Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm not saying that Wolverine's claws CAN cut Colossus, or even that they should. I'm merely trying to explain why he is able to cut things with the force he has.
Originally posted by Creshosk
As these things happen in the comic books with a consistency that is not a one time shot like bone claw cutting thanos.
Originally posted by Creshosk
But the blade would dull. A bending of the material on a smaller scale.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Real world physics or comic book physics?
Originally posted by Creshosk
The basest superhuman strength is more than peak human, it doesn't need to be massively large, just more than peak human.
To be superhuman you simply have to be above the strength a human at maximum potential can achieve. This is accomplished through the adamantium. Being peak human before applying the admanitum. When Wolverine tears the mucle tissue it due to the high rate of cellular regeneration, the mucles heal much faster than a normal human. So his workouts are a bit more effective because they are faster. This would place him at peak human level. Then when you add the adamantium, you can brace the weight off of the adamantium skeleton and gain that extra boost that takes you just barely above peak human.
Originally posted by wannabetook the words right out of my mouth
And i'm trying to explain why he shouldn't.The consistent repetition of something rather stupid doesn't make it more believable or even logical. I try to discuss the vs.-confrontations here with more rationalism and less thoughts about readers opinions and wishes in mind than the regular comic writer...though i admit, that this is just ONE possible way of handling things here.
My point was, that the part of the assembled force going into bending the blade is so small, that it can be neglected...and still the wall would not be seriously harmed.
Marvel comics feature the same basics of physics like the real world, there are just some additional aspects when it comes to super powers and super sciences.
Adamantium's only super characteristic is his indestructibility, in all other aspects it's a normal metal, following known real physics.
Wolverines only super characteristics are his senses, the healing factor and some slightly increased physical attributes, in all other aspects going beyond this he is bound to the laws of known real physics.When i said that he would need superhuman strength to cut colossus, i meant something with more impact than "just more than peak human", even if this is enough to pass as superhuman strength...and i think you know that; you seem rather intelligent.
Originally posted by Nataku8188KK is a bit of a fanboy lol.
Please refresh my memory, in how many of his fights with Deadpool has he won?Oh... right...
Wolverine isn't even the second-best fighter in Marvel. Just off the top of my head, both Cap and Elektra can school him. Elektra flat-out EMBARASSED him.
As for Wolverine vs. Hulk ... omigod ... dumbest match-up ever dreamed up in comics. The best representation I ever saw of what would REALLY happen in a fight like that was in Garth Ennis's Confederacy of Dunces, when Hulk sent Wolverine practically into the stratosphere ... which of course still didn't kill him but DID end the fight by effective ring-out.
And yes, I know Ennis loathes Wolverine, but still ... realistically ... that's what would (and should) happen in a Wolverine versus Hulk fight. But I mean, hey, anyone else at Wolverine's level of strength and skill would be KILLED by a Hulk punch, not just sent out of the ring, so it's not like it's much Wolverine hating to point this out. 😉
Originally posted by wannabeWhat good does that do when he does all the time?
And i'm trying to explain why he shouldn't.
Originally posted by wannabeLike in comic books?
The consistent repetition of something rather stupid doesn't make it more believable or even logical.
No, seriously. The idea that we could get superpowers from our DNA being altered or different is a stupid concept. Particularly the more far out powers. Energy projectors/manipulators wouldn't make any sense. The only "mutants" or heros that would make sense are the purely physical types, but even those sometimes stretch the limitations of what's beleiveable.
But this "stupidity" is repeated quite frequently. IT has become an accepted core of being.
Originally posted by wannabeSelective rationalism is not rational in itself.
I try to discuss the vs.-confrontations here with more rationalism and less thoughts about readers opinions and wishes in mind than the regular comic writer...though i admit, that this is just ONE possible way of handling things here.
Originally posted by wannabeThen how would you explain this thing that shouldn't happen but does all the time?
My point was, that the part of the assembled force going into bending the blade is so small, that it can be neglected...and still the wall would not be seriously harmed.[b/]
Originally posted by wannabeBut alot are largely ignored. Newton's third law is quite often discarded.
[B]Marvel comics feature the same basics of physics like the real world,
Originally posted by wannabeAnd this additional data needs to be accounted for as well.
there are just some additional aspects when it comes to super powers and super sciences.
Originally posted by wannabeThat we know of.
Adamantium's only super characteristic is his indestructibility, in all other aspects it's a normal metal, following known real physics.
Originally posted by wannabeI would say that being a comic book character he should obey those physics. As he has derived his powers from a comic book science rather than a real one, and even then his healing factor has done things that it shouldn't anyway. His wounds don't cauterize.
Wolverines only super characteristics are his senses, the healing factor and some slightly increased physical attributes, in all other aspects going beyond this he is bound to the laws of known real physics.
Originally posted by wannabeI'm not saying that he can cut colossus. I'm just trying to explain why he can cut the things he does.
When i said that he would need superhuman strength to cut colossus, i meant something with more impact than "just more than peak human", even if this is enough to pass as superhuman strength...and i think you know that; you seem rather intelligent.
Originally posted by OrestesThe ring out is not a rule here, even if it should. Simply ringing someone out is insufficent here if the person can still return under their own power.
As for Wolverine vs. Hulk ... omigod ... dumbest match-up ever dreamed up in comics. The best representation I ever saw of what would REALLY happen in a fight like that was in Garth Ennis's Confederacy of Dunces, when Hulk sent Wolverine practically into the stratosphere ... which of course still didn't kill him but DID end the fight by effective ring-out.
Originally posted by OrestesAatually since Wolverine was originally a Hulk villian, I'm not too certain of the animosity claim. . . As he would obviously be created to be able to hassle the hulk in the first place. Other wise he'd simply be like a hand ninja to wolverine. . . canon fodder no one would care about.
And yes, I know Ennis loathes Wolverine, but still ... realistically ... that's what would (and should) happen in a Wolverine versus Hulk fight. But I mean, hey, anyone else at Wolverine's level of strength and skill would be KILLED by a Hulk punch, not just sent out of the ring, so it's not like it's much Wolverine hating to point this out. 😉
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterWhich is why I'm saying there has to be something that is being overlooked, like a property of the metal. . .
Well lets get back on topic for a second, becasue this isn't a comic book, if he isn't technically strong enough to force the blade through, he just isn't.
For all we know the claws were sharpened enough to almost be molecularly thi on the edge of the blade. . . not quite THAT sharp, but pretty darned sharp.
So what little force he does have is applied effiecently enough to do the things he does. . .
Originally posted by CreshoskYep, but that is alot of specualtion.
Which is why I'm saying there has to be something that is being overlooked, like a property of the metal. . .For all we know the claws were sharpened enough to almost be molecularly thi on the edge of the blade. . . not quite THAT sharp, but pretty darned sharp.
So what little force he does have is applied effiecently enough to do the things he does. . .
colossus has evolved his metal, and I can see where you are coming from, they are sharp, and exert ALOT of force in a small area, but just not enough.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI'm not going to say one way or another where Colossus is involved. Had Wolverine been able to cut him just once I would have. But as he hasn't I really can't say anything one way or the other on this.
Yep, but that is alot of specualtion.colossus has evolved his metal, and I can see where you are coming from, they are sharp, and exert ALOT of force in a small area, but just not enough.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterThe things I'm refering to are things he's already cut.
Rephrase that for me...
Things he hasn't before that are quite durable I have no way of judging.
We don't know exactly what the properties of Colossus's metal is, they could be akin to Vibranium, which would dampen the force exerted by wolverine in the first place.
I mean look at Cap'n A's sheild for example. . .
Originally posted by CreshoskGotcha
The things I'm refering to are things he's already cut.Things he hasn't before that are quite durable I have no way of judging.
We don't know exactly what the properties of Colossus's metal is, they could be akin to Vibranium, which would dampen the force exerted by wolverine in the first place.
I mean look at Cap'n A's sheild for example. . .