The problem is that the trajectory of the shield is the same just like playing pool; he can’t alter the direction of the shield once it is in flight. I don’t think Cap is any more accurate with the shield then Gambit with the cards. It the street is would be harder to dodge but in the features environment is will do squat, in the street Gambit will have unlimited ammo where Cap doesn’t.
Originally posted by ThePittman
Normal writers make it that people have a hard time dodging the shield but in reality if you can dodge multiple laser shots what is so hard about dodging one object that just bounces off stuff in a projected path?
The thing with the shield isn't its intial trajectory. Its the fact that Cap can get it to richochet all over the place. Also with the shield he doesn't always tthrow it in straight lines. He can cause it to arc etc depending on how he throws it
Originally posted by marvelprinceIt still follows the path that it is thrown, yes it can curve like a Frisbee but it will not keep changing directions in mid flight, he will ricochet it off other objects to hit the target just like playing pool but it doesn’t follow its target. For people that use ballistics such as Gambit, Bullseye and Daredevil just to name a few, this is very easy to predict. In an open field as one of the battle fields it will not return to him so it will not make an effective weapon.
The thing with the shield isn't its intial trajectory. Its the fact that Cap can get it to richochet all over the place. Also with the shield he doesn't always tthrow it in straight lines. He can cause it to arc etc depending on how he throws it
Originally posted by ThePittman
I don’t think Cap is any more accurate with the shield then Gambit with the cards.
Oh yeah
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Gambit has not done anything close to what cap did in the above scan. I dont need to elaborate on how accurate that was.
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Not only does Cap use his feet, he ricochets it off walls to enable to hit an object that he cannot even see (his shackles). Gambit can do that period, neither can Bullseye.
Originally posted by ThePittman
For people that use ballistics such as Gambit, Bullseye and Daredevil just to name a few, this is very easy to predict.
Wild assumption. Cap most probably has better reflexes than Bullseye, at least the same as Gambits probably not as fast as DD but close behind but even that could be debatble.
Originally posted by ThePittman
In an open field as one of the battle fields it will not return to him so it will not make an effective weapon.
Nobody has confirmed what sort of envinroment its in. Most fights happen in some sort urban surroundings even if its wasnt the chances are there will probably be something there for cap to ricochet off, and if that happens cap has the advantage.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh yeahhttp://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capskilllm4.jpg
Gambit has not done anything close to what cap did in the above scan. I dont need to elaborate on how accurate that was.
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Not only does Cap use his feet, he ricochets it off walls to enable to hit an object that he cannot even see (his shackles). Gambit can do that period, neither can Bullseye.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Wild assumption. Cap most probably has better reflexes than Bullseye, at least the same as Gambits probably not as fast as DD but close behind but even that could be debatble.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Nobody has confirmed what sort of envinroment its in. Most fights happen in some sort urban surroundings even if its wasnt the chances are there will probably be something there for cap to ricochet off, and if that happens cap has the advantage.
Originally posted by TheKahnThread post
They fight once in a featureless environment and once in an empty city street. who takes it?
Originally posted by ThePittman
Yes Gambit has, I don’t have my collection with my right now but I have a few at home that I will have to look. I have see Gambit pick a lock with his feet so that doesn’t say much about Cap.
No no no no no. I didnt ask you wether Gambit can pick locks with his feet I asked wether he can you his feet to aim with extreme accuracy. Bouncing an object off walls is alot harder than just aiming at something....and you didt get it.
Cap has escaped from a device which is used to contain shape shifters thats more impressive than picking a lock with your feet. You just dont know cap. Cap was escaping from prisons and stuff before Gambit was born.
Originally posted by ThePittman
I’m not talking about reflexes but the ability to see trajectories and using ballistic objects and in Marvel Bullseye is among the best.Thread post
Cap can see bullets he said so himself.
Originally posted by AlfheimOK, you accuse me of miss reading your posts? You were talking about Cap using his feet to direct his shield meaning using the dexterity in his feet, Gambit picking a lock required much MUCH more fine dexterity then directing a path of an object. Or don’t you get it 😉
No no no no no. I didnt ask you wether Gambit can pick locks with his feet I asked wether he can you his feet to aim with extreme accuracy. Bouncing an object off walls is alot harder than just aiming at something....and you didt get it.Cap has escaped from a device which is used to contain shape shifters thats more impressive than picking a lock with your feet. You just dont know cap. Cap was escaping from prisons and stuff before Gambit was born.
Cap can see bullets he said so himself.
You also don’t know Gambit as well, I’m not a huge fan of Cap but I like the character but that doesn’t mean I don’t know some stuff about him. While that is an impressive feet Gambit has been escaping form “escape proof” traps and prisons all of his life that is one of his specialties as a member of the thieves’ guild. And Cap has been doing things more than any one because he is older than dirt and born before WWII. 😛
Cap seeing bullets to me is BS because of the speed of the bullet and the speed at which a human can see and process the information, as it stands that Cap is peek human but with the feats they have him do he would need to be super human.
Originally posted by ThePittman
OK, you accuse me of miss reading your posts? You were talking about Cap using his feet to direct his shield meaning using the dexterity in his feet, Gambit picking a lock required much MUCH more fine dexterity then directing a path of an object. Or don’t you get it 😉
No you dont get it. Picking a lock with your feet means you can pick a lock with your feet, that does not mean you can then use it to throw objects with extreme accuracy. People can pick locks with there hands that does not mean then can then throw objects with extreme accuracy until further proof is given.
Furthermore cap had his boots on when he used his feet....Gambit obvoulsy had taken his shoes off when he picked the lock. I was hoping I wouldnt need to elaborate but thats what im doing.
Originally posted by ThePittman
You also don’t know Gambit as well, I’m not a huge fan of Cap but I like the character but that doesn’t mean I don’t know some stuff about him.
No you dont knpw that much about him or you wouldnt think that picking a lock with your feet is a big deal.
Originally posted by ThePittman
While that is an impressive feet Gambit has been escaping form “escape proof” traps and prisons all of his life that is one of his specialties as a member of the thieves’ guild. And Cap has been doing things more than any one because he is older than dirt and born before WWII. 😛
You said it not me.
Originally posted by ThePittman
Cap seeing bullets to me is BS because of the speed of the bullet and the speed at which a human can see and process the information, as it stands that Cap is peek human but with the feats they have him do he would need to be super human.
So you wouldnt need superhuman intellignce to build a time machine using current 2007 technology?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Not only does Cap use his feet, he ricochets it off walls to enable to hit an object that he cannot even see (his shackles). Gambit can do that period, neither can Bullseye.
Yes Bullseye can. ANY accuracy feat Cap has Bullseye has 10 more that top it. Don't ever think otherwise.
Still think Cap wins this fight though
Originally posted by Alfheim
No you dont get it. Picking a lock with your feet means you can pick a lock with your feet, that does not mean you can then use it to throw objects with extreme accuracy. People can pick locks with there hands that does not mean then can then throw objects with extreme accuracy until further proof is given.
He's not looking at it as a dexterity feat but rather as a testament to how skilled Cap is with the shield that he doesn't a) need the shield or b) need to see the target
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yes Bullseye can. ANY accuracy feat Cap has Bullseye has 10 more that top it. Don't ever think otherwise.
I disagree I think Cap is more accurate with his shield than bullseye is with his objects. You'll have to prove it, I know i could be wrong but you know me im gonna vouch for cap.
Originally posted by marvelprince
He's not looking at it as a dexterity feat but rather as a testament to how skilled Cap is with the shield that he doesn't a) need the shield or b) need to see the target
Bro picking a lock with your feet dont mean you can throw objects with extreme accuracy.
Originally posted by AlfheimFirst off that logic is a bit flawed, why would Gambit need to throw cards with his feet? That is why you haven’t seen it because he doesn’t need to and by the way his boots were on. If Gambit has the motor control to do with his feet that he can with his hands then he could throw cards if he wanted too with the same skill.
No you dont get it. Picking a lock with your feet means you can pick a lock with your feet, that does not mean you can then use it to throw objects with extreme accuracy. People can pick locks with there hands that does not mean then can then throw objects with extreme accuracy until further proof is given.Furthermore cap had his boots on when he used his feet....Gambit obvoulsy had taken his shoes off when he picked the lock. I was hoping I wouldnt need to elaborate but thats what im doing.
No you dont knpw that much about him or you wouldnt think that picking a lock with your feet is a big deal.
You said it not me.
So you wouldnt need superhuman intellignce to build a time machine using current 2007 technology?
As to build something like a time machine is not superhuman if the knowledge is out there. Since time travel is a reality and possible it is not a leap in logic that a human can create one if the person is smart enough or creative. It would be like comparing Einstein to an average Joe, the degree of intelligence is so far beyond the other that they Joe thinks that Einstein is super human but he isn’t.
Originally posted by ThePittman
First off that logic is a bit flawed, why would Gambit need to throw cards with his feet?
Why would Gambit need to pick locks with his feet?
Originally posted by ThePittman
That is why you haven’t seen it because he doesn’t need to and by the way his boots were on. If Gambit has the motor control to do with his feet that he can with his hands then he could throw cards if he wanted too with the same skill.
No he might need to do it because his hands might get tied up. You also missed the point if somebody can use his feet to do such amazing feats that means his hands are going to be even more accurate.
Originally posted by ThePittman
As to build something like a time machine is not superhuman if the knowledge is out there.
So in 2007 the knowledage to build a time machine is out there is it? No its not, therefore with current technology you would need superhuman intelligence.
Originally posted by ThePittman
Since time travel is a reality and possible it is not a leap in logic that a human can create one if the person is smart enough or creative. It would be like comparing Einstein to an average Joe, the degree of intelligence is so far beyond the other that they Joe thinks that Einstein is super human but he isn’t.
Ok this is crap. Cap can see bullets, its superhuman because its far beyond what anybody can do today. Nobody in 2007 can build anything close to a time machine, but if you can build a time machine thats not superhuman intelligence. Complete nonsense.
Originally posted by ThePittman
First off that logic is a bit flawed, why would Gambit need to throw cards with his feet? That is why you haven’t seen it because he doesn’t need to and by the way his boots were on. If Gambit has the motor control to do with his feet that he can with his hands then he could throw cards if he wanted too with the same skill.As to build something like a time machine is not superhuman if the knowledge is out there. Since time travel is a reality and possible it is not a leap in logic that a human can create one if the person is smart enough or creative. It would be like comparing Einstein to an average Joe, the degree of intelligence is so far beyond the other that they Joe thinks that Einstein is super human but he isn’t.
That is ridiculous! Just because you can manipulate your toes doesn't mean that you can throw well with your feet. Throwing with precise aim involves your entire leg muscle... lock picking means you can wiggle your toes in the right way.
Picking a lock with your toes only means that you're very talented at toe wiggling the right way... it has nothing to do with aim...
Originally posted by Alfheim
I disagree I think Cap is more accurate with his shield than bullseye is with his objects. You'll have to prove it, I know i could be wrong but you know me im gonna vouch for cap.
Cap is not as/more accurate than Bullseye.
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Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro picking a lock with your feet dont mean you can throw objects with extreme accuracy.
Thats my point. I was agreeing with you
Originally posted by marvelprince
Cap is not as/more accurate than Bullseye.http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool028165ic.jpg
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I can rebut that but im gonna have to go. Laters.
Gambit can pick locks with his feet because he is a thief, he was chained to a wall hanging and lifted his body to pick the lock with his boots on, this means that it is not just “wiggling his toes” as so stated. He has to move and adjust his weight to get that fine manipulation to pick the lock, does that mean that he can throw cards with his feet with the same level of skill as his hands, no but neither can Cap, if that was the case then why wouldn’t he throw it all the time with his feet?
As for Bullseye, Marvel says that his skill in near super human.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Bullseye
In our reality building a time machine would be super human because for one all the math and theories says that time travel is not possible. Does that mean that some smart scientist won’t find the correct math or equation, only a hundred years ago flying to the moon would have been impossible or recently going faster than the speed of sound was impossible.Breakthroughs in science happens all the time and doesn’t require super human brain to figure it out.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Cap is not as/more accurate than Bullseye.
No, but they are very, very close. So is Hawkeye and Bullseye.
Gambit, however, is not as accurate. Even so, Captain America is stronger, faster, more experienced, a better combatant, etc.
In a featureless enviornment, Gambit has an advantage, considering the only thing Cap has to rely on is his superior agility, considering he can keep up with Spider-Man on his own power. However, Gambit is a cocky idiot, thinking that he'd win the fight straight out, which Cap would take to his advantage, and eventually beat him. Considering he can see bullets in slow motion, and dodge them easily, saying Cap cannot deflect Gambit's cards or get out of the way of them is just ridiculous. More times than not, Cap will get in close and Gambit will get sonned, hard.
In an empy City street, Gambit is doomed. Cap is a WW2 veteran, who is used to urban combat. Hell, he lives in New York for chirstsakes! This fight would end in a couple shield throws, considering the only person I've seen deflect that shield from a ricochet is Spider-Man, and there is no visible way that Gambit can compete, I don't care how many misfiring Danger Room droids he's avoided.
Cap in the first scenario takes 7/10
Cap in the second scenario takes 9/10
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Originally posted by Beta Ray HowardWell I agree that Cap is the better fighter skill wise and stronger and has more endurance than Gambit but Gambit is no slouch either. In comic wise I would agree with you that Gambit would try and go toe to toe in some fights but that would be CIS. Cap is a skilled urban fighter but so is Gambit, a master thief skilled in deception and using the environment. I can’t see Cap avoiding getting touched in the fight and that is all Gambit needs, if Gambit was going against Spider-Man he would be owned big time.
No, but they are very, very close. So is Hawkeye and Bullseye.Gambit, however, is not as accurate. Even so, Captain America is stronger, faster, more experienced, a better combatant, etc.
In a featureless enviornment, Gambit has an advantage, considering the only thing Cap has to rely on is his superior agility, considering he can keep up with Spider-Man on his own power. However, Gambit is a cocky idiot, thinking that he'd win the fight straight out, which Cap would take to his advantage, and eventually beat him. Considering he can see bullets in slow motion, and dodge them easily, saying Cap cannot deflect Gambit's cards or get out of the way of them is just ridiculous. More times than not, Cap will get in close and Gambit will get sonned, hard.
In an empy City street, Gambit is doomed. Cap is a WW2 veteran, who is used to urban combat. Hell, he lives in New York for chirstsakes! This fight would end in a couple shield throws, considering the only person I've seen deflect that shield from a ricochet is Spider-Man, and there is no visible way that Gambit can compete, I don't care how many misfiring Danger Room droids he's avoided.
Cap in the first scenario takes 7/10
Cap in the second scenario takes 9/10/Thread.
I still hate that they consider him to be peek human because with all the things that he can do is well beyond peek human.
Originally posted by ThePittman
I still hate that they consider him to be peek human because with all the things that he can do is well beyond peek human.
I agree wholeheartedly. I tell people all the time that from day one he is an enhanced human, more akin to Deathstroke, not Batman. The only reason they have Bats and Cap fight is because they're the martial artists of the flagship groups. It's lame. 😬
