Gambit VS Captain America

I was going through the Cap respect thread, some nice scans. You were totally posting the wrong scans showing his feats with the shield, the one you have been using isn’t that impressive at all. Giving the fact that he has the power to throw it completely thru a truck and its engine block and throwing it faster than a high velocity bullet make a major difference. Being able to throw the shield behind his back and in mid air block the path to bullets that have already been fired is so far beyond what you have been showing. For that reason alone I will concede that that he is more skilled with his shield then Gambit is with his cards.

Originally posted by ThePittman
First off I have not given you any rubbish scan, you have provided no scans that are any more “impressive” then what I have. As for the scan of Cap throwing his shield that really isn’t that impressive, hell it is only bouncing off 3 walls, I can do that in pool it is noting more than a trick pool shot. All he is doing is simple trajectories and geometry it is noting more then this http://youtube.com/watch?v=TyAWk1MwhdU

Ok then tackle an enhanced human, throw him up in the air and time your projectile to hit him in the precise spot before hits the ground.

Originally posted by ThePittman

As for proving how this is more difficult then hitting a target 50 feet away while holding a trigger to a bomb and hitting the trigger, person and cutting the tripwire that is incased in glass while only breaking the glass and cutting the trip wire that you can barely see and stopping at just the wire while not going into the device and triggering it is not impressive?

It is impressive but for any superhero that can throw stuff this is standard. Who was this woman anyway...isnt she just a person with normal reflexes.

Originally posted by ThePittman

With Cap you keep saying that he can’t see his targets but he can see all three walls and the guy is standing right in front of him.

Thank you for proving my point. Cap isnt aiming at somebody in from of him. He is having to predict where his shield is going to land AFTER he has thrown that guy in the air, and it has to hit the guy in the precise spot...before he hits the ground. This guy is enhanced hes not a stationery zombie. Furthermore cap cant see where the shield is when he is tackling the guy.....you missed all these important points.

Originally posted by ThePittman

As for the bullets his blocks them all the time and not only blocking them but redirecting them back at the shooter and this is from automatic fire and in another case multiple shooters.

Sorry I want proof.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok then tackle an enhanced human, throw him up in the air and time your projectile to hit him in the precise spot before hits the ground.

It is impressive but for any superhero that can throw stuff this is standard. Who was this woman anyway...isnt she just a person with normal reflexes.

Thank you for proving my point. Cap isnt aiming at somebody in from of him. He is having to predict where his shield is going to land AFTER he has thrown that guy in the air, and it has to hit the guy in the precise spot...before he hits the ground. This guy is enhanced hes not a stationery zombie. Furthermore cap cant see where the shield is when he is tackling the guy.....you missed all these important points.

Sorry I want proof.

Originally posted by ThePittman
You really need to get over that scan and use some of the other ones in the respect thread, while this is nice scan it really isn’t that impressive.

And hitting a stationary target from 50 feet before a normal human can react is....I really am wasting my time arent I?

Originally posted by ThePittman

He throws the shield and he knows exactly how long it will take to return and where it is going before he even throws it, then it is a matter of getting the guy to the spot where the shield is going to be, this is more of a feat of H2H then shield throwing.

Its not a H2H feat, its part of the feat and you cant seperate them because he had to do H2H in order to get the end result.

Predicting where the shield is going to land is not just the feat. Its predicting where the shield is going to land and doing something extremely complicated before it does!. All Gambit is doing is aiming.

Originally posted by ThePittman

If you also look at the scan the guy is distracted by the shield throw and not looking at Cap when he attacks.

Hes still faster than a zombie and a normal human even if he is distracted.

Originally posted by Alfheim
And hitting a stationary target from 50 feet before a normal human can react is....I really am wasting my time arent I?

Its not a H2H feat, its part of the feat and you cant seperate them because he had to do H2H in order to get the end result.

Predicting where the shield is going to land is not just the feat. Its predicting where the shield is going to land [B]and doing something extremely complicated before it does!. All Gambit is doing is aiming.

Hes still faster than a zombie and a normal human even if he is distracted. [/B]

I keep responding to a specific point to your post and you keep overlooking that and skipping to something totally different. I have already conceded that Cap is more skilled than Gambit; all I’m saying is that this scan is not a good example of his skill compared to the ones that I have shown for Gambit.

Why is this even about whos more accurate with thier thorwing weapon?
Truthfully, as i (and some otherS) have stated before, gambit does not have to be dead on. NOT to say that he couldent be, but he doesnt HAVE to. Not only that, cap has ONE, shield, gambit has SEVERAL cards.

Cards that EXPLODE

These extra factors pertty much level off any trajectory advantage cap could have over gambit. Basicly its two different types of good. At the same time, to say that cap is going to one shot gambit is absurd. WHos to say he wont miss? Maybe if gambits standing still, sure, but hes not. Gambit is incredibly agile. As is cap, but the big disadvantage cap has is the fact that gambit makes things explode when he thorws them. Caps shield isint explodeing, its bouncing, so in SOME aspects, it wont take as much effort to avoid colateral than it will be for captain america

Doesnt gambit play pool?

youd think he'd be able to predict caps trajectory if he did
and not to mention, cap can use trajectory in the PERFECT setting, but im sure their not going to be fighting in an alley full of curved walls and bouncy things
again
not to undermind cap, but come on, the trajectory thing is getting a little rediculous

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Why is this even about whos more accurate with thier thorwing weapon?
Truthfully, as i (and some otherS) have stated before, gambit does not have to be dead on. NOT to say that he couldent be, but he doesnt HAVE to. Not only that, cap has ONE, shield, gambit has SEVERAL cards.

Cards that EXPLODE

These extra factors pertty much level off any trajectory advantage cap could have over gambit. Basicly its two different types of good. At the same time, to say that cap is going to one shot gambit is absurd. WHos to say he wont miss? Maybe if gambits standing still, sure, but hes not. Gambit is incredibly agile. As is cap, but the big disadvantage cap has is the fact that gambit makes things explode when he thorws them. Caps shield isint explodeing, its bouncing, so in SOME aspects, it wont take as much effort to avoid colateral than it will be for captain america

Doesnt gambit play pool?

youd think he'd be able to predict caps trajectory if he did
and not to mention, cap can use trajectory in the PERFECT setting, but im sure their not going to be fighting in an alley full of curved walls and bouncy things
again
not to undermind cap, but come on, the trajectory thing is getting a little rediculous

When you play pool you predict the trajectories that come after you? I don't think so... being that they DON'T come after you. Pool is only used as an example of caps strategy... not to be taken literally.

Gambit WOULD dodge caps initial shield throw... throw some cards (which cap would easily dodge) cap rushes forward to make it hand to hand... they go at it for about 7 seconds before the shield comes crashing into the back of Gambits head.... fight over.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
When you play pool you predict the trajectories that come after you? I don't think so... being that they DON'T come after you. Pool is only used as an example of caps strategy... not to be taken literally.

Gambit WOULD dodge caps initial shield throw... throw some cards (which cap would easily dodge) cap rushes forward to make it hand to hand... they go at it for about 7 seconds before the shield comes crashing into the back of Gambits head.... fight over.

Im not saying it would make him able to telegraph the path of his shield, but it MIGHT help, but still, very speculative

Anyways, sure, i agree with you, that scenario could happen as cap has done this before. But heres where the problem lies
Cap throws his shield, gambit dodges, throws a few cards, cap dodges, shield comes back around,
cap comes rushing foward....

gambit isint in the place cap predicted.

Again,
since when was caps shield a homeing missile?

Cap can be wrong. Because if thats the case
you could just as easily say

Cap rushes foward, charges gambit with a grin on his face..
and gets a full deck in his chest

boom, caps dead

shield falls tragicly to the ground.

Originally posted by King KAM
You have to see the fact that, Caps shield is going to mean that Gambit has to pay attention, because you say its not a homing missile, but its for damn sure acts like one. If gambit dodges it once, good job, but he has about 20 times more that hes gonna have to dodge it, all coming from different angles, sometimes behind him. Sometimes blind sighting, he HAS to pay attention to the shield and nothing else if he wishes to dodge it.If he doesnt, he gets KOed, can we agree on that?

As for the hand grenade thing, if cap keeps the shield. He blocks the blasts and jumps and dodges most of them, I mean the man has been able to dodge multiple grenades, and block lazers which were coming at him damn near simealtaneuously, If h can block things traveling at the speed of light he can block cards.

And as for him needing to dissapear....He can do that too...

i apologize id idnt reply to this earlier
wasnt ignoreing youor anything

anyways, gambits not going to have to dodge an additional 20+ times, maybe twice, and three's pushing it ( i understand you were being a bit sarcastic, though 😛 )

cap can block some blasts im sure, but to a point, it becomes unvaoidable, shield or not

and god forbid gambit touches caps shield

Someone should ask Digi to merge this with the other 6 Gambit/CA threads. 😐

This keeps going back and forth between what Cap can do with his shield and what they can do with H2H, now I don’t think anyone is in disagreement that Cap is the far better fighter in H2H however Gambit only needs to touch him. Now it is said that Cap wouldn’t let Gambit touch him and knowing that he is also a very skilled fighter wouldn’t get into H2H so then he would just use his shield and this is where the circle argument has been going.

Originally posted by ThePittman
This keeps going back and forth between what Cap can do with his shield and what they can do with H2H, now I don’t think anyone is in disagreement that Cap is the far better fighter in H2H however Gambit only needs to touch him. Now it is said that Cap wouldn’t let Gambit touch him and knowing that he is also a very skilled fighter wouldn’t get into H2H so then he would just use his shield and this is where the circle argument has been going.

yeah seriosuly, this is spiraling into a feat vs feat argument
and alot of point sidestepping

as well as assuming this is a 2 second fight

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
yeah seriosuly, this is spiraling into a feat vs feat argument
and alot of point sidestepping

as well as assuming this is a 2 second fight

I'll give you it's not a two second fight... by the way. Just curious, can you name one time cap has missed someone other than Spiderman (a character who's known to make people that are excellent marksmen miss) and name a time that Gambit has dodged something that wasn't a henchmen or danger room fire session? Has he dodged bullseye (a little bit hard since bullseye is a bit better than cap's throwing, but NOT far off... since I think cap is better at the ricochet effect, or at least has better feats showing so). Just curious, I'm not trying to be demeaning or anything.

Gambit isn't going to make Cap himself explode because that would be outside the realm of CIS. He doesn't make characters he considers heroes explode.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
I'll give you it's not a two second fight... by the way. Just curious, can you name one time cap has missed someone other than Spiderman (a character who's known to make people that are excellent marksmen miss) and name a time that Gambit has dodged something that wasn't a henchmen or danger room fire session? Has he dodged bullseye (a little bit hard since bullseye is a bit better than cap's throwing, but NOT far off... since I think cap is better at the ricochet effect, or at least has better feats showing so). Just curious, I'm not trying to be demeaning or anything.

Gambit isn't going to make Cap himself explode because that would be outside the realm of CIS. He doesn't make characters he considers heroes explode.

As for charging Cap he doesn’t have to do it to a lethal level, as with the fight with Wolverine he charged his entire skeleton and let him know that he was about to blow.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
I'll give you it's not a two second fight... by the way. Just curious, can you name one time cap has missed someone other than Spiderman (a character who's known to make people that are excellent marksmen miss) and name a time that Gambit has dodged something that wasn't a henchmen or danger room fire session? Has he dodged bullseye (a little bit hard since bullseye is a bit better than cap's throwing, but NOT far off... since I think cap is better at the ricochet effect, or at least has better feats showing so). Just curious, I'm not trying to be demeaning or anything.

Gambit isn't going to make Cap himself explode because that would be outside the realm of CIS. He doesn't make characters he considers heroes explode.

Cap's missed nick before, to name one occassian
if i recall correctly
when nick had that gay metal arm

and dont worry, i knwo your not triyng to be, i mean, i didnt get that from you lol

anyways

thier are quite a few examples of gambit dodgeing a non-henchmen or danger room session, and he does have some pertty imperssive agilitiy feats. Truthfully, though, if you want to hear a dodgeing feat from some A-list superhero like iron man, you will probably be dissappointed, as none come to mind, thats nto to say thier not out thier, but thiers alot of x-men in general. BUT, thats not to discredit gambit and say just becuase he hasnt, he cant. His agility feats are still rediculous none the less. i could post a few dodgeing feats from non-henchmen type's if youde like, though

What I'm trying to say is there's no evidence that He can Dodge caps shield whereas there's PLENTY of evidence that Cap can HIT Gambit (IE throwing his shield faster than a bullet. A High velocity one at that).

Gambit can potentially charge anything that is not organic, in that sense he could charge Caps shield, and if anyone hasn't been keeping up with Gambit over the years, he wont need to touch Caps shield to charge it.

He could charge Caps shield, or his clothes potentially for that matter, and then explode them; now the shield may not break from the release of energy, but the splash damage from it will severely injure Cap if he is in its AOE.

Okay... but that breaks the realm of CIS. When has he done that to a hero?

(Remember CIS is not barred from debates.)

He's done it several times, in AOA and as his new sun self.