Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It sounded more like a father and son relationship, except the father can raise the dead. 😱 Kind of weird, don't you think?
* according to the verse, Christ too can raise the dead... however, my point was, the underlined phrase... it's about how i worship and honor both the Father and Christ...
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
😆So Jesus is his own father ?
* nope, that's why i believe that Jesus is a God... i do not believe that Jesus is God... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* according to the verse, Christ too can raise the dead... however, my point was, the underlined phrase... it's about how i worship and honor both the Father and Christ...* nope, that's why i believe that Jesus is a God... i do not believe that Jesus is God... 😉
You honor both the Father and Christ. That would be two gods. So, you are worship multiple gods?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So Jesus is his own father ? 😆
* oh? sorry... They are "one" in what?
"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross."
Philippians 2:5-8
* the Father and the Christ are both Gods... and "one" in what other areas?
"And now I am no more in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name, which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me."
John 17:11, 22-23
* They are united as one... 😉
Originally posted by debbiejo
Will you quit saying that, he's not listening...........better to say. They are amalgamated just like Ellen White taught. Umm just like she taught the the Sons of heaven came and slept with women, that is why they had amalgamated giant children...........The bible is full of interesting myths.
Originally posted by peejayd
* oh? sorry... They are "one" in what?"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross."
Philippians 2:5-8* the Father and the Christ are both Gods... and "one" in what other areas?
"And now I am no more in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name, which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me."
John 17:11, 22-23* They are united as one... 😉
As One what ?
Originally posted by peejayd
* oh? sorry... They are "one" in what?"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross."
Philippians 2:5-8* the Father and the Christ are both Gods... and "one" in what other areas?
"And now I am no more in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name, which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me."
John 17:11, 22-23* They are united as one... 😉
Inaccurate and misleading PJ'd.(which I know is purposely meant to be so, with the farcical nature of your posting style) If the Father/Son/Holy spirit are *Gods* rather than being just one *God* - than they wouldn't be referred to as the *Godhead*, nor would Christ have the authourity to forgive sins, submit himself to the authourity of Satan, or refer to himself as the great *I AM*(*I AM* meaning the God of the Old Testament). Nor would God himself state "You shall put no other *Gods* before me." It would be contridictory for him to say such, if he himself represented more than one God.
I remember I used to have an old preacher who would ask - How can 1 + 1 + 1 = 1? Well one way to answer this question(and rectify one's inability to understand this), is for one to make up their own version of truth, and state that everything is relative, so they can falsely(and pridefully) claim that they understand everything that makes up God(and the Universe).
However - those who truly love Christ, will not really care if the understand everything about him, and will be content(and have faith) in knowing that Christ(God) has revealed the most important aspect of himself - to all of his creations. That aspect of course being *Love*
The trinity is not something that can be completely understood, by man(nor angel or demon for that matter), seeing as God himself testifies that he has not instilled any of his creations, with the inherent ability to completely understand him. Anyone who claims to have a complete understanding of God(or any aspect of him thereof) - is either a liar, delusional, or grossly misinformed.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Inaccurate and misleading PJ'd.(which I know is purposely meant to be so, with the farcical nature of your posting style) If the Father/Son/Holy spirit are *Gods* rather than being just one *God* - than they wouldn't be referred to as the *Godhead*, nor would Christ have the authourity to forgive sins, submit himself to the authourity of Satan, or refer to himself as the great *I AM*(*I AM* meaning the God of the Old Testament). Nor would God himself state "You shall put no other *Gods* before me." It would be contridictory for him to say such, if he himself represented more than one God.
* your addition is not God's addition... example:
"And said, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?
So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder."
Matthew 19:5-6
* 1 + 1 = 1... 😉
Originally posted by lord xyz
So you worship more than one God?
* just like my answer to mr.shakyamunison...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You honor both the Father and Christ.
* yes...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would be two gods. So, you are worship multiple gods?
* and no... 😉
"I and the Father are one."
John 10:30
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
The trinity is not something that can be completely understood, by man(nor angel or demon for that matter), seeing as God himself testifies that he has not instilled any of his creations, with the inherent ability to completely understand him. Anyone who claims to have a complete understanding of God(or any aspect of him thereof) - is either a liar, delusional, or grossly misinformed.
* oh, before i forgot... [the Trinity is NOT equal to the Godhead]... the Trinitarian doctrine preaches that the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit are all equal in power and authority... very unbiblical... the Father is greater than Christ and Christ is greater than the Holy Spirit... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* oh, before i forgot... [the Trinity is NOT equal to the Godhead]... the Trinitarian doctrine preaches that the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit are all equal in power and authority... very unbiblical... the Father is greater than Christ and Christ is greater than the Holy Spirit... 😉
I looked up *Godhead* on wikipedia's website - and apparrently many Christians - like myself, do indeed use the term *Godhead* to commonly define(and refer to) the Trinity. However - wikipedia then goes on to state that such a translation is inaccurate and should not be used to define it. If I was to proceed in this parsing, and re-interpreting of words as you have done any longer, this would then be known as *Legalism* - the similar debate style used by the Pharisees, and this is something that I do not wish to do.
So regardless of how one terms it - the meaning of the Trinity(and or Godhead) - or the understanding of what it represents is not important(in the Grand scheme of things). You and I are just speaking drivel when we attempt to rationally explain it on any level. The importance of the scripture - is not for the believer to parse together words and phrases, so they can come up with their own interpretations of it(as I'm sure that you well know), rather it is to faithfully(and lovingly) accept the truth of God's word, and spread it to those who do not know it.