Originally posted by Up In Flames
I dont think I was talking to you.
Though since this is an open debating forum we are allowed to ask questions of one another when someone makes a statement (though one isn't expected to answer of course) - I simply wondered why you felt the need to ask Debbiejo not to speak like that when she hadn't actually said anything bad.
Originally posted by Up In Flames
Jesus Christ = Son of God. Jesus is not God. They are one in sense that they are bound by the Holy Spirit.
* the fact that Christ is the Son of God, albeit, the Only Begotten Son of God, that proves that He is a God... that's why He is worshipped, He has the power to forgive sins, to cast out demons, to heal all kinds of sickness, power over nature, etc...
* Christ really is not God but He is a God, according to the Bible... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* the fact that Christ is the Son of God, albeit, the Only Begotten Son of God, that proves that He is a God... that's why He is worshipped, He has the power to forgive sins, to cast out demons, to heal all kinds of sickness, power over nature, etc...* Christ really is not God but He is a God, according to the Bible... 😉
So, you worship more then one god?
Originally posted by peejayd
* the fact that Christ is the Son of God, albeit, the Only Begotten Son of God, that proves that He is a God... that's why He is worshipped, He has the power to forgive sins, to cast out demons, to heal all kinds of sickness, power over nature, etc...* Christ really is not God but He is a God, according to the Bible... 😉
Umm... No. Christ is most certainly *God*. As he is part of the Trinity - and if one has seen him - they have seen the Father.
Difficult to grasp - I know, and I doubt any human(or even any angel/demon perhaps) really understands the Trinity. The simplest way to rectify it for myself - has always been to think of *God* as being an apple - cut into three slices. Each slice representing a different aspect of him -- but despite being seperate entities - each slice is still but a part of the whole apple.
I know this is extremely oversimplified - But we do indeed worship one *God* - it's just that he chooses to reveal himself to us in different ways. And if you ask me why - I won't be able to tell you. But hopefully when I see him someday(if he allows me to see him of course), he'll answer this question for me.
Never been a real big issue for me anyway - I'm more interested in his character and having a relationship with him(as well as assisting others in having one) - rather than understanding everything about the way he represents himself(or having complete understanding of everything about him).
Call me simple minded if you must - But as long as he's loving(which he has already proven to all of us with the cross) - it matters not how he visually depicts himself before anyone.
So to simplify - when attempting to interpret Christianity - Love is the only translation that really matters my friend.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So Jesus is his own father ? 😆
Sigh...
“If you knew me, you would know my Father also.” (John 8:16-19)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
(The *word* is Jesus)
Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:27,28)
Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one. (John 17:11)
Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.(John 14:9)
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That would make his relationship with Mary, incestual ! droolio
I guess that would then explain - the reasoning behind some of the retarded children he has..He..He..
Seriously though - Jesus was conceived through the Holy Spirit - not by sexual and/or physical means. You know this, but once again - you're willful ignorance never fails to shine - and you have managed to prove yourself the fool by using it each time(which you do a great job of I might add).
You should try a new tactic - this act(or debate style) doesn't seem to be working as well for you - as it has for others in the past..He..He..He..😉
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Seriously though - Jesus was conceived through the Holy Spirit - not by sexual and/or physical means. You know this, but once again - you're willful ignorance never fails to shine - and you have managed to prove yourself the fool by using it each time(which you do a great job of I might add).You should try a new tactic - this act(or debate style) doesn't seem to be working as well for you - as it has for others in the past..He..He..He..😉
Originally posted by Nellinator
Insults are unnecessary. You know this, so I'm just reminding you. Urizen is trying to have a laugh at your expense and the easiest way to defeat it is to simply ignore his deliberatly irritating statements and realize that he is not being serious. It seems to be working for me, Urizen isn't bad once you understand him a bit better.
Very true. Oversensitivity - one of my biggest strengths - but unfortunately also one of my biggest weaknesses at times. I truly thank you for the loving advice. I will definitely take it to heart, and try to apply it to my next discussion with him - and others.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Sigh...“If you knew me, you would know my Father also.” (John 8:16-19)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
(The *word* is Jesus)Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:27,28)
Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one. (John 17:11)
Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.(John 14:9)
I guess that would then explain - the reasoning behind some of the retarded children he has..He..He..
Seriously though - Jesus was conceived through the Holy Spirit - not by sexual and/or physical means. You know this, but once again - you're willful ignorance never fails to shine - and you have managed to prove yourself the fool by using it each time(which you do a great job of I might add).
You should try a new tactic - this act(or debate style) doesn't seem to be working as well for you - as it has for others in the past..He..He..He..😉
yawn
When will you realize it means nothing to me ? I respect your decision to beleive what you beleive, but you will never convince me of the validity of anything you say for several reasons:
1) You have proven to be terribly closed minded: Even Regret and Nellinator, two conservative Christians have a much more open mind than yourself.
2) I already know you are wrong about Homosexuality being a choice. I will not go into it in detail, but whoever states that Homosexual attractions were one's choice is factually wrong. I know who I am, what I am, and how I ended up where I am today, and I know I did not choose my sexuality. You keep claiming something that I KNOW to be false....so you already proven yourself terribly mistaken on one area of debate, due to your religious bias.
3) You have a terrible sense of humor. You will laugh at anything, UNLESS it's a joke pertaining to your religion. You need to learn to chill out. I laugh at homosexual jokes ALL THE TIME....I learned not to take myself, my sexuality, or my beleifs TOO seriously.
YOU on the other hand, will laugh at anything offensive, UNLESS it has to do with your religion, then right away like a lil CRUSADER you go fighting back, even if the joke is harmless like the many I present.
Ease UP....no one's going to Hell, so fkn RELAX ok ?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Which do you worship, god or Jesus?
* i worship both the Father and Christ... and They are one... 😉
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So Jesus is his own father ? 😆That would make his relationship with Mary, incestual ! droolio
* that is the most appropriate result of the belief that Jesus IS God... however, the Bible never implies that belief... Jesus is A God because He is the Only Begotten Son of God... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* i worship both the Father and Christ... and They are one... 😉* that is the most appropriate result of the belief that Jesus IS God... however, the Bible never implies that belief... Jesus is A God because He is the Only Begotten Son of God... 😉
So, you worship both of them as if they were one?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you worship both of them as if they were one?
* yes, that was Jesus said...
"Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever he does, that the Son does likewise.
For the Father loves the Son, and shows him all that he himself is doing; and greater works than these will he show him, that you may marvel.
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,
That all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him."
John 5:19-23
Originally posted by peejayd
* yes, that was Jesus said..."Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever he does, that the Son does likewise.
For the Father loves the Son, and shows him all that he himself is doing; and greater works than these will he show him, that you may marvel.
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,
That all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him."
John 5:19-23
Interesting passage, and you think this has something to do with god?