Originally posted by Aduruth
Actually no it doesn't, he could've meant how to try to *spell better. Or try to not make my sentences so big/out of contex(I originally thought he meant learn how to know all the lingo's such as jk=just kidding, which I knew). There's a difference General Makashi. 😉, Just some friendly advice, before you jump the gun 😉 No harsh feelings.
No offense taken. I was only trying to answer your Q qith a sh!tty A is all. . .
I put my money on vader. He can block the lightning with his lightsaber, and if it's ESB era, the count's gotta be in a wheelchair or worse. If he were more an aerobatic duelest, then he could use the force to do jumps and crap, like Yoda. (I know people are gonna say Yoda did all those kicks and flips and he's over 900) but the count was just a smoothe-as-silk dueler. His only jump was horrible, on the invisible hand. I saw that and thought "What's wrong with the stairs"? Or atleast just jump normally, not that sumersault...ugh...
Originally posted by Aduruth
We are talking about Vader not Anakin, and still Anakin was the one who killed Dooko, not Vader, just imagine if it was Vader not Anakin, that movie wouldn't have had a 5 minute dueling match between Anakin and Dooko, it would've been more like 30 seconds.Against your lightning and form II argument don't forget after the purge Vader had hunted down the/most remaining jedi all excelling in all forms, so the form would not be a problem. Aand about the lighning, I don't think the dark lord of the sith, I mean 2nd dark lord to Sidious, would be that foolish to go "charging" in against someone who knows lightning,.aAfter all he already did that in AOTC and made up for that in ROTS, and I think he would remember not to charge in.
Ok, Starwars.com just released this in their recent news letter. Here it is.... Here comes the big quote....
VADER IS ANAKIN!
Whether he got his limbs and legs chopped, that doesn't change him as a person, unless Darth Plaeguis came along and started playing Tennis with his Midichlorians.
These Jedi that Vader hunted down used "all forms"?
I'd like to see proof of this, by the way.
On another note, Dooku had MASTERED Makashi/Form II/Way of the Ysalamiri. Any other Jedi whom uses it would not have mastered it or else Vader would have DIED! Jedi aren't practitioners of Form II often because of it's nature. Apparently, alot of Dark Jedi use Form II.
What makes you think Dooku's lightning wont penetrate the Chunk 'o metal? Even if he did block it, the Lightning would surge to his metallic fingers holding the hilt and it would electirfy the metal, surely f*cking up that nice PaTHETIC SynTHETIC arrangement he has going down.
Have you seen Vader's Lightsaber style? Dooku would rip him apart! Vader got schooled by a Jedi that is in three years of training. Now tell me what the hell he is going to do against seventy (or more) years of experience with someone who has mastered a Form with one-on-one Lightsaber dueling?
Is Dooko a brother to Dooku or something? What Form does Dooko use? Is he a Jedi?
Go back in your crawlspace, Elite Newb.
You guys completely underestimate vader and overestimate tyranus. Vader did not regress after ROTS but because the films of episode 4 to 6 were old and did not have proper technology to do vader justice. I can guarantee that if episodes 4 to 6 were made after episodes 1 to 3, vader would have been extremely incredible and a master duelist and force user. I think the same goes for luke skywalker but that is neither here nor there. Darth Tyranus was a great force user but the only edge he would have over vader in this field here would be lightning. Vader's telekenisis would be a lot stronger. Vader would alos have been a lot stronger as a duelist and have a better technique.
Dooku has mastered his form into perfection, a form created for lightsaber wielders fighting other lightsaber wielders. Vader stands no chance against that form no matter how good he would be with his own form.
He doesn't have the force powers either. And the movies weren't made today, Vader is slow. The suits makes it hard for him to move, its just what it is. Vader sucks compared to Dooku.
Originally posted by Sorgo
Ok, Starwars.com just released this in their recent news letter. Here it is.... Here comes the big quote....VADER IS ANAKIN!
Whether he got his limbs and legs chopped, that doesn't change him as a person, unless Darth Plaeguis came along and started playing Tennis with his Midichlorians.
These Jedi that Vader hunted down used "all forms"?
I'd like to see proof of this, by the way.
On another note, Dooku had MASTERED Makashi/Form II/Way of the Ysalamiri. Any other Jedi whom uses it would not have mastered it or else Vader would have DIED! Jedi aren't practitioners of Form II often because of it's nature. Apparently, alot of Dark Jedi use Form II.
What makes you think Dooku's lightning wont penetrate the Chunk 'o metal? Even if he did block it, the Lightning would surge to his metallic fingers holding the hilt and it would electirfy the metal, surely f*cking up that nice PaTHETIC SynTHETIC arrangement he has going down.
Have you seen Vader's Lightsaber style? Dooku would rip him apart! Vader got schooled by a Jedi that is in three years of training. Now tell me what the hell he is going to do against seventy (or more) years of experience with someone who has mastered a Form with one-on-one Lightsaber dueling?
Is Dooko a brother to Dooku or something? What Form does Dooko use? Is he a Jedi?
Go back in your crawlspace, Elite Newb.
Wow, I bet you feel so special, technicaly your right about Anakin being Darth Vader, but your mainly wrong.
LAST I CHECKED IT WAS THE JEDI ANAKIN NOT THE ROTS VADER WHO KILLED DOOKO, WOW LEARN HOW TO READ!!!!! AND ANOTHER THING I ALREADY SAID DOOKO WOULD BEAT VADER IN SABER COMBATE, GEESH TALK ABOUT A LOW ATTENTION SPAN!!!! AND LASTLY AS I SAID OVER AND OVER,
~~ROTS JEDI ANAKIN VS DOOKO (GUESS WHO WON? ANAKIN!!)
~~~THEN I SAID IMAGINE IF IT WAS ROTS VADER VS DOOKO, EASILY ROTS VADER, IN SABER AND FORCE.
~~~~LASTLY I SAID MECH. VADER VS DOOKO, DOOKO BEATS HIM IN SABER COMBATE, BUT NOT IN FORCE ABILITIES WHICH IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT.
*It's noobs like you which not only mess up a thread but make yourselves look like a "noob."
Everything I have already stated you repeated, everything you "contradict" me on, I already agreed with you!!! You are the biggest noob in "my" book. Now before you start trying to ban me like a "taddle-taylor," just think, you brought this upon yourself to get bashed. Lastly I'd just like to say what you have already said "Go back to your crawlspace, elite noob" And why don't you practice what you preach.
Originally posted by Aduruth
Wow, I bet you feel so special, technicaly your right about Anakin being Darth Vader, but your mainly wrong.LAST I CHECKED IT WAS THE JEDI ANAKIN NOT THE ROTS VADER WHO KILLED DOOKO, WOW LEARN HOW TO READ!!!!! AND ANOTHER THING I ALREADY SAID DOOKO WOULD BEAT VADER IN SABER COMBATE, GEESH TALK ABOUT A LOW ATTENTION SPAN!!!! AND LASTLY AS I SAID OVER AND OVER,
~~ROTS JEDI ANAKIN VS DOOKO (GUESS WHO WON? ANAKIN!!)
~~~THEN I SAID IMAGINE IF IT WAS ROTS VADER VS DOOKO, EASILY ROTS VADER, IN SABER AND FORCE.
~~~~LASTLY I SAID MECH. VADER VS DOOKO, DOOKO BEATS HIM IN SABER COMBATE, BUT NOT IN FORCE ABILITIES WHICH IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT.
*It's noobs like you which not only mess up a thread but make yourselves look like a "noob."
Everything I have already stated you repeated, everything you "contradict" me on, I already agreed with you!!! You are the biggest noob in "my" book. Now before you start trying to ban me like a "taddle-taylor," just think, you brought this upon yourself to get bashed. Lastly I'd just like to say what you have already said "Go back to your crawlspace, elite noob" And why don't you practice what you preach.
Could you please stop with the caps..
Now on your points..
Rots Anakin did kill Dooku, but he was not more powerful then Dooku this has been stated a million times arleady, and you should have known it. Dooku was told not to kill Anakin, he wasn't allowed to win. He would have slaughtered Anakin if he was.
Now why would Rots Vader be more powerful then Anakin? The Dark Side is not more powerful and if it would make Aankin more powerful it woudl be because he fights with emotions which is a bad thing to do in a fight, meaning that if he becomes more powerful he also becomes more of an idiot and Dooku would own him even easier. So really becoming more powerful would only suck for him. And if this is a fight for his life and he knows it from the start then Dooku will take out Anakin in just seconds.
And how does Mech Vader beat Dooku in the force? Have we seen Mech Vader do anything that we haven't seen Dooku do? Well okay choking people but Dooku shot lightning which is far more impressive so its only natural to assume he could also choke people. What else? Dooku threw with things as much as Vader if not with heavier and more powerful things. You have no evidence on Mech Vader being more powerful then Dooku no evidence at all. Point.
And btw: its Dooku not Dooko
Originally posted by Fishy
Could you please stop with the caps..Now on your points..
Rots Anakin did kill Dooku, but he was not more powerful then Dooku this has been stated a million times arleady, and you should have known it. Dooku was told not to kill Anakin, he wasn't allowed to win. He would have slaughtered Anakin if he was.
Now why would Rots Vader be more powerful then Anakin? The Dark Side is not more powerful and if it would make Aankin more powerful it woudl be because he fights with emotions which is a bad thing to do in a fight, meaning that if he becomes more powerful he also becomes more of an idiot and Dooku would own him even easier. So really becoming more powerful would only suck for him. And if this is a fight for his life and he knows it from the start then Dooku will take out Anakin in just seconds.
And how does Mech Vader beat Dooku in the force? Have we seen Mech Vader do anything that we haven't seen Dooku do? Well okay choking people but Dooku shot lightning which is far more impressive so its only natural to assume he could also choke people. What else? Dooku threw with things as much as Vader if not with heavier and more powerful things. You have no evidence on Mech Vader being more powerful then Dooku no evidence at all. Point.
And btw: its Dooku not Dooko
I guess thx for for the spelling error, I just caught up in what I'm writing.
But back to the part where you said "how is Mech. Vader better in force than dooku" By more exp, and he has much more training with Darth Sidious(do not forget that) And as you stated "if dooku knows how to use lightning I'm sure he knows choke" the same could be used for Vader(if he knows choke he know lightning, etc, etc, etc) Now the reason Ani, is more powerful as Darth Vader in ROTS becuase he has been opened (to a whole new arsonal of weapons) the DS, which is true not more powerful, but more deadly if used correctly, which both have had more time to "train" but Vader more he had at least 2x the training with Sidious than dooku ever had. Which is why he excells in force more than dooku.
*I actually want to know where does it say that dooku wasnt allowed to kill ani. My opinion thats a bunch of "far-fetched lies/people not knowing what theyre talking about" but if it is true than I'm sorry, if you tell me someone told u its pretty much made up, but if u can supply a relible source i'll agree or look at it from another angle.
"You have no evidence on Mech Vader being more powerful then Dooku no evidence at all. Point."
Technically yes and technically no, once he's put into the suit he destory most if not all mechanicle device in the room once turned into vader, and secondly/lastly. this is a lame reason, but it does uphold fairly well, vader throws many objects etc at luke etc, but i believe he wouldve thrown a bigger object at luke if it wasnt luke, or if hollowood's "technology" was better. Even lucas himself said he only had a certain amount of money for the ot. And throwing large objects is special effects. So you cant really say that vader threw weakeer objects(and when i said force ability i meant ds, whis is the bases for many kills for dooku and vader) but as i said b4 vader has trained more w/ sid. who knows far more than dooku when it comes to ds powers. true or not true? 😉
I thank you for talking civilized not like some other noobs here, thank you again.
Hmm about the Dooku having to lose. Read Labyrinth of Evil, he's told to do so in there... The book is cannon so its true.
Anyways, yeah Vader could possibly have thrown bigger items I wouldn't be surprised but that doesn't mean anything Dooku threw a bigger item and he toar it out of a rock. Vader just ripped it away from the wall. What Dooku did is more impressive and even Yoda had a hard time blocking it. Does that mean that Vader couldn't do it? I don't know.
Now on your training you have to remember Dooku trained for about 60 years in the lightside and then another 13 on the Dark Side. Dooku had a huge edge when it came to Anakin with lightside training, which also trains you control over the force. Maybe not offensive attacks but still control over the force.
Dooku has more training in that then Anakin did. The lightside training difference is about 35 years or so when the Dark Side training difference is only 7 years. I'm still going to guess that Dooku has an edge here based on training alone.
Now about my choking assumption. You saw Luke a relatively untrained farm boy choke two people. And Anakin did it to Padmé when he had no Dark Side training at all, making it seem like a basic technique that doesn't require much training or focus at all. Lightning on the other hand is something different. Only two people in the movies have used lightning and both of those guys were really old.
Now it only stands to reason that Dooku with all his years of experience would be able to do the most basic of Dark Side techniques, there is however nothing to indicate that Anakin could use lightning besides with his suit its going to be hard to even use lightning as he would probably just electrocute himself.
And one more thing
Now the reason Ani, is more powerful as Darth Vader in ROTS becuase he has been opened (to a whole new arsonal of weapons) the DS, which is true not more powerful, but more deadly if used correctly
In ROTS Anakin had no Dark Side training at all, he hardly knew what it was. So he would not have been more powerful because he wouldn't know the powers except for choking but thats not going to help you against a Jedi.
Well, not to bring this up again, but Dooku is never told to lose in LOE. Here, I'll find the part. . .
Hm. I don't have time to quote it, but I trust you have the book. Pages 170 and 171. All Sidious says to Dooku is to eliminate Obi-Wan; the only thing standing between Anakin and the Dark Side. Palpatine would make sure of that.