Originally posted by LighterFluid
Who is Virishna? Could somebody give me a link to some information on him?
I couldn't find reference to Virishna except for comparison with Christ. I came across one site that claimed it was a made up deity created by Christ-myth propagandists. Most of the sites I came across were Christian responses, there were minimal non-Christian statements about Virishna. Virishna is not an alternate form of Vishnu. Also, there is little similarity between Vishnu and Christ as the Virishna/Christ pages claim.
I personally think this may be a load of crap, Virishna that is.
Re: Jesus is a sun symbol..
They didn't track time in 4th Century BC 🙄 so where's the proof of it ever even being then?
All you have proven is that the other religions got the wrong end of the stick about the whole thing and the story was changed over time... But obviously not in the Trinity, where there was still books left behind 🙂 . Zeus, posiedon, Osiris etc were just created by the rulers because they thought they was powerful enough to decide those sorta things 🙄
Originally posted by Deano
The crucifixion of Jesus was an allegory, a symbolic event written to carry a hidden meaning. It did not physically happen, you are just meant to think it did. And what of the physical resurrection from the dead by Jesus?
St Paul is quoted as saying of this event in his first letter to the Corinthians:“But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.” Corinthians 15:13-16
He says that if Jesus was not physically raised from the dead, there is no basis to the Christian faith and religion. If that’s the case, Christianity is in serious trouble.
On the Cross
As Jesus slowly sagged down with more weight on the nails in the wrists, excruciating, fiery pain shot along the fingers and up the arms to explode in the brain. The nails in the wrists were putting pressure on the median nerve, large nerve trunks which traverse the mid-wrist and hand. As He pushed himself upward to avoid this stretching torment, He placed His full weight on the nail through His feet. Again there was searing agony as the nail tore through the nerves between the metatarsal bones of this feet.
At this point, another phenomenon occurred. As the arms fatigued, great waves of cramps swept over the muscles, knotting them in deep relentless, throbbing pain. With these cramps came the inability to push Himself upward. Hanging by the arm, the pectoral muscles, the large muscles of the chest, were paralyzed and the intercostals muscles, the small muscles between the ribs, were unable to act. Air could be drawn into the lungs, but could not be exhaled. Jesus fought to raise Himself in order to get even one short breath. Finally, the carbon dioxide level increased in the lungs and in the blood stream, and the cramps partially subsided.
The Last Words
Spasmodically, He was able to push Himself upward to exhale and bring in life-giving oxygen. It was undoubtedly during these periods that He uttered the seven short sentences that are recorded.
The first - looking down at the Roman soldiers throwing dice for His seamless garment: "Father, forgive them for they do not know what they do."
The second - to the penitent thief: "Today, thou shalt be with me in Paradise."
The third - looking down at Mary His mother, He said: "Woman, behold your son." Then turning to the terrified, grief-stricken adolescent John, the beloved apostle, He said: "Behold your mother."
The fourth cry is from the beginning of Psalm 22: "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"
He suffered hours of limitless pain, cycles of twisting, joint-rending cramps, intermittent partial asphyxiation, and searing pain as tissue was torn from His lacerated back from His movement up and down against the rough timbers of the cross. Then another agony began: a deep crushing pain in the chest as the pericardium, the sac surrounding the heart, slowly filled with serum and began to compress the heart.
The prophecy in Psalm 22:14 was being fulfilled: "I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint, my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels."
The end was rapidly approaching. The loss of tissue fluids had reached a critical level; the compressed heart was struggling to pump heavy, thick, sluggish blood to the tissues, and the tortured lungs were making a frantic effort to inhale small gulps of air. The markedly dehydrated tissues sent their flood of stimuli to the brain. Jesus gasped His fifth cry: "I thirst." Again we read in the prophetic psalm: "My strength is dried up like a potsherd; my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou has brought me into the dust of death" (Psalm 22:15 KJV).
A sponge soaked in posca, the cheap, sour wine that was the staple drink of the Roman legionnaires, was lifted to Jesus' lips. His body was now in extremis, and He could feel the chill of death creeping through His tissues. This realization brought forth His sixth word, possibly little more than a tortured whisper: "It is finished." His mission of atonement had been completed. Finally, He could allow His body to die. With one last surge of strength, He once again pressed His torn feet against the nail, straightened His legs, took a deeper breath, and uttered His seventh and last cry: "Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit."
Death
The common method of ending a crucifixion was by crurifracture, the breaking of the bones of the leg. This prevented the victim from pushing himself upward; the tension could not be relieved from the muscles of the chest, and rapid suffocation occurred. The legs of the two thieves were broken, but when the soldiers approached Jesus, they saw that this was unnecessary.
Apparently, to make doubly sure of death, the legionnaire drove his lance between the ribs, upward through the pericardium and into the heart. John 19:34 states, "And immediately there came out blood and water." Thus there was an escape of watery fluid from the sac surrounding the heart and the blood of the interior of the heart. This is rather conclusive post-mortem evidence that Jesus died, not the usual crucifixion death by suffocation, but of heart failure due to shock and constriction of the heart by fluid in the pericardium.
Originally posted by debbiejo
You don't know that Jesus Christ is the true god as was stated on other threads.........What Jesus taught as many did was to love and not judge others,.,...and let your actions speak for themselves.......btw, I don't believe Jesus ever said HE WAS THE TRUE GOD!!........Yet I have nothing against you all Christians because I do believe you feel you are trying to save us from the flames of hell, and that is noble.......yet hell isn't a real place..........
By Jesus Christ affirming that He is the Christ (i.e. Anointed One), the Son of God He is saying that He and God the Father are equal and one. The high priest knew this that is why he (the high priest) tore his own clothes then said that what Jesus had said was blasphemy.
Matthew 26:57-66
57 And those who had laid hold of Jesus led Him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled. 58 But Peter followed Him at a distance to the high priest’s courtyard. And he went in and sat with the servants to see the end.
59 Now the chief priests, the elders,[g] and all the council sought false testimony against Jesus to put Him to death, 60 but found none. Even though many false witnesses came forward, they found none.[h] But at last two false witnesses[i] came forward 61 and said, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and to build it in three days.’”
62 And the high priest arose and said to Him, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!”
64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
65 Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy! 66 What do you think?”
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
By Jesus Christ affirming that He is the Christ (i.e. Anointed One), the Son of God He is saying that He and God the Father are equal and one. The high priest knew this that is why he (the high priest) tore his own clothes then said that what Jesus had said was blasphemy.Matthew 26:57-66
66 What do you think?” [/B]
57 And those who had laid hold of Jesus led Him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled. 58 But Peter followed Him at a distance to the high priest’s courtyard. And he went in and sat with the servants to see the end.
59 Now the chief priests, the elders,[g] and all the council sought false testimony against Jesus to put Him to death, 60 but found none. Even though many false witnesses came forward, they found none.[h] But at last two false witnesses[i] came forward 61 and said, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and to build it in three days.’”
[B]62 And the high priest arose and said to Him, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!”
64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
65 Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!
Actually he tore his clothes and claimed blasphemy because Christ was claiming to be a God, not that he was God (the Father.) The high priest believed as you do, that is why he took umbrage at Christ's statement.
Originally posted by Regret
Actually he tore his clothes and claimed blasphemy because Christ was claiming to be a God, not that he was God (the Father.) The high priest believed as you do, that is why he took umbrage at Christ's statement.
Regret,
Read the passage again the high priest did not ask Jesus if He was "a god." The high priest specifically asked Jesus Christ if He was "the Son of God." The high priest was specific. Son of God implies or means that Jesus and God are equal and one that is why the high priest did not ask Jesus if He was "a god, but whether He was the Son of God."
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Regret,Read the passage again the high priest did not ask Jesus if He was "a god." The high priest specifically asked Jesus Christ if He was "the Son of God." The high priest was specific. Son of God implies or means that Jesus and God are equal and one that is why the high priest did not ask Jesus if He was "a god, but whether He was the Son of God."
This caused problems in two ways.
God for Jews is a spirit. God in flesh is blasphemy. God procreating with a woman is an affront.
You place the "one" term in there, not the high priest. Son of God does not refer to Christ being God the Father, only to him being the Son of God, thus also a God. Don't add words to the scripture.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Nothing. You are both speaking in Absolutes, and you may both be equally wrong.God may or may not exist, I cannot say cuz i dont know. I just don't beleive anyone truly knows God in that kind of way though....It bugs me when people accuse someone else of disobeying God, when we dont know for SURE what God's will is.
God's will is revealed in His Word--the holy Bible.