Originally posted by debbiejo
Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus"
-- Thomas JeffersonIn previous articles published in The Essene Path, I have briefly touched on the topic of how Paul, the self-proclaimed Apostle, violently opposed the original vegetarian Essene Christianity of Jesus, first by killing and imprisoning its leaders, then by infiltrating the movement and leading a schism. The schism led by Paul -- a meat-eating version of Christianity -- replaced the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Paul. As briefly described in previous articles, "Paulianity" evolved into the Roman Catholic Church and gave birth to all of what is considered mainstream Christianity today, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant. Whereas I have briefly touched on this topic in previous articles, it is the purpose of this article to deal with it in great depth. I will begin by setting the stage; I will describe early Christianity as it existed prior to the advent of Paul. What were the main tenets of this pre-Pauline, Essene Christianity? What was the early Christian doctrine of salvation? Having set the stage, I will describe in detail the schism led by Paul which evolved into modern Christianity. I will conclude this expose´ with a call to action: A CALL TO REJECT PAULIANITY AND RETURN TO ESSENE NAZARENE CHRISTIANITY. The choice is simple, yet profound; and every Christian must make it: YAHSHUA (Jesus) OR PAUL?
So, Jesus made quite clear that no blood sacrifice -- not even his own -- can provide salvation for your sins; rather, you must quit sinning (repent) and follow his SAVING TEACHINGS. And that was the doctrine of salvation of the Essene Nazarene Ebionites.
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Originally posted by debbiejo
Some differences between Paul and Jesus:Paul taught that it was okay for the Elect to eat meat sacrificed to idols;
Jesus honored women and found in them his most devoted followers, but Paul proclaimed the inferiority of women and said that they must obey the will of men;
"Wives be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife in the same way that Christ is the head of the church. As the church is subject to Christ, so must wives be subject to their husbands in everything."
In all Christian churches, the women should keep silent whenever in church. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate.... If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.... If any one thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, he must acknowledge that what I am writing to you is true and from the Lord God."
The Essenes forbade slavery but Paul ordered Christian slaves to obey their Christian masters;
Although Paul never met Jesus, he ignored the instructions of the Apostles who had been personally trained by Jesus, replacing the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles with his own very different teachings;
Paul had been the enemy of Essene Christianity from the beginning, and because he failed in his former open hostility he had craftily infiltrated the movement to destroy it from within, leading a schism which became numerically strong enough to subdue the original church.
Originally posted by sonnet
Please do not insult us with digging out crap like this. Read Isaiah and you will know why God sent his Son and the why his blood was shed. And do take note of Son of Man's post. He know's what he is talking about.
Why can't you live with the idea that some people have a different view and information to back up that view? You can't prove any religious viewpoint, as we cannot disprove. However, the burden of proof is in the hands of the believer. What that means is, you have to prove to me your religious viewpoint and I do not have to disprove anything, all I have to do is believe or not. So, you say Paul spoke to Jesus, sense Jesus was dead at the time; this is a religious viewpoint. You have to prove to me that Paul spoke to a dead person (Jesus). Show me proof that the dead can be communicated with.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was born and I will die.If you are asking me to do the fiction that is in the bible, you do it first.
Before you are so quick to talk about fiction, there are numerous people on this earth that has through the pwoer of God working through them performed miracles. People like Kennith Copeland, Dr. A'L Gill, Dick Eastman, Reinard Bonnke, Dr. TL Osborne, John Amstutz, Orrel Roberts and many more. These people have fulfilled the words of Jesus when He said that we (believers) shall go out and lay their hands on the sick and they shall be healed and in His name they shall cast out demons. This is enough proof that neither Jesus nor the Bible is fiction.
Originally posted by sonnet
Before you are so quick to talk about fiction, there are numerous people on this earth that has through the pwoer of God working through them performed miracles. People like Kennith Copeland, Dr. A'L Gill, Dick Eastman, Reinard Bonnke, Dr. TL Osborne, John Amstutz, Orrel Roberts and many more. These people have fulfilled the words of Jesus when He said that we (believers) shall go out and lay their hands on the sick and they shall be healed and in His name they shall cast out demons. This is enough proof that neither Jesus nor the Bible is fiction.
You forgot about: Houdini, and others who did magic.
That is not proof of anything with the exception of how gullible people can be.
Originally posted by sonnetAlso miracles have been done by other faiths including Shamans, and Just saw a televised one in China ...hands on h ealing with a tumor that dissapeared...had ultrasound and all kinds of eqipment taping the whole program.....They were not Christians.....It was not in "Jesus" name.....God is something bigger...much...Jesus only came to tell us some truths.....Jesus is no more god than you or I am....OH look I said "I am"...LOL
Before you are so quick to talk about fiction, there are numerous people on this earth that has through the power of God working through them performed miracles. People like Kennith Copeland, Dr. A'L Gill, Dick Eastman, Reinard Bonnke, Dr. TL Osborne, John Amstutz, Orrel Roberts and many more. These people have fulfilled the words of Jesus when He said that we (believers) shall go out and lay their hands on the sick and they shall be healed and in His name they shall cast out demons. This is enough proof that neither Jesus nor the Bible is fiction.
Man.......I'm working on a sucky keyboard today.....blah...
Originally posted by sonnetI've read Isaiah, and Like I've said...look outside your box....the church has doctored up the scriptures....
Please do not insult us with digging out crap like this. Read Isaiah and you will know why God sent his Son and the why his blood was shed. And do take note of Son of Man's post. He know's what he is talking about.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why can't you live with the idea that some people have a different view and information to back up that view? You can't prove any religious viewpoint, as we cannot disprove. However, the burden of proof is in the hands of the believer. What that means is, you have to prove to me your religious viewpoint and I do not have to disprove anything, all I have to do is believe or not. So, you say Paul spoke to Jesus, sense Jesus was dead at the time; this is a religious viewpoint. You have to prove to me that Paul spoke to a dead person (Jesus). Show me proof that the dead can be communicated with.
Originally posted by sonnetThen do a study on the Essenes yourself, and see what they teach...
I see you are still lost in the dark on this one....You must realy go to the true source, the Bible, and stop running after every anti christian bit of literature you can find.
Your not worshiping Jesus, your worshiping Paul, in Jesus name.
Originally posted by debbiejo
I've read Isaiah, and Like I've said...look outside your box....the church has doctored up the scriptures....
About two decades after the crucifixion of Jesus, we meet Paul. Essene Nazarene Christianity was still true to the teachings of Jesus, being led by James, the brother of Jesus. Paul, an agent of the Jewish puppet-government installed by imperial Rome, then made his first appearance, leading a bloody assault on the Essene Christians in the Temple at Jerusalem. That vicious attack in which many Essene-Christians were murdered by Paul and his henchmen -- an historical fact you won't find in your "Pauline" Christian Bible -- is described by the Apostle Peter in an ancient Essene Christian manuscript titled, THE CLEMENTINE HOMILIES AND RECOGNITIONS; we read:
"... the high priest of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem had often sent priests to ask us that we might discourse with one another concerning Jesus: when it seemed a fit opportunity, and it pleased all of our church, we accepted the invitation and went up to the temple. It was crowded with people who had come to listen, many Jews and many of our own brethren. First the high priest told people that they should listen patiently and quietly.... Then, he began exalting with many praises the rite of animal sacrifice for the remission of sins and found fault with the baptism given by our Jesus to replace animal sacrifice....
"To him our James began to show, by abundant proof that Jesus is the Christ, and that in Him are fulfilled all the prophecies which related to His humble advent. For, James showed that two advents of Him are foretold: one in humiliation, which He has now accomplished; the other in glory, which is yet to be accomplished....
"And when James had plainly taught the people concerning these things, he added this also, that unless a man be baptized in water, in the name of the threefold blessedness, as the True Prophet taught, he can neither receive remission of sins nor enter the kingdom of heaven: and he declared that this is the prescription of the unbegotten God.... And when James had spoken some more things about baptism, through seven successive days he persuaded all the people and even the high priest that they should hasten straightaway to receive baptism....
"And when matters were at that point that they would all come and be baptized, Paul and his men entered the temple: and Paul cried out: 'Oh men of Israel, why are you so easily influenced by these miserable men?' He began to excite the people and raise a tumult... and drive all into confusion with shouting, and to undo what had been done by James. Paul rebuked the priests for having listened to James, and, like a madman, began to excite the priests and people to murder James and the brethren, saying 'Do not hesitate; grab them and pull them to pieces.' Paul then, seizing a strong brand from the altar, set the example of smiting. Then others also, seeing him, joined in the beating. Much blood was shed. Although James and the brethren were more numerous and more powerful they rather suffered themselves to be killed by an inferior force, than to kill others. Paul attacked James and threw him headlong from the top of the steps; and supposing him to be dead left him."
Fortunately, James, the Brother of Jesus and leader of the Essene Christians, was revived by Essene healers. He and the other survivors of Paul's attack left Jerusalem and went to an Essene commune to heal. Paul continued to persecute Essene Christians, going from city to city with secret police agents, arresting and killing many.
Originally posted by sonnetTold you that you would think anything I say was satan using me to temp you from your salvation.....
I am in the place where God wants me to be, in His will as He has written in His Word, the book we call the Bible. I will not go out side of that because I will not trade my salvation for the cheap lies of Satan.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Then do a study on the Essenes yourself, and see what they teach...Your not worshiping Jesus, your worshiping Paul, in Jesus name.
Originally posted by sonnet
I am in the place where God wants me to be, in His will as He has written in His Word, the book we call the Bible. I will not go out side of that because I will not trade my salvation for the cheap lies of Satan.
The way that other people believe is to be respected. I believe that you are, were you need to be for what ever reason that is. But my place is just as true to me as yours is to you. The way that other people live and believe is not "cheap lies of Satan".
Originally posted by sonnetSays Paul!!!......What about James brother of Jesus?...He knew Jesus...Paul never even met him......Study it.
Paul was good enough for Jesus to chose him to become a apostle and reveal to him important information for us as Christians then Paul is good enough for me. I am not interested in what the Essenes teach, I follow the teachings of Jesus and the inspired teachings of the apostles as it is in the word of God.