Originally posted by CreshoskThe missing portion = plot device, going by the logic of that, wolverine wouldn't cut hulk, and if he could at the start, he wouldn't for long.
Not that I disagree with Colossus winning, but Hulk's skin can also deflect bullets, and yet it still is feesable for Wolverine to peirce that. . .Of course that's not to say that he could peirce the ruskie's eyes. It's just that
Wolverine's Claws > .45 caliber magnum bullet
And
Colossus's eyes > .45 caliber bullet.
The formula is incomplete since the .45 caliber feat might not be high end durability feat.
W> 5
C> 5W ? C
WOLVERINE IS NOT THE BEST FIGHTER IN MARVEL, NOR DC!!!!
Originally posted by superman302
Wolverine would lose this, and when Hulk first fought Wolverine, wolverine couldnt cut the hulk but then the comic book comany was like hmmmmm i think people are starting to like this Character so lets make him look bad ass by letting him cut the hulk
I could take a handmade Katana forged out of titanium and try to cut through a wall made of gold (a really "soft" metal)...and would fail, not because the weapon is not sharp or durable enough, but because i would need superstrength to perform this stunt.
Does Wolverine have superstrength? I guess we all know the answer.
So there is no logical way for him to be able to cut Colossus OR the Hulk. ✅
Originally posted by wannabeAnd what would happen if you tried? the blade would dull as it's not as durable as adamantium wouldn't it?
Short, precise and CORRECT!!!I could take a handmade Katana forged out of titanium and try to cut through a wall made of gold (a really "soft" metal)...and would fail, not because the weapon is not sharp or durable enough, but because i would need superstrength to perform this stunt.[/]b
And that's the real problem is the material and how sharp it is. and the resistences of the materials.
When you strike the wall of gold some of the force does indeed bend the metal blade. because if you hit it hard enough the sword would snap or bend wouldn't it?
Now if you were to use a material that does not bend nor break, then that force that bent or broke the sword would instead be applied to the wall.
And due to the aplication of force over a smaller area, it's not like you're trying to cut the wall with a baseball bat.
Originally posted by wannabeIn the strictest sense of the word. . . Wolverine is listed as a 4, in strength, which according to marvel is superhuman strength. . . even if he has the basest, basest amount to barely make him qualify.
[B]Does Wolverine have superstrength? I guess we all know the answer.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI don't follow. could you write out the steps to show "that logic" leding to the outcome of Wolverine starting off being able to cut the hulk, and eventually not being able to?
The missing portion = plot device, going by the logic of that, wolverine wouldn't cut hulk, and if he could at the start, he wouldn't for long.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterNever said he was. This isn't about skill, this is about druability.
WOLVERINE IS NOT THE BEST FIGHTER IN MARVEL, NOR DC!!!!
Originally posted by superman302The reason why doesn't matter. The retcon still occured.
Wolverine would lose this, and when Hulk first fought Wolverine, wolverine couldnt cut the hulk but then the comic book comany was like hmmmmm i think people are starting to like this Character so lets make him look bad ass by letting him cut the hulk
Originally posted by Creshosk
And what would happen if you tried? the blade would dull as it's not as durable as adamantium wouldn't it?And that's the real problem is the material and how sharp it is. and the resistences of the materials.
When you strike the wall of gold some of the force does indeed bend the metal blade. because if you hit it hard enough the sword would snap or bend wouldn't it?
Now if you were to use a material that does not bend nor break, then that force that bent or broke the sword would instead be applied to the wall.
And due to the aplication of force over a smaller area, it's not like you're trying to cut the wall with a baseball bat.
Adamantium may be harder than Titanium but organic steel is also harder than Gold!
A titanium blade would not bend when any of us would hit a gold wall with it, because the STRENGTH we posses does not deliver the necessary force to do so.
The force applied to the wall would still not be enough to tear it apart...and it would not only be applied to the wall but also, if not to the "unbendable" blade, to the one who wields the weapon (you would feel it in your bones and in your back flung arms).
As long as the principles of physics are working in 616, the energy of a hit will NEVER fully be applied to the target!
Originally posted by Creshosk
In the strictest sense of the word. . . Wolverine is listed as a 4, in strength, which according to marvel is superhuman strength. . . even if he has the basest, basest amount to barely make him qualify.
Originally posted by wannabeI'm not saying that Wolverine's claws CAN cut Colossus, or even that they should. I'm merely trying to explain why he is able to cut things with the force he has.
I took Titanium and Gold because of their strong difference in durability!Adamantium may be harder than Titanium but organic steel is also harder than Gold!
As these things happen in the comic books with a consistency that is not a one time shot like bone claw cutting thanos.
Originally posted by wannabeBut the blade would dull. A bending of the material on a smaller scale.
A titanium blade would not bend when any of us would hit a gold wall with it, because the STRENGTH we posses does not deliver the necessary force to do so.
Originally posted by wannabeReal world physics or comic book physics?
The force applied to the wall would still not be enough to tear it apart...and it would not only be applied to the wall but also, if not to the "unbendable" blade, to the one who wields the weapon (you would feel it in your bones and in your back flung arms).
As long as the principles of physics are working in 616, the energy of a hit will NEVER fully be applied to the target!
Originally posted by wannabeThe basest superhuman strength is more than peak human, it doesn't need to be massively large, just more than peak human.
The question would still be: Is this "basest" amount enough?
To cut something as durable as organic steel you would surely need much more than 1ton class superstrength and Wolvie is not even in THIS class.
To be superhuman you simply have to be above the strength a human at maximum potential can achieve. This is accomplished through the adamantium. Being peak human before applying the admanitum. When Wolverine tears the mucle tissue it due to the high rate of cellular regeneration, the mucles heal much faster than a normal human. So his workouts are a bit more effective because they are faster. This would place him at peak human level. Then when you add the adamantium, you can brace the weight off of the adamantium skeleton and gain that extra boost that takes you just barely above peak human.
Anyway, once again, I'm not arguing that he can peirce Colossus's skin, or even his eyeballs. I was merely saying that Wolverine has peirced things that .45 calibre magnum bullets cannot. And that this fact also does not show that he can peirce collosus's eye as we do not know if this is a high level feat of durability, or if Colossus's eye can take much, much more than a .45CM bullet. . .
Originally posted by CreshoskLast comment wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at someone esle.
And what would happen if you tried? the blade would dull as it's not as durable as adamantium wouldn't it?And that's the real problem is the material and how sharp it is. and the resistences of the materials.
When you strike the wall of gold some of the force does indeed bend the metal blade. because if you hit it hard enough the sword would snap or bend wouldn't it?
Now if you were to use a material that does not bend nor break, then that force that bent or broke the sword would instead be applied to the wall.
And due to the aplication of force over a smaller area, it's not like you're trying to cut the wall with a baseball bat.
In the strictest sense of the word. . . Wolverine is listed as a 4, in strength, which according to marvel is superhuman strength. . . even if he has the basest, basest amount to barely make him qualify.
I don't follow. could you write out the steps to show "that logic" leding to the outcome of Wolverine starting off being able to cut the hulk, and eventually not being able to?
Never said he was. This isn't about skill, this is about druability.
It had wolverine unable to cut the hulk, but now he can.
Hulk is denser than colossus, so by that logic...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Um...Colossus's eyes can easily withstand the impact of a .45 caliber magnum bullet.If you don't know how powerful that is, well...find out. I'm lazy.
His eyes will definitely withstand Wolverine's claws.
Not that Wolvie would get anywhere near his face after he's punted to Siberia.
I am so freaking sick and tired of hearing that....
You know what else can withstand a .45 caliber bullet? THE HULL OF A FREAKING TANK.
Who here has not seen Wolverine go through a tank before?
Originally posted by King KAMGoing by your logic lol, many people have defeated wolverine...
Wolverine is the best fighter in marvel, he Ko'ed Shang Chi, Iron Fist, Punisher, DD, and Shatterstar before, all in h2h fights.
He isn't the best, he's like the 5th best, he's dc's batman, maybe.
He doesn't apply all the time though...
Originally posted by King KAMNo repect? He's overrated as shit, its fact he isn't the best, he's ONE of the best, but not the best.
he is atleast second......man...he cant get no damn respect..well hes atleast 3rd if we count COTU, he is as good as captain...he just doesnt get the respect captain gets.
Captain america is marvel's batman...
lol 😛
Originally posted by King KAMWolverine can just barely beat cap...
I am waiting for Wolverine to have his showdown with cap toe to toe, to settle it....i got my money of Wolverine...i think he is better...
Originally posted by Wynndar
Thing jumps in at the last minute and beats them both
Wolverine and cap? Maybe.
Wolverine and colossus? Those fightin words!!!