...

Cutting and pasting certain statements while ignoring others is a great way to try to win debates. You are repeating yourself over and over and going in circles.

Spidey can win with a punch...great...how many times have I said in that type of match Spidey will win? In a match where both characters are in character in their element, it's evenly matched. Simple as that. Spidey can get hit, so can Snake...great, now that we got that out of the way, their seems to be a fundamental difference in our arguments.

In your version, Snake is totally unprepared and is carrying no weapons so Spidey just up and comes out with his superior speed and knocks him out cold. Great for you and for Spidey.

HOWEVER...

How this fight happens is never stated...is Snake on a mission where spidey gets in the way? Is it in the bush or the city? What is Snakes arsenal? Spideys/Snakes mood? I look for things like that... things that can tip things in anyones favor as the conditions either way. CIS, PIS, or whatever you want to call it Snake does shit that Spidey would get killed doing and Vice Versa. Throwing a few chaff grenades/smoke grenades around would f*ck with spideys head something fierce and Snake without hesitation moves in for the kill slicing petes neck wide open. If an inexperienced Osborn can do it (with no powers of his own I might add) then Snake can as well.

Now let's see.... I'm putting both of these characters in their element, but I'm the fanboy? You can keep cutting and pasting that plot device paragraph all night...but it won't make a difference. Read carefully instead of just running around looking for points to counter and see that i've fairly gone by the rules here. You want Spidey to always win easy? Make a new forum...Snake vs Spidey - Fist fight with no weapons, and I will gladly say spidey wins.

Unless you have something new to say (and not cut and paste) I'm done here.

I am just hoping you'll listen so I won't have to walk you through this another time.

1. I didn't call you a fanboy.
2. Learn what precognitive senses are and APPLY it.
3. Please learn the characters you debate.
4. Please go by KMC rules.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I applaud you for taking to time to quote everything...as I don't have that type of patience. However...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Cutting and pasting certain statements while ignoring others is a great way to try to win debates.

I haven't cutted and pasted any damn thing but the plot device argument, because some lead me to believe they are so dense around here, that they don't understand what that is when they debate.

Some furthermore lead me to believe that they don't know much about spiderman, or they would see he wins this EVEN easier than he does against batman.

All of your points have been covered, every single one of them, the problem is the snake supporting side is having such ignorance, that this is like pointing my head against a wall.

I don't need lessons in how to win a debate, last I checked I won just about all of them.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You are repeating yourself over and over and going in circles.

This isn't real world logic vs comic logic, all I wanted to know was how and why snake was winning.

Your entire argument supported the "when" premise.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Spidey can win with a punch...great...how many times have I said in that type of match Spidey will win?

Did I say you didn't say that, go and point to me where I stated this.

You cannot because I did not, you are so quick to assume I was saying you were a snake fanboy and didn't let spiderman win or something, I think you need to lie down, because its obvious you missed my entire point completely.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
In a match where both characters are in character in their element, it's evenly matched.

No, its actually not.

Snake's element is surprise, spiderman is fighting at his best here, no holding back, but within character.

Is this a stealth mission, no, snake is great but he is SEVERLY disadvantaged here.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Simple as that. Spidey can get hit, so can Snake...

Spiderman is MUCH more likely to get a hit in than snake, why is this so hard to understand?

If you read this you are going to say I'm going in circles because of a fundamental difference, let me guess thats what you typed below.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
great, now that we got that out of the way, their seems to be a fundamental difference in our arguments.

I'm pyschic!!! I think the fundamental difference is you not fully listening to what I say, and arguing on tangents, and not understanding spiderman to well.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
In your version, Snake is totally unprepared and is carrying no weapons so Spidey just up and comes out with his superior speed and knocks him out cold. Great for you and for Spidey.

No, here's the fault within your argument.

1.) This is a random match, so they can't prepare themselves.

2.) Snake has weapons, and I've well been over this, but snake is only using ONE of them at a time, and he has to take precious seconds to cycle through them.

3.) Snake can only carry so many weapons.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
HOWEVER...

Do tell.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
How this fight happens is never stated...is Snake on a mission where spidey gets in the way? Is it in the bush or the city?

Random match.. check

Its a random match man, there is no mission unless otherwise stated, no wonder this forum is trash, noone even knows the rules.

The location is a minor difference, it would allow spiderman to adhere to surfaces and use the environment as weapons anyways.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
What is Snakes arsenal?

Like I said he's only using one weapon at a time, and he can only hold so many, I'm even giving him the ben of the doubt here...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Spideys/Snakes mood?

Spiderman and snake are themselves, but trying to fight at their best, they are within character.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I look for things like that... things that can tip things in anyones favor as the conditions either wall

So do I...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
CIS, PIS, or whatever you want to call it Snake does shit that Spidey would get killed doing and Vice Versa.

Do I really need to put up plot device definition AGAIN, or will you realize that the situation isn't the one speculated in this particular matchup.

CIS is included in these matches, just because you don't understand the rules, doesn't mean I won't adhere to them.

Luckily this is spiderman's flaw, he can't kill someone, but he can incapacitate/ko/remove them from the area.

PIS doesn't count here, and shouldn't matter, because this isn't a history match.

Leave the intangibles home please.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Throwing a few chaff grenades/smoke grenades around would f*ck with spideys head something fierce and Snake without hesitation moves in for the kill slicing petes neck wide open.

Spiderman is 15x faster than a human with an early alert system.

1. nades are dumb
2. they can hurt the user
3. the user can't use them up close
4. spiderman can web his weapons away
5. he can web the knife from him, snake shouldn't get up close.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If an inexperienced Osborn can do it (with no powers of his own I might add) then Snake can as well.

Here we go with the plot devices once again, EACH of the fighters are at their best.

After all, spiderman beat thor and firelord right?

These people would OWN snake.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Now let's see.... I'm putting both of these characters in their element, but I'm the fanboy?

This is your ignoring me, or your refusal to.

I never called you a fanboy, jesus.

That was at someone else...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You can keep cutting and pasting that plot device paragraph all night...but it won't make a difference.

It won't because you are just ignoring everything else, and reading the italics, it won't make a difference.

To you.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Read carefully instead of just running around looking for points to counter and see that i've fairly gone by the rules here.

The word should be barely.

You've ignored ALL the points here, you don't know what precognition is, you ignored all the questions, you seem to know little about spiderman, and furthermore, you dont know the rules or the conditions to a random matchup.

Do you know what random means?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You want Spidey to always win easy? Make a new forum...Snake vs Spidey - Fist fight with no weapons, and I will gladly say spidey wins.

No, I don't really. I feel like people want other characters to win, I"m giving my objective opinion.

Using facts, and not intangibles.

Using rules, and not what suits my argument.

Using points, and not some third grade ramblings.

Knowing my character.

And LISTENING.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Unless you have something new to say (and not cut and paste) I'm done here.

Take care, I hope you don't feel like you've owned me or taught me a lesson.

I've broken ALL of everyones posts here tonight, and noone's made a counter, not a single one.

They've only bitched and whined and complained as usual.

If you can successfully counter this, then good luck.

😮‍💨

CM...I've missed you, man. Why'd you leave? There have been many threads where I've needed your backup, bro.

if any1 here doesnt know, psycho mantis also has percognitive abilities, he knew his future, and the future of meryl and snake. he knew what snake would do at shadow moses but was not interested as his only interest was to kill as many as possible

It still doesn't matter. None of them bring the to table everything that Spiderman has in one package. There's just no getting around that.

Spiderman easily wins. EFFORTLESSLY. Snake's not even at Punisher's level. See, now if it were Punisher, than I would actually have some doubts for ol' Spidey and say that he would have to really work for it.

But it's Snake. So Spiderman wins effortlessly.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
CM...I've missed you, man. Why'd you leave? There have been many threads where I've needed your backup, bro.

I saw this and it made me come back literally.

This must be one of those joke threads, right?

I know snake has the Suicide pill, and the box to hide in... Is that enough to beat spiderman?

No people think snake can beat spiderman and wolverine.

he needs to face batman and punisher or something, a stealth master with modest weapons is basically a joke.

o. I didnt really like the game. Why isnt this in the video game section?
Solid snake vs video game Spiderman. That would make more sense.

Originally posted by Magic_attack
o. I didnt really like the game. Why isnt this in the video game section?
Solid snake vs video game Spiderman. That would make more sense.

Originally posted by Magic_attack
o. I didnt really like the game. Why isnt this in the video game section?
Solid snake vs video game Spiderman. That would make more sense.