Originally posted by snoopdoggThanks for that, like I said he will annoy Colossus, or hurt him like scraping on a fence.
This is another case of Wolverine not cutting Colossus. He even knew that when playing tag in the danger room.Kitty kneeled down behind Colossus and Wolverine used his claws to push him down.
It must hurt Colossus a little though cause he kinda said owww!
Other than that, no he won't.
Originally posted by Creshosk
What good does that do when he does all the time?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Like in comic books?No, seriously. The idea that we could get superpowers from our DNA being altered or different is a stupid concept. Particularly the more far out powers. Energy projectors/manipulators wouldn't make any sense. The only "mutants" or heros that would make sense are the purely physical types, but even those sometimes stretch the limitations of what's beleiveable.
But this "stupidity" is repeated quite frequently. IT has become an accepted core of being.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Selective rationalism is not rational in itself.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Then how would you explain this thing that shouldn't happen but does all the time?
Originally posted by Creshosk
But alot are largely ignored. Newton's third law is quite often discarded.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And this additional data needs to be accounted for as well.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That we know of.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I would say that being a comic book character he should obey those physics. As he has derived his powers from a comic book science rather than a real one, and even then his healing factor has done things that it shouldn't anyway. His wounds don't cauterize.
Well that should make it pretty clear, Wolverine has attempted to cut him and failed.
Originally posted by wannabeNah, plenty of room for speculation.
We are discussing our opinions and thoughts about comic characters here!
This whole forum would be quite boring and meaningless if we would take all things that happen in the comics unquestioned...wouldn't you agree?!
Originally posted by wannabeWell obviously its not with Wolverine's strength that allows him to cut the things he does. It's obviously in his weaponry, claws sharpened so fine that what little pressure Wolverine does apply is efficenit enough to cut not only steel but titanium alloys.
Along our discussion i made clear, that i'm talking about stupidity within the boundaries of the given fictional world. Superpowers are an integral part of this particular world, so unquestionable. If Wolverine had super strength, a super ability to make him cut steel etc. like he does very often, i would not debate over it or call it a stupid stunt.
That is one of the described abilities of adamantium, being able to cut through most metals like a hot knife through butter.
Originally posted by wannabeAs do I, if something has enough consistency I don't question it as much. Unless of course someone else is being inconsistant about something. . .
When you read any of my other postings in this forum, you will come to see, that my way of debating and using ratio is by no means selective. I use the same criteria and parameters for all characters and comic books.
Originally posted by wannabeAnd?
I already said it SEVERAL TIMES...EXAGGERATION to exploit a characters publicity in giving fanboys what writers think they would like and non thinking about consequences and effects powers and stunts should have...even in a comic.
That means that he doesn't do it?
Originally posted by wannabelaws thjat are ignored exist. . . right. . .
Yes, like those laws are ignored in this case...that's what i'm talking about. Nonetheless these laws exist even in Marvel comics.
Originally posted by wannabetill now?
I always do..like you SHOULD have noticed till now.
Originally posted by wannabeIf their are more porperties (like being said to be able to cut through any metal excpt more adamantium for example)
That's an argument in which way???
Originally posted by wannabeExcept for this time. Your theory isn't working with natural laws due to powers, yes the claws and adamantium are enhancments thatnormal people don't have. I for one don't have the power to extend three claws from my hands. . . Adamantium or otherwise.
When there are things not working with known natural laws due to powers, i do not question them.
Originally posted by wannabebut you still do, despite the adamantium.
As i already said, if wolvie had real super strength, i would not debate at all.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Well that should make it pretty clear, Wolverine has attempted to cut him and failed.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Nah, plenty of room for speculation.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Well obviously its not with Wolverine's strength that allows him to cut the things he does. It's obviously in his weaponry, claws sharpened so fine that what little pressure Wolverine does apply is efficenit enough to cut not only steel but titanium alloys.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That is one of the described abilities of adamantium, being able to cut through most metals like a hot knife through butter.
Originally posted by Creshosk
As do I, if something has enough consistency I don't question it as much. Unless of course someone else is being inconsistant about something. . .
Originally posted by Creshosk
And?That means that he doesn't do it?
Originally posted by Creshosk
laws thjat are ignored exist. . . right. . .
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till now?
Originally posted by Creshosk
If their are more porperties (like being said to be able to cut through any metal excpt more adamantium for example)
Originally posted by Creshosk
Except for this time. Your theory isn't working with natural laws due to powers, yes the claws and adamantium are enhancments thatnormal people don't have. I for one don't have the power to extend three claws from my hands. . . Adamantium or otherwise.
Originally posted by Creshosk
but you still do, despite the adamantium.
Originally posted by wannabe...did you not understand???
"As i already said, if wolvie had real super strength, i would not debate at all."
Originally posted by wannabeAnd I'm saying that's the way it happened.
When this is referring to the comic scan from snoopdogg, i only have to say:"Thats the way it should be (imo)...sparks maybe, but no real cuts!"
Originally posted by wannabeYeah, which there is plenty of room for on these forums.
Last time i checked, speculations were a form of articulating opinions and thoughts.
Originally posted by wannabeWell, my interpritation coincides with the data.
That's your interpretation of given data. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not mine.
An event occurs and I'm trying to understand why, you seem to be saying why it should not have happened, neither of which really changes the fact that the event happened. Your side is needed for a better understanding, especially with challenging antiquainted ideas.
Originally posted by wannabeAppearently Adamantium capitalizes on the force that is being used effiecently enough to succeed. What cuts better? Bronze, iron, steel or titanium?
Titanium alloy blades are also able to cut through gold without difficulty...with the sufficient force behind it.
Originally posted by wannabeI'm not nameing names. Not you, but others who switch to use whatever is in their favor, regardless of waether or not it was in their favor in another place.
That would be who?
Originally posted by wannabeWell part of the discussion involves understanding the characters and what they are capable of. If Wolverine is capable of cutting through titanium on a consistant basis, then things stating that he can't or shouldn't, really don't fit in with the character. and are an abstraction of the character rather than the character itself.
NOOO...OBVIOUSLY NOT!!! It just means that he SHOULDN'T be able to do it IN MY OPINION.
That's what we are discussing here after all: What would happen to these characters in given confrontations in our opinion. And then we try to support and explain our thought in several ways. Or have i misinterpreted the situation?
Originally posted by wannabeUnless they aren't usually shown, and quite contrarily are often not shown, one would question the existence of these in the first place, IF one were to question the existence of other scientific priciples.
Laws that are usually shown and are only ignored in situations when writers think the situation needs more drama or a character more profile...yes.
Originally posted by wannabeYou're quite good. People are known for cleaverly using words in such a way that it's hard to tell what one means exactly.
Sorry, English is not my mother tongue 🙄 I meant "by now"(i guess).
I thought you might have been making a comment on this being our first conflict.
Originally posted by wannabeHmm. . point. Maybe I choose my words poorly before. But that was another property of the metal, though "unbreakability" is questionable as I've seen it broken before. . . And not just by Hulk.
I already answered to this argument above.
Btw...Your comment to my statement that unbreakability is the only super characteristic of adamantium was:"That we know of". This comment is an agreement to given knowledge as stated then, but implies further adamantium characteristics yet unknown. I questioned this agreements validity as an argument and now you justify it with FURTHER "given knowledge" about this metal? ❌
Originally posted by wannabeBut wouldn't that give them a superhuman durability to their bones, enabling them to lift more than before and survive more than before?
No! A normal person without superpowers CAN have an adamantium enhanced skeleton in Marvel (Bullseye).
Wouldn't you consider superhuman durability a power?
Originally posted by wannabeOr a property of the metal. a person can far easier cut down a tree with steel as opposed to something softer, like another wood.
And i don't question otherwise impossible stunts when the DIRECT cause is a super power. The direct effects of Wolverines super abilities are regeneration, hyper senses, enhanced physical attributes and extendable claws...no problem with that. But the direct cause for being able to USE the claws for cutting organic steel (to get back to topic) would be super strength, an ability Logan does not have.
Originally posted by wannabeWhen you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
OF COURSE I DO!!! I explained several times that i don't accept the material of the claws as an explanation for the stunt in question, when imo it should be strength.
Since it couldn't BE his strength it HAS to be something else. The next suspect would be the material you are cutting with.
Originally posted by wannabeThe "why".
My god...which part of... ...did you not understand???
Why question one occurance with only one question if you're trying to get to the truth, when there are other questions that could be asked.
Originally posted by Creshosk
But wouldn't that give them a superhuman durability to their bones, enabling them to lift more than before and survive more than before?
I've got to hear this explanation. How the hell does having an unbreakable skeleton allow you lift more? Seriously, I mean this in a purely scientific way. Explain to me how having an adamantium skeleton allows Wolverine to lift more. I'd love to hear this.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I've got to hear this explanation. How the hell does having an unbreakable skeleton allow you lift more? Seriously, I mean this in a purely scientific way. Explain to me how having an adamantium skeleton allows Wolverine to lift more. I'd love to hear this.
sound right?
Originally posted by King KAM
I dont feel like his Skeleton should be why he is peak human, i feel its his healing factor, it works better than steroids, he can work out more than humanly possible because he wont ache from the intense excersise, allowing him to work harder with faster results and less down time.....sound right?
See, that makes perfect sense. And that's actually how I already assumed it was. That makes 100% perfect sense compared to the skeleton making him stronger thing.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well I actually heard that the adamantium on his bones enhances his strength but not very much. It makes sense to me.But Colossus' whole body is made of steel which is why I always wonder why he wasnt one of the strongest guys in Marvel.
Colossus is one of the strongest (Just purely physical-wise) in Marvel actually, I'd say. I mean, there's like...Gladiator, Hulk, She-Hulk...and then somewhere in there is Colossus. He's quite the powerhouse, I just wish he would be used more often. He's not underrated, just severely underused.
Originally posted by MetalmanxAre you reading his mini series?
Colossus is one of the strongest (Just purely physical-wise) in Marvel actually, I'd say. I mean, there's like...Gladiator, Hulk, She-Hulk...and then somewhere in there is Colossus. He's quite the powerhouse, I just wish he would be used more often. He's not underrated, just severely underused.
Its kinda spooky. The art kinda sucks but the story is good so far.
Originally posted by MetalmanxBy bracing the weight on the bones, or when he punches he's hitting with the equivilent of an adamantium baseball bat.
I've got to hear this explanation. How the hell does having an unbreakable skeleton allow you lift more? Seriously, I mean this in a purely scientific way. Explain to me how having an adamantium skeleton allows Wolverine to lift more. I'd love to hear this.
His healing makes him peak human, the bones push him up a little bit furter than that.
Originally posted by CreshoskGood to know that we agree on that! 🙂
And I'm saying that's the way it happened.
Originally posted by CreshoskWe are going circle on this when you look back on our previous posts! 😉
Yeah, which there is plenty of room for on these forums..
Originally posted by CreshoskUsually i would postulate your logic as flawless and would gladly submit to it. Who am i to question Mr.Holmes (or was it Data or Spock)?😄
Well, my interpritation coincides with the data.An event occurs and I'm trying to understand why, you seem to be saying why it should not have happened, neither of which really changes the fact that the event happened. Your side is needed for a better understanding, especially with challenging antiquainted ideas.
Appearently Adamantium capitalizes on the force that is being used effiecently enough to succeed. What cuts better? Bronze, iron, steel or titanium?.
Well part of the discussion involves understanding the characters and what they are capable of. If Wolverine is capable of cutting through titanium on a consistant basis, then things stating that he can't or shouldn't, really don't fit in with the character. and are an abstraction of the character rather than the character itself.
Or a property of the metal. a person can far easier cut down a tree with steel as opposed to something softer, like another wood.
When you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Since it couldn't BE his strength it HAS to be something else. The next suspect would be the material you are cutting with.
Originally posted by CreshoskAgreed, but leaving this highly theoretical (and imo quite interesting)discussion of ours aside, it's pretty safe to say the Marvel universe is supposed to be a world just like ours with some "super" ADDITIONS. I don't believe the Writers purposely dumped some of the more basic natural laws entirely. I guess they are simply not consciously aware of them from time to time...like most people in the world. But i am, as are you...also in this forum!
Unless they aren't usually shown, and quite contrarily are often not shown, one would question the existence of these in the first place, IF one were to question the existence of other scientific priciples.
Originally posted by CreshoskThank you...and i know what you mean! 🙂
You're quite good. People are known for cleaverly using words in such a way that it's hard to tell what one means exactly..
Originally posted by CreshoskI know, but for the course of our debate, as much as i appreciate accuracy, it's rather nit-picking, is it not?
Hmm. . point. Maybe I choose my words poorly before. But that was another property of the metal, though "unbreakability" is questionable as I've seen it broken before. . . And not just by Hulk..
Originally posted by CreshoskI definitely would! But this superhuman power would be a RESULT of the bonding and we were talking of a non super character being able TO GET this metal!!!
But wouldn't that give them a superhuman durability to their bones, enabling them to lift more than before and survive more than before?Wouldn't you consider superhuman durability a power?
Originally posted by CreshoskI hope i answered this question to your satisfaction.
The "why".Why question one occurance with only one question if you're trying to get to the truth, when there are other questions that could be asked.