Top 10 NBA players

Just some side notes and clarifications:

Tanjot - I do not think Vince is a top 3 player in the league. However, I don't think its completely ridiculous to think so. I just personally do not see him as such and 'most' agree.
-I also would like to point out that you only tend to focus on the "flashy" players as top players. Where is Dirk in your comparisons? It just does not make sense that you'd mention T-Mac yet you don't mention Dirk, Duncan, etc versus Carter.
-I agree that Vince's dunks are better than LeBron's. I think Richardson had the best individual dunks ever in the dunk contests (like off the backboard, between the legs), but Vince's contest was my favorite all time. It was one after another of amazing dunks. Richardson only pulled one amazing dunk out of his ass per year.

GM - Vince is "leagues" above LeBron? Please. I'm sure that even Tanjot doesn't believe that.

You're a dumbass. Vince is faster, more athletic, way better dunker, better shooter, and he has way more style. All that James has on Carter is strength.

My first team would have to be Carter, Marrion, Nash, Stoudamire and Wallace.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
You're a dumbass.

I love unwarranted immaturity 🙂

ok... vince better than kobe? no way. yeah his team got knocked out the playoffs... but his team did way better than anyone expected. vinces team? got to where the seeding would place them as third team in the east and didnt make the east finals. therefore, using LOGIC, by kobe leading his team to a further place than where they should have been shows hes a far better player than vince. hes a better shooter, better defender... dunking? who cares? its all two points. doesnt matter how you make it, its all about getting them.

lebrons dunks overrated? ALL dunks are overrated. i love seeing a guy flush one down dont get me wrong, but its a professional sport, not a circus act. you want flashy stuff? go watch the and-1 stuff. statiscally, lebron is a better player. more assists, more rebounds, more steals, more points.

Originally posted by tanjot
explain yourself when u say they are better at a certain aspect of the game, don't just say they are better because u think so....lebrons dunks are WAY OVERRATED....only thing is he dunks hard, he has no creativity...same dunk every game on a breakaway, and to top it all off he went in the skills challenge instead of the dunk contest, he can dunk but not as well as vince. kenny smith himself said that the only person in this generation that even comes close to vince in dunking is jason richardson.

aside from dunks....i just cannot see how you can tell me im kidding myself that vince is a top 3 player when analysts argue it all the time...in the nba and especially here in raptor land although they may hate him. vince had the best stat line in the playoffs during the pacer series and yet people were criticizing him for the little things, which the announcers during game 5 were talking about. vince gets a lot of undercredit just because he is labelled as being soft and not playing with heart. i understand....he should not have left toronto the way he did, and he was too honest for his own good during interviews just after his first trade, but that was then and this is now...hes a new player and hes better than he has ever been. people seriously need to stop bragging about the past with hatred towards vince and look at what he has done and will continue to do in the present.

who was better this year, vince or t-mac??? no question, vince.
who was better this year, vince or iverson?? no question, vince.
who was better this year, vince or kobe??? kobe a.k.a ball hog during the season, but vince in the playoffs where it matters and his team made it farther in the playoffs so...vince.
who was better this year, vince or lebron?? ill say its a tie, both had a great season and their teams made it just as far in the playoffs.
who was better this season, vince or wade?? both had a great season but vince played better and had a better stat line to show during his time in the playoffs but since wade's team won the title.......wade.

1. Nobody said anything about T-Mac being better than Carter. Kyle Korver had a better year than T-Mac.
2. Talking about playoffs, yeah Carter wins, but put Carter on the Sixers, he will not get any further than Iverson did. Also, Iverson averaged 9 more points that Carter, 3 assists more, and only 2 rebounds less.
3. Lebron had a better season then Carter statistically, and in the Playoffs, he played better than Vince, and single handily got the Pistons to game 6. Vince got it to what, 5 game series? Or was it 6? He also had a lot of help from Kidd and Jefferson, and when he didn't have any help, and scored all the points, they lost.
4. Kobe's team sucks. Nobody expeced them to get where they were. And they also had to play the Suns. Suns are way better than the Pacers. Nets would not have gotten passed the Suns.
5. With Wade it is no contest. Wade played way better in the playoffs. Won the title. Had a better season statistically. Without Wade the Heat wouldnt have gotten passed the Bulls.
6. I can give two shits about dunks. You can't say the Lebron is a way better dunker than Carter, or Carter than Lebron. Also, Iggy's off the back of the backboard dunk > anything Vince Carter has done.

And GM, you are the dumbass. You provide no proof at all to what you are saying and you don't make any sense. At least Tanjot makes some sense.

Originally posted by Myth
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Only an idiot, huh? Now tanjot, you'd have to agree that this statement above does not bode well for GM Nebaris being a reliable source to agree with. I'm assuming you (tanjot) who agrees that its not idiotic to think such a thing (even if you don't agree).

GM - How about you say something semi intelligent rather than calling about 95% of the people on this forum an idiot. Tanjot I respect for at least voicing his opinions trying to use logic. You? Well........

yeah...i do agree with him on his opinion, but not the way he said it. others can make a good argument for wade, kobe, lebron, and iverson...so gm...it would be better to clarify your opinion rather than swear.

Originally posted by darth_royke
ok... vince better than kobe? no way. yeah his team got knocked out the playoffs... but his team did way better than anyone expected. vinces team? got to where the seeding would place them as third team in the east and didnt make the east finals. therefore, using LOGIC, by kobe leading his team to a further place than where they should have been shows hes a far better player than vince. hes a better shooter, better defender... dunking? who cares? its all two points. doesnt matter how you make it, its all about getting them.

lebrons dunks overrated? ALL dunks are overrated. i love seeing a guy flush one down dont get me wrong, but its a professional sport, not a circus act. you want flashy stuff? go watch the and-1 stuff. statiscally, lebron is a better player. more assists, more rebounds, more steals, more points.

yeah..this is kindof an excuse...but had clifford robinson not been suspended in the second round against miami, the nets would have knocked off miami....people may not look at clifford robinson as having much impact but he really stretches out the defence and has a greater inside and outside presence as a sixth man than lamon murray who couldnt hit a clutch 3 to save his life. clifford robinson averaged about 12ppg against miami in their season seriesm obviously more than lamond.

this is not an excuse..im just saying, on miami...everyone contributed..jason williams, shaq, wade, walker, and haslem. as for the nets, the only players that contributed anything in the nets vs miami series were the big three and jason collins defensively on shaq, nenad krstic did absolutely nothing missing open jumpshot after open jumpshot off of the big three. the only credit i give krstic is that he had a great series against the pacers.

Originally posted by Myth
Just some side notes and clarifications:

Tanjot - I do not think Vince is a top 3 player in the league. However, I don't think its completely ridiculous to think so. I just personally do not see him as such and 'most' agree.
-I also would like to point out that you only tend to focus on the "flashy" players as top players. Where is Dirk in your comparisons? It just does not make sense that you'd mention T-Mac yet you don't mention Dirk, Duncan, etc versus Carter.
-I agree that Vince's dunks are better than LeBron's. I think Richardson had the best individual dunks ever in the dunk contests (like off the backboard, between the legs), but Vince's contest was my favorite all time. It was one after another of amazing dunks. Richardson only pulled one amazing dunk out of his ass per year.

GM - Vince is "leagues" above LeBron? Please. I'm sure that even Tanjot doesn't believe that.

i still think vince is better than lebron but not leagues above as gm stated. stats dont prove everything....like i have said earlier there is a difference between players who do only what they have to in order to win and then theres players who do what they have to in order to win and have the best stat line of the game....like lebron. i reaaally think that lebron cares a whole lot about his stat line.

I see LeBron above Carter because his Cavs did as much as the Nets but LeBron did it with less. Game 7 vs the Pistons with nobody else to help shoulder the load? Thats saying something.

And as many always say, "Stats aren't everything." That is true, but they do show a lot. And one of the stats that I see as very significant is that LeBron scores quite a bit more (what is it, 7 or 8 ppg?) while shooting a better %.

Originally posted by Myth
I see LeBron above Carter because his Cavs did as much as the Nets but LeBron did it with less. Game 7 vs the Pistons with nobody else to help shoulder the load? Thats saying something.

And as many always say, "Stats aren't everything." That is true, but they do show a lot. And one of the stats that I see as very significant is that LeBron scores quite a bit more (what is it, 7 or 8 ppg?) while shooting a better %.

i know everyone sees the nets as a better team because they have a history as a winning team and also because of the ever famous big three..but aside from the big three, and jason collins only defensively, no one else did anything against miami in the second round...surpisingly krstic was missing every open jumper he took. the cavs have ilgauskas (former all star), larry hughes, damon jones(deadly shooter), drew gooden, and ronald murray which to me seems like a better all around team than the nets have. the nets dont have a bench aside from clifford roboinson who got suspended after game 1 as i stated earlier. everyone says lebron has taken the cavs so far in so little time, while carter single handedly brought the raps even closer...within a shot of the eastern conference finals, in his first 3 years in the league and that is something you must admit whether or not u are a raptor fan, despite how much you might hate vince. you must know that our status as a city and country would never had reached that level without vince...and dont think im boosting vince right now because im not.

you know that vince was very arguebly the best player in the playoffs this year during his time there...vince did everything he could, its others that were not contributing. i guarantee you...had nenad krstic or lamond murray both made 40% of the open looks they got off vince, vince would have averaged atleast 10asp. a net fan that watched all the nets playoff games would say thats pretty obvious.

Originally posted by DanZeke25
1. Nobody said anything about T-Mac being better than Carter. Kyle Korver had a better year than T-Mac.
2. Talking about playoffs, yeah Carter wins, but put Carter on the Sixers, he will not get any further than Iverson did. Also, Iverson averaged 9 more points that Carter, 3 assists more, and only 2 rebounds less.
3. Lebron had a better season then Carter statistically, and in the Playoffs, he played better than Vince, and single handily got the Pistons to game 6. Vince got it to what, 5 game series? Or was it 6? He also had a lot of help from Kidd and Jefferson, and when he didn't have any help, and scored all the points, they lost.
4. Kobe's team sucks. Nobody expeced them to get where they were. And they also had to play the Suns. Suns are way better than the Pacers. Nets would not have gotten passed the Suns.
5. With Wade it is no contest. Wade played way better in the playoffs. Won the title. Had a better season statistically. Without Wade the Heat wouldnt have gotten passed the Bulls.
6. I can give two shits about dunks. You can't say the Lebron is a way better dunker than Carter, or Carter than Lebron. Also, Iggy's off the back of the backboard dunk > anything Vince Carter has done.

And GM, you are the dumbass. You provide no proof at all to what you are saying and you don't make any sense. At least Tanjot makes some sense.

some analysts try to make it seem as if vince is selfish when he scores 43 points in game 4 and the nets lose...but hes not, the plays are all set for him on ISOs, which means he is just going one on one, and when he does pass his teammates continously clank open jumpers. jason kidd and richard jefferson do not help vince NEARLY as much as everyone says they do. again, every single nets fan out there would tell you its pretty obvious that over 60% of vince's points come off iso plays and the rest pick and rolls.

just to add something....josh smith's all star team would be wade, shaq. kobe, steve nash, and vince(who dunked on him). ......................no lebron, no iverson.

for those who watch nba xl...u may have seen this interview.

I don't think Josh Smith has much clout 😬

Originally posted by tanjot
some analysts try to make it seem as if vince is selfish when he scores 43 points in game 4 and the nets lose...but hes not, the plays are all set for him on ISOs, which means he is just going one on one, and when he does pass his teammates continously clank open jumpers.

Oh the irony. You basically described Kobe's (who you continually label a ball hog) regular season.

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yeah but the difference is vince gets his teammates atleast 5-10 open jumpers a game on which they always shoot below 30%....kobe is labelled a ball hog because he does not pass the ball much whether he knows its the smart thing to do or not.

Originally posted by tanjot
i enjoyed this one the most....

During one of his hilarious game-intros: “Tonight the Spurs look to extend their lead to 3-0 over the Lakers. This time, however, they will have to do it on the Lakers’ home court. Duncan and Shaq have been magnificent for both teams, but so far the edge has gone to San Antonio. However, the real story line that awaits us tonight in Los Angeles is whether or not Kobe Bryant will actually throw a pass!”

i should have edited earlier...but adding to my point, bill walton agrees.

Originally posted by tanjot
i should have edited earlier...but adding to my point, bill walton agrees.

Yes, but Bill Walton is also a complete dumbass.

And you act like Vince Carter is the only person who has players who miss shots on his team. This was ALL year for Wade, with Walker, Williams, and everybody else.

Originally posted by tanjot
yeah but the difference is vince gets his teammates atleast 5-10 open jumpers a game on which they always shoot below 30%....kobe is labelled a ball hog because he does not pass the ball much whether he knows its the smart thing to do or not.

Ah f**k it, whats the point? 🙄

Originally posted by DanZeke25
Yes, but Bill Walton is also a complete dumbass.

And you act like Vince Carter is the only person who has players who miss shots on his team. This was ALL year for Wade, with Walker, Williams, and everybody else.

u watched the playoffs and yet you're telling there was absolutely no difference....??? ALL of antoine, udonis, and jason william's points came off wade and shaq bcz they were sticking open jumpers.