Humanity's desire to give its mind away has allowed a structure to develop over thousands of years which today is on the verge of creating a global fascist dictatorship. Fascism ended with Adolf Hitler? If only it were so. That same mindset controls the secret government of the world which is, minute by minute, manipulating the human mind to accept a centralised global tyranny. This tyranny is called the New World Order and, unless we shake ourselves from our spiritual slumber, it will manifest as a world government; a world central bank and currency; a world army; and a microchipped population linked to a global computer. If anyone thinks all this is ridiculous, the next few hundred pages are going to be very sobering. We are astonishingly close to all of those things. It is time to grow up and wake up.
As you read the story of how your life and the life of this planet has been so controlled and manipulated, I ask you to remember that we all created it. The people I name and the events I describe are only mirrors reflecting back at the human race and the Earth the thought patterns within us. This world is merely human thought made physical. When we recognise what those negative patterns are and remove them, our reality will change and the world will change. But not until.
It begins and ends with us.
david icke - and the truth shall set you free
now i dont know if anyone has seen this and it probably has nothing to do with anything anyone is talking about but since its the Conspiracy thread here i go. i did a quick 2 second search and couldnt find anything on i so here it is. Click the link, Watch the movie, Its an hour long but its all liable info. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194
If link doesnt work now ill fix it when i get home.
Originally posted by Deano
why dont you watch the video he posted. and also the video i posted about 9/11. and comment on them. why are you avoiding it
Because I do not want to download a video and waste valuable worktime downloading and watching information that is easily accessable on the net, and which under scrutiny fallls apart.
Like I said, I agree that things were not on the up and up on 9/11. I believe that the U.S. gov't was aware that at least one plane would be highjacked, and were prepared for that in oreder to see a few lives go down the crapper so they could get their war.
I also believe that the severity of the attack was highly underestimated and left the administration (as well as Osama himself) going"HOLY F*CK, we didn't expect anything that big!"
I further believe that the incompetence and weaknesses of the american defense and reaction to the attack was exposed as pathetic at best.
Finally I believe that flight 93 was shot down by US air forces and covered up so as make sure that another crash did not happen, to further enrage the population against the attackers and to save the administration further embarassment.
To believe that The U.S. government PLANNED and EXECUTED the attack, and that the Twin Towers were demolished as part of that plan is simple minded fiction put forth by conspiracy nuts who have only served to fog up the situation so that the real facts will never come to light, and even if they did wpould be dismissed as the rantings of said conspiracy oriented nutjobs.
so you dont wanna watch the video then. ok.
the twin towers was controlled demolition. all to see.
the incompetence and weaknesses of the american defense and reaction to the attack was exposed as pathetic .....
u forgot deliberate.
I also believe that the severity of the attack was highly underestimated and left the administration (as well as Osama himself) going"HOLY F*CK, we didn't expect anything that big!"
underestimated? thats why they was performing drills that very day of attacks on the twin towers. yeh ok kharma whateva u say.
To believe that The U.S. government PLANNED and EXECUTED the attack, and that the Twin Towers were demolished as part of that plan is simple minded fiction put forth by conspiracy nuts who have only served to fog up the situation so that the real facts will never come to light, and even if they did wpould be dismissed as the rantings of said conspiracy oriented nutjobs.
operation northwoods. they have staged fake attacks before. look it up. its also on the video. why are you afraid to watch it?
Originally posted by Deano
so you dont wanna watch the video then. ok.
I fear you will not leave it at that.
Originally posted by Deano
the twin towers was controlled demolition. all to see.
This has been discussed ad nauseum. Rational, scientific, archetectural and common sense arguements have been levied agaainst yours (and others) claims, but you have ignored them. That is your choice and your right. As sad as it is, that much I have to agree with.
Originally posted by Deano
u forgot deliberate.
No I didn't, I actually said that they let the attack happen, that implies being delibrate in action (or inaction). However, I don't believe that they were aware of the severity of what was going to happen. See, here again you pick and choose to believe and focus on what some one is saying. You are so intent on proving what you believe that you don't even listen to what others say.
Originally posted by Deano
underestimated? thats why they was performing drills that very day of attacks on the twin towers. yeh ok kharma whateva u say.
Yes, underestimated the effectiveness and the scale of the attack. That's what I said. Good boy, excellent comprehension of the english language.
Originally posted by Deano
operation northwoods. they have staged fake attacks before. look it up. its also on the video.
Yes, I'm sure the Bush administration was involved in "operation northwoods" back in 1962. Operation northwoods was also never implemented. The attacks were proposed by adminstration members to garner public support for a Cuban invasion. Do not try to misuse or misrepresent information to prove your point, it only furthers to emphasis your desperation.
Originally posted by Deano
why are you afraid to watch it?
I am not afraid to watch it. Don't be so childish. It is not an issue of fear. It is an issue of disinterest in the ramblings and misinterpretation by the misled few. And why continue to harras me about whatching it when you just said,"so you dont wanna watch the video then. ok."?
you dont need a demoliton expert to see that it was controlled.
i dont need a weatherman to tell me if its gonna rain.
and im sure many experts here
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
you gonna watch the video kharma? or...
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=85019
http://www.911-strike.com/demolition_explosive.htm
"It had to have been mined," said the gruff, gnarly voice on the other end of the line. "It's real simple. You cannot bring down a building like that without cutting charges set on the support pillars."Bud, an ex-Green Beret who saw heavy combat in Vietnam, should know what he's talking about. Bud had military demolitions training — the kind taught to men who need to know how to blow up hardened targets.
"It couldn't have been done externally like that," added Bud. "Without cutting charges, there's just no way to do it."
Bud didn't want me to use his full name. He was worried about his VA benefits.
One man who wasn't worried about government reprisals was General Benton K. Partin. A retired U.S. Air Force Brigadier General, Partin had responsibility for the design and testing of almost every non-nuclear weapon device used in the Air Force, including precision-guided weapons designed to destroy hardened targets like the Alfred P. Murrah Building. Partin has exhaustively researched the bombing and the resulting pattern of damage.
In a letter dated May 17, 1995, hand-delivered to each member of the Congress and Senate, Partin stated:
When I first saw the pictures of the truck-bomb's asymmetrical damage to the Federal Building, my immediate reaction was that the pattern of damage would have been technically impossible without supplementing demolition charges at some of the reinforcing concrete column bases…. For a simplistic blast truck-bomb, of the size and composition reported, to be able to reach out on the order of 60 feet and collapse a reinforced column base the size of column A-7 is beyond credulity.
The full text of Partin's report, reproduced in the appendix, is too complex to elaborate on here, says a truck filled with ammonium nitrate could not have caused the degree of damage done to the Alfred P. Murrah building. Not when it was parked at least 20 feet away from that building. Without direct contact, the fall-off from the blast would be too great to do any serious structural damage.[5]
Another man who knows a thing or two about bombs is Samuel Cohen, inventor of the Neutron Bomb. Cohen began his career on the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos, where he was charged with studying the effects of the atomic bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. During his 40 year career, Cohen worked with every application of nuclear weapons design and testing.
Cohen stated his position in a letter to Oklahoma State Representative Charles Key:
It would have been absolutely impossible and against the laws of nature for a truck full of fertilizer and fuel oil… no matter how much was used… to bring the building down.
if you watch the video..(please do) you can clearly see the explosions on each pillar. many eyewitnesses also.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html
http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm
Airplane strikes do not destroy skyscrapers. A bomber strike to the Empire State Building during World War II did not harm that building. The World Trade Center towers were designed to survive a strike by a Boeing 707. The 767 is more massive, so the building was stressed near its design limits. But if a failure had occurred at that moment, it would have been at the point of highest levered stress, near the base of the tower, and the tower would have fallen over like a giant tree in a forest windstorm. That, of course, did not happen.
Fires do not destroy skyscrapers. Never in the history of steel frame structures has a single one been destroyed by fire.
http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm
khama u even said you though it was allowed to happen, in my opinion it was much more than that. but lets just say u are right... what kind of government do you have? a lying corrupt government. whether they allowed it or was repsonsible for it.
who gains from 9/11? the wealthy familys who take us to war while they sit around rolling in there trillions of dollars.
also our freedoms die also by the day as this phoney war on terror continues
Originally posted by Deano
you dont need a demoliton expert to see that it was controlled.
i dont need a weatherman to tell me if its gonna rain.
You are comparing the fine nuances of controlled demolition to looking out your window. You make alot of idiotic statements, but that one is in a class all by itself!
Originally posted by Deano
if you watch the video..(please do) you can clearly see the explosions on each pillar
Detonations, or structural failings? I'm sure you are aware that at point of compromise many items shatter or blast apart.
"It had to have been mined," said the gruff, gnarly voice on the other end of the line. "It's real simple. You cannot bring down a building like that without cutting charges set on the support pillars."
Bud, an ex-Green Beret who saw heavy combat in Vietnam, should know what he's talking about. Bud had military demolitions training — the kind taught to men who need to know how to blow up hardened targets.
"It couldn't have been done externally like that," added Bud. "Without cutting charges, there's just no way to do it."
Pardon me if I don't believe the qute from a source only unknown as "Bud". You know why there is no last name or that military demolition tactics specialists are not quoted... (you see where I'm going with this?)
Originally posted by Deano
Airplane strikes do not destroy skyscrapers.
Massive incendiary bombs do though right? No argument there correct? So what is a fully fuelled plane driven into a structure at 600 mph if not a crude incendiary bomb?
Originally posted by Deano
A bomber strike to the Empire State Building during World War II did not harm that building.
Uhm, can we have a comparison on the yield of each explosion? Once you have attained that, you will see your point is moot.
Originally posted by Deano
The World Trade Center towers were designed to survive a strike by a Boeing 707. The 767 is more massive, so the building was stressed near its design limits. But if a failure had occurred at that moment, it would have been at the point of highest levered stress, near the base of the tower, and the tower would have fallen over like a giant tree in a forest windstorm. That, of course, did not happen.
Actually, architects design buildings to collapse in on themselves, Otherwise they would not build gigantic rigid skyscrapers that would wipe out entire city blocks. I got a suggestion for you if you really want to test these theories. Go to an architectural office and politely ask an architect how and why a large building is designed to collapse upon itself.
If you are truly in search of the truth, go do that. I doubt you will as you are actually not in search of the truth and that that would take personal initiative instead of just sitting in front of your monitor regurgitating the ramblings of moronic theorists.
Originally posted by Deano
Fires do not destroy skyscrapers. Never in the history of steel frame structures has a single one been destroyed by fire.
Once again, go see an architect, you will be told different.
Originally posted by Deano
khama u even said you though it was allowed to happen, in my opinion it was much more than that. but lets just say u are right... what kind of government do you have?
You do know that I am not American right? The big Canadian flag should be a subtle hint. My government had nothing to do with 9/11. In fact, I am very proud of my country in they way that it's citizens rose to the occasion.
Your arguments continue to be without merit or sense. You claim to seek the truth, I challenge you to do that, I am sure you won't though.
Originally posted by Deano
many experts would take apart what u said and tell you different.
and I'd love to hear their arguments
Originally posted by Deano
it effects everyone because the elite plan to strip our freedoms in every country. one world government.
Are you trying to cover up that you thought I was american? What does Canada's government have to do with 9/11?
Originally posted by Deano
we are all in this together, patriotism isnt gonna help.
No we are not. You are alone. And if you are against patriotism, why the big union jack?
Originally posted by Deano
will you check out the video please
No I will not. It is propaganda. Will you research the architectural element of your argument by visiting actual architects?
Originally posted by KharmaDog
and I'd love to hear their argumentsand you have, you keep avoiding them. your choice.
Are you trying to cover up that you thought I was american? What does Canada's government have to do with 9/11?i knew u was canadian. all govenments are controlled, believe it or not.
[quote]No we are not. You are alone. And if you are against patriotism, why the big union jack?
i have had that sig before i started to wake up. i shud change it i suppose because i can now see through this silly patriotism business. the sig is sort of a trademark now.
No I will not. It is propaganda. Will you research the architectural element of your argument by visiting actual architects?
how lovely i can liken you to the husband who knows his wife is being unfaithful, but is desperately trying to pursuade himself its not true. When she comes home he confronts her about wheres shes been and who shes been with. The husband knows the truth, but he is desperately hoping that his wifes explanation sounds credible enough for him to go on kidding himself that everything is fine. he wud rather hear a good lie than accept an unpleasant truth. in the same way most people dont want to face the conspiracy and corruption of goverments or ask why the countries go to war against defenceless civilians, including their own.
its up to you now. just watch a bit of the video please🙂 even krunkdefloo liked it😎
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
That documentary is actually pretty damn fascinating.
The amount of supporting data - and even video evidence - was very impressive. The frame-by-frame shots of the towers being blown floor by floor was astonishing, plus the footage of the explosion from the gas station by the Pentagon was incredible - where was the plane? The only thing that let it down was that the narrator sounded about 16 years old...
When goverments deliver the lies and excuses for their grotesque actions most people are ready to accept them becasue they want to believe the lies are true. The alternative is to face the fact the goverment is not a benign servant of the people - its the other way around. It is o face the reality that the forces which control the United States are capable of orchestrating the horrors of 9/11 and blaming someone else; and that they can brazenly attend funeral services for the victims while knowing they helped to kill them. How many people are strong enough to face that and what it means for their lives? This is one major reason why the official lies prevail as accepted truth. The alternative is too unthinkable, too unbearable, to contemplate; so most people dont. Pass me a bucket, heavy on the sand.
Most people find it impossible to accept that a few people can manipulate the billions and operate through all institutions and countries. I understand that; but once you have the pyramids in place and you know how to condition the mind and reality of the population, it is relatively straightforward. When a few people wish to control and direct a mass of humanity, there are certain structures that have to be in place. These are the same whether you are seeking to manipulate an individual, family, tribe, town, country, continent or planet. First you haw to impose the 'norms', what are considered right and wrong, possible or impossible, sane or insane, good and bad. Most of the people will follow those 'norms' without question because of the baa-baa, herd mentality that has prevailed within the collective human mind for at least thousands of years. Second, you have to make life very unpleasant for those few who challenge your imposed 'norms'. The 'norms', or 'consensus reality', are essential to our control.You make those who voice a different view, version of 'truth' and lifestyle, stand out like a black sheep in the human herd. You have already conditioned the herd to accept your norms as its reality and, through arrogance and ignorance, they ridicule or condemn those with a different spin on life. This pressurises the black sheep to conform and selves as a warning to those others in the herd who are also thinking of breaking away or challenging the prevailing reality. As I outlined earlier, this fear of being different and voicing a view that challenges the 'norms' is overwhelmingly the fear of what other people will think of us. In reality, the fear of what the sheep around us will say and do if we seek to leave the herd and question its conditioned assumptions. This mentality means that the masses are policing themselves and keeping each other in line. The sheep become the sheepdog for the rest of the herd. This is nothing less than psychological fascism - the Thought Police with agents in every home, everywhere. They are agents so deeply conditioned that most have no idea they are unpaid mind-controllers. "I'm just doing what's right for my children", I hear them say. No, what you have been programmed to believe is right for them and the belief, also, that only you know best. This is all part of the divide and rule strategy so vital to the few controlling the many. Everyone plays a part in everyone else's mental, emotional and physical imprisonment. All the controllers have to do is set the 'norms', pull the right strings at the right time and make their human puppets dance to the appropriate tune.
This they do by dictating what is taught in what we barely call 'education' and controlling what passes for 'news' through the Illuminati media. In this way they can dictate to the unthinking, unquestioning herd what it should believe about itself, other people, life, history and current events. Once you set the 'norms' there is no need to control every journalist or reporter or government official. The media and the institutions take their 'truth' from those same 'norms' and official statements, and ridicule and condemn by reflex action anyone who offers another vision of reality'.
The self-policing of the human herd goes far deeper than people in uniform or administrators of government. It starts with conditioned parents who impose their conditioning on their children and pressure them to follow their religious, political, economic and cultural norms.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Well, you should check out the video, so you can at least comment objectively....
Reasons why I have yet to check out the video:
-I have checked out much of his videos in the past, and they were all the same melodramadic, misinforming, fact squewing nonsence that did not hold up under speculation. If someone falsly cries wolf 100 times, why should I listen the 101st?
-Deano often encourages to view his evidence and we all have often complied. Time for us to stop encouraging him. He gets his facts through conspiracey theorists and their websites. I challenged him to go out in the REAL and FACTUAL world and investigate his theories bu talking to actual architects. Perhaps when he takes his time to actually investigate his theories, then others will actually take the time to pay attention to them.
-all Deano's points or arguements are not his. They're quotes, copy and pastes or just outright plagiarism. When he takes it upon himself to not only researchhis theories, but actually put them into his own words, then perhaps that may be the time to begin paying attention to him for a reason other than to mock him.
this video is different.ask a fellow kmc'er who also has been on your side in the past when it comes to conspiracys.
[QUOTE=5960380]Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
That documentary is actually pretty damn fascinating.
The amount of supporting data - and even video evidence - was very impressive. The frame-by-frame shots of the towers being blown floor by floor was astonishing, plus the footage of the explosion from the gas station by the Pentagon was incredible - where was the plane? The only thing that let it down was that the narrator sounded about 16 years old...