Pre-Crisis Darkseid runs the Cosmic/God Gauntlet...

Originally posted by Beyonder

C'mon man. Please stop with this. Yeah, DC Odin did create a pocket universe. Does that mean Darkseid can too? Even at his best, what's PC Darkseid's greatest feat?

Um. No. Listen you obviously don't know the first thing about Darkseid. Which is readily apparent. Research first then make comments against the character. 🙄

Darkseid never made a pocket universe. What's PC Darkseid's greatest feat? Depends on opinion. In my opinion it would be defeating the Spectre powered by the Presence. Or stalemating the Highfather. Or defeating PC Valdius. Or defeating Infinity Man. Or defeating DC Odin and the entire Asgardian Race, thus completing his collection of pantheons. All done easily with so much of a wave of his hand.

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Originally posted by Beyonder
Cause if you want, I'll bring up that incident of Odin and Seth's fight sending shockwaves throught the multiverse as a counter.

So? DC Odin is much more powerful. He actually destroyed Surtur banishing his remains to universe he himself created. AND he managed to disarm and defeat the Thunderbolt himself who in PC was Skyfather-level.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Defeated Spectre? Since when did he do that?

During the Infinite Crisis. Just before Darkseid destroyed the Anti-Monitor. He let Superman finish him off to humilate him.

And you claim superior knowledge of the character? 🙄

Originally posted by Beyonder
And no, Spectre doesn't even get permission from the Source. Spectre serves the Presence; the New Gods are connected to the Source. And Spectre wasn't even powered by Presence. Darkseid survied because he was essential to the universe.

Dude. The Source is PART of the Presence. It's literally the same thing. 😬

The Presence\Source\What ever the hell you want to call it decreeded that the Spectre destroy and wipe the DC Universe the Anti-Monitor was presently in. Which was thousands of universes comprising the Multiverse. And he was just about to accomplish it...until Darkseid kicked his ass.

A Fully-Powered Spectre at that.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Since when is Darkseid omnipotent? Anti-monitor makes him look like a dirty rag.

This sentence ALONE proves you nothing about the character. Darkseid DESTROYED the Anti-Monitor. He gave him the proverbial finger in his face and let Superman destroy him in utter humilation.

Darkseid is an omnipresecent. He is "the tiger-force at the heart of creation". His appearances in the DC Comics are merely avatars, " a small extrusion of a part of his nearly infinite energy". This was proven in his battle with Blasfemy.

Originally posted by Beyonder
And no he ain't the Devil. His title was that he was "the God the Devil prays to."

If you don't consider the anti-thesis to the Source itself not the Devil, sure. 🙄

Originally posted by Beyonder
Still, that's just a title. Again, what's his greastest feat?

See above. Oh I forgot to mention his defeating of the Time Trapper. Time Trapper was basically the Beyonder of the 1980s. Another great feat involves breaking the Source Wall and projecting his godly powers into the Presence itself causing it pain.

I continually respect your knowledge about Marvel Characters. But you're knowledge of DC characters has and is quite low. Especially when it comes to DC Cosmic Beings.

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Originally posted by Draco69
[B]Um. No. Listen you obviously don't know the first thing about Darkseid. Which is readily apparent. Research first then make comments against the character. 🙄

Darkseid never made a pocket universe. What's PC Darkseid's greatest feat? Depends on opinion. In my opinion it would be defeating the Spectre powered by the Presence. Or stalemating the Highfather. Or defeating PC Valdius. Or defeating Infinity Man. Or defeating DC Odin and the entire Asgardian Race, thus completing his collection of pantheons. All done easily with so much of a wave of his hand.

Um right. He beat Spectre w/ Presence's power. Scans if you have them.

Highfather > Spectre w/ Presence backing him up? That what your saying?

So? DC Odin is much more powerful. He actually destroyed Surtur banishing his remains to universe he himself created. AND he managed to disarm and defeat the Thunderbolt himself who in PC was Skyfather-level.[quote]

Right because DC Surtur is equal to Marvel Surtur. I guess Marvel Ares is equal to DC Ares then huh?

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During the Infinite Crisis. Just before Darkseid destroyed the Anti-Monitor. He let Superman finish him off to humilate him.

Scans anyone. If PC Darkseid was that powerful, why need the Anti-Life Equation to control the universe?

And you claim superior knowledge of the character? 🙄

Dude. The Source is PART of the Presence. It's literally the same thing. 😬

Dude, it's NOT the same thing. The Source comes from the Presence. Spectre gets it from Presence, not the Source. Lucifer and Michael talk to the Presence, they ignore the Source.

The Presence\Source\What ever the hell you want to call it decreeded that the Spectre destroy and wipe the DC Universe the Anti-Monitor was presently in. Which was thousands of universes comprising the Multiverse. And he was just about to accomplish it...until Darkseid kicked his ass.

A Fully-Powered Spectre at that.

Seriously, because it makes sense.

PC Darkseid > Anti-Monitor > Spectre (who decreed and empowered Spectre to destroy Anti-Monitor)

Right. That makes so much sense. Even Presence empowering Spectre can't beat Anti-Monitor but PC Darkseid can.

...now where did it say Spectre was powered by Presence again?

loses at Zeus.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Um right. He beat Spectre w/ Presence's power. Scans if you have them.

Highfather > Spectre w/ Presence backing him up? That what your saying?

Scans anyone. If PC Darkseid was that powerful, why need the Anti-Life Equation to control the universe?

Dude, it's NOT the same thing. The Source comes from the Presence. Spectre gets it from Presence, not the Source. Lucifer and Michael talk to the Presence, they ignore the Source.

Seriously, because it makes sense.

PC Darkseid > Anti-Monitor > Spectre (who decreed and empowered Spectre to destroy Anti-Monitor)

Right. That makes so much sense. Even Presence empowering Spectre can't beat Anti-Monitor but PC Darkseid can.

...now where did it say Spectre was powered by Presence again?

Originally posted by Beyonder
You sure about that? Galactus was treating Agamotto like an nuissance, while Agamotto couldn't careless about Galactus or his mission.

The other Vishantis were more worried the fight would wreck their dimension and others. Good fight, neither had an edge.

Galactus treats everyone like a nuissance, he just thought Agamatto was a large alien catapiller.

Strange was worried that Ag' would kill Galactus, and he said that G couldn't physically harm Ag' at all.

No edge to either since it was broken up, but it's kinda obvious who would have won over time.

Here ya go.

The new edit feature is ****ing sweet.

Hmmm Galactus would of eventually lost, he didn't seem to be hurting agamotto remotely.

Odin or Zeus would probably already stop him. And in crossover he already lost Galactus with ease.

PC Darkseid > Anti-Monitor > Spectre (who decreed and empowered Spectre to destroy Anti-Monitor)

Right. That makes so much sense. Even Presence empowering Spectre can't beat Anti-Monitor but PC Darkseid can.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Odin or Zeus would probably already stop him. And in crossover he already lost Galactus with ease.

Originally posted by long pig
Here ya go.

The new edit feature is ****ing sweet.

What happens next ? 🙂

Also, Hal Jordan as the Spectre killed Darkseid by waving his hand.

Originally posted by Juntai
Also, Hal Jordan as the Spectre killed Darkseid by waving his hand.

thats considerably post crisis though Juntai

Originally posted by Draco69
Um. No. Listen you obviously don't know the first thing about Darkseid. Which is readily apparent. Research first then make comments against the character. 🙄

Darkseid never made a pocket universe. What's PC Darkseid's greatest feat? Depends on opinion. In my opinion it would be defeating the Spectre powered by the Presence. Or stalemating the Highfather. Or defeating PC Valdius. Or defeating Infinity Man. Or defeating DC Odin and the entire Asgardian Race, thus completing his collection of pantheons. All done easily with so much of a wave of his hand.

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So? DC Odin is much more powerful. He actually destroyed Surtur banishing his remains to universe he himself created. AND he managed to disarm and defeat the Thunderbolt himself who in PC was Skyfather-level.

During the Infinite Crisis. Just before Darkseid destroyed the Anti-Monitor. He let Superman finish him off to humilate him.

And you claim superior knowledge of the character? 🙄

Dude. The Source is PART of the Presence. It's literally the same thing. 😬

The Presence\Source\What ever the hell you want to call it decreeded that the Spectre destroy and wipe the DC Universe the Anti-Monitor was presently in. Which was thousands of universes comprising the Multiverse. And he was just about to accomplish it...until Darkseid kicked his ass.

A Fully-Powered Spectre at that.

This sentence ALONE proves you nothing about the character. Darkseid DESTROYED the Anti-Monitor. He gave him the proverbial finger in his face and let Superman destroy him in utter humilation.

Darkseid is an omnipresecent. He is "the tiger-force at the heart of creation". His appearances in the DC Comics are merely avatars, " a small extrusion of a part of his nearly infinite energy". This was proven in his battle with Blasfemy.

If you don't consider the anti-thesis to the Source itself not the Devil, sure. 🙄

See above. Oh I forgot to mention his defeating of the Time Trapper. Time Trapper was basically the Beyonder of the 1980s. Another great feat involves breaking the Source Wall and projecting his godly powers into the Presence itself causing it pain.

I continually respect your knowledge about Marvel Characters. But you're knowledge of DC characters has and is quite low. Especially when it comes to DC Cosmic Beings.

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He used to play with time like a toy, he created Validus, defeated pre crisis Mordru who would stomp Strange with a wave of the hand etc. Read legion of Superheroezs "The Great Darkness saga".

Probably the greatest precrisis DC run 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
thats considerably post crisis though Juntai

from seeing the scans it was a stalemate...strange wasnt worried that galactus was gonna get killed per se either

he was thinking "suppose galactus died...this is what would happen"

PC darkseid would stop all over odin and make him his beer b*tch

Originally posted by yahman
What happens next ? 🙂

Galactus and Strange leave.

i don't think ag would have been able to finish g off. g would have realized WHAT he was fighting and changed tactics. he was overconfident and didn't realize what ag was. which is pretty f'n stupid considering the cosmic awareness g should possess . . .

anyway, i don't see much difference from zeus to ag. all are considered variously omnipotent in their spheres. darkseid doesn't require being in any special place to use all his power and, in any event, his power source transcends ALL dimensions and universes. i'm not entirely sure where draco dug up some of his info (nor can i confirm or deny some of it), but pre-c darkseid never really 'lost' or was 'defeated' that i'm aware of. he simply was more powerful than anyone and everyone was afraid of him. originally, as whirly pointed out, he and darkseid were considered at least equals. imo, pre-c darkseid would reach at least galactus, and likely without much difficulty.

After Darkseid absrbed the power of so many Pantheons he killed across the universe, even Odin seemed wary of his power, stating to The Asgardian Pantheon that it was beyond their ability to reckon:
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And if you think they're much weaker than Marvel's version, this Odin created a pocket universe, and Darkseid, while destroying other Pantheons wholesale, FEARED Odin up until JKFW#4, where he had gained enough power to defeat Odin. Also, DC Thor fought the Wonder Woman-level Big Barda, it being a breif stalemate with him holding the obvious edge, and Mr. Miracle states that Barda can't stand up to Thor long before her inevitable defeat (he then interferes and takes Thor out himself with his newfound God powers which gave him team-wrecking status before he gave them up). That she was even able to stand up to him as long as she did was stated as a testament to her mettle, despite being outclassed in power by Thor. Also, DC Odin banished DC Surtur to his pocket universe, where he stalemated the combined JSA, including the Skyfather-level Thunderbolt:
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During The Hunger, Darkseid used his matter and energy manipulation abilities to create and empower automatons with the strength to stagger Galactus, hungry as he was, and 'Seid did it with nothing more than a thought:
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Darkseid also easily defeated the Silver Surfer and flayed off some of his silver skin, prompting him to scream in agony, with one blast of The Omega Beams:
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During GDS, Darkseid proved capable of teleporting Apokolips and Daxam at once, holding them literally in his mind as they're switching locations and galaxies, and mind-controlling 3 billion Daxamites:
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Others who fell by Darkseid's power include The Time Trapper, who created a pocket universe: http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p43f96c55a3c80cb0fea2485461528b3f/fa661ac1.jpg

During Crisis, Darkseid sheilded The New Gods' continuum from its effects and ensured its survival by chanelling his Omega Beams through Alex Luthor, who acted as a conduit between Apokolips and the normal DC continuum, with Darkseid's tech (his "science"😉 allowing him to shoot Omega Beams ("gaze"😉 through Alex's eyes at The Anti-Monitor. The Anti-Monitor is dying, afterwards, y his own admission. He's also weakened to the point where Superman destroys him with one punch, when before, all of the heroes combined couldn't dent him and he defeated The Spectre:
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Darkseid revives a slain Orion (right after he killed him):
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Darkseid projects his dark essence into The Source, and forces it to open itself to him, as his very essence causes it agony, which, taken at base value, appears at least a skyfather-level feat:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p50e4e9ce1cb5f7accdae4df5cc642e7a/f9143934.jpg

Here, Darkseid TKOes Doomsday, rendering him helpless and beaten for the time being, and leaves him buried under rubble, which he then turns to lava, via Omega Beams, and walks off as it dries. While DD eventually revives, after it's dried, and takes some revenge on Darkseid via a sneak attack, the writer of this scene and Doomsday's creater has stated that he had in mind that Darkseid would defeat Doomsday 15/20 when he made this scene:
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In Super Powers vol.2 #6, Darkseid, with a wave of his hand, projected his power through a hologram of himself, and effortlessly defeated Superman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, and multiple other heroes --- Jack Kirby himself collaborated on this scene:
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Originally posted by Beyonder

Dude, it's NOT the same thing. The Source comes from the Presence. Spectre gets it from Presence, not the Source. Lucifer and Michael talk to the Presence, they ignore the Source

The Source and the Presence are basically aspects of Yahweh. Who is Dc's god. Many people thought the Presence to be the top being in DC when that was in fact an aspect itself, just like the Word and the Source. Presence(Father) Word(Son) Source(Holy Spirit)

As for Lucifer ignoring the Source that incident wasnt anything like how its been made out by a lot of people here. Lucifer merely flew beyond Yahwehs universe where the Source resided because from there you could see "everything in the universe at once" because he had no business with the Source and was only after a vantage point he ignored it and focused on the battle that was taking place on Earth.