Pre-Crisis Darkseid runs the Cosmic/God Gauntlet...

okay, i understand what you're saying. i may simply have been too long winded in my response to get my point across clearly. i guess what i'd like to know is what purpose does it serve to go into kabbalah when discussing the character? if, as you've said, she's the only one kabbalah is relevent to then there is no . . . frame of reference by which to make the comparison TO other characters. i use the lt example only because it's close to hand, but lt has no basis in kabbalah (as per his origin) so comparing the 2 and lt's possible role in things (relative to kabbalah) just doesn't work. it's like dropping a character out of a black and white movie into a colour movie and comparing everything to the balck and white movie.

i have no problem with you appreciating or being clever enough to acknowledge the terms, i just don't see how they can be used as a source of comparison when discussing other characters that do not fit in with kabbalah.

anyway, interesting discussion. later.

Originally posted by leonidas
okay, i understand what you're saying. i may simply have been too long winded in my response to get my point across clearly. i guess what i'd like to know is what purpose does it serve to go into kabbalah when discussing the character? if, as you've said, she's the only one kabbalah is relevent to then there is no . . . frame of reference by which to make the comparison TO other characters. i use the lt example only because it's close to hand, but lt has no basis in kabbalah (as per his origin) so comparing the 2 and lt's possible role in things (relative to kabbalah) just doesn't work. it's like dropping a character out of a black and white movie into a colour movie and comparing everything to the balck and white movie.

i have no problem with you appreciating or being clever enough to acknowledge the terms, i just don't see how they can be used as a source of comparison when discussing other characters that do not fit in with kabbalah.

anyway, interesting discussion. later.

I dont try to use Kaballah to define the entire Marvel cosmology because that doesnt work. I merely explain any terms stated in the comics which themselves refer to and explain on panel events. Phoenixes role in Marvel is more often than not defined through this terminology so any discussion about phoenix is consequently going to bring with it kabballah references. The terminology when translated explains phoenixs role in marvel. Without doing so you are left with a very sparse picture of phoenix. You simply would not be able to discuss the character successfully in its current state in continuity. Thats its significance.

Other characters dont have to fit in to Kaballah for you to draw comparisons between them and Phoenix. I agree with you that Kaballah cant be used to define the roles of other characters in Marvel but thats something i dont do. Your LT example was based on a passing comment of mine from many months ago. So im just confused as to why you posted so much telling how you disagree with methods i dont employ. Especially when theres been many a phoenix debate over the last month or so and not once have i done anything but explain the terminology used on panel to refer to events in the title. I'll explain the terminology and relate what it means for phoenix in Marvel but thats the extent of my reliance on Kaballah.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I dont try to use Kaballah to define the entire Marvel cosmology because that doesnt work. I merely explain any terms stated in the comics which themselves refer to and explain on panel events. Phoenixes role in Marvel is more often than not defined through this terminology so any discussion about phoenix is consequently going to bring with it kabballah references. The terminology when translated explains phoenixs role in marvel. Without doing so you are left with a very sparse picture of phoenix. You simply would not be able to discuss the character successfully in its current state in continuity. Thats its significance.

Other characters dont have to fit in to Kaballah for you to draw comparisons between them and Phoenix. I agree with you that Kaballah cant be used to define the roles of other characters in Marvel but thats something i dont do. Your LT example was based on a passing comment of mine from many months ago. So im just confused as to why you posted so much telling how you disagree with methods i dont employ. Especially when theres been many a phoenix debate over the last month or so and not once have i done anything but explain the terminology used on panel to refer to events in the title. I'll explain the terminology and relate what it means for phoenix in Marvel but thats the extent of my reliance on Kaballah.

So its fillibuster 🙂

posting "jgg" soon 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
posting "jgg" soon 🙂

Please do, I forgot what happened during "jgg" already.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Please do, I forgot what happened during "jgg" already.

I can't remeber either 🙂

I must get it 🙂

<<So im just confused as to why you posted so much telling how you disagree with methods i dont employ.>>

you may be right here. it just seems whenever a pf discussion crops up, it's all about kabbalah. lt and toaa often enter into the discussion, but it may be others that use some of the info and extend it. i remain unconvinced that a kowledge of kabbalah and its terms is needed to understand the character in the marvel context though. can't imagine a writer defining a character on a premise 99.5% of readers will not understand, nor do i see how you can view ONE character in such a light when no others are in a similar light. in that regard, i see exactly what whirly is saying. kabbalah is so broad (and has never been mentioned overtly, as far as i know) that dealing with one character based upon some of its terms just . . . doesn't seem to work for me because again, there is no frame of reference by which to compare AGAINST.

anyway, thanks for the clarification. believe me, i raised the issues more in curiosity and wasn't trying to be accusatory or insulting. though i believe you never really told me the TRUE reason you love dipping into kabbalah -- it drives whirly nuts!

Originally posted by leonidas
<<So im just confused as to why you posted so much telling how you disagree with methods i dont employ.>>

you may be right here. it just seems whenever a pf discussion crops up, it's all about kabbalah. lt and toaa often enter into the discussion, but it may be others that use some of the info and extend it. i remain unconvinced that a kowledge of kabbalah and its terms is needed to understand the character in the marvel context though. can't imagine a writer defining a character on a premise 99.5% of readers will not understand, nor do i see how you can view ONE character in such a light when no others are in a similar light. in that regard, i see exactly what whirly is saying. kabbalah is so broad (and has never been mentioned overtly, as far as i know) that dealing with one character based upon some of its terms just . . . doesn't seem to work for me because again, there is no frame of reference by which to compare AGAINST.

anyway, thanks for the clarification. believe me, i raised the issues more in curiosity and wasn't trying to be accusatory or insulting. though i believe you never really told me the TRUE reason you love dipping into kabbalah -- it drives whirly nuts!

No Leo I just think of Madonna 😄 that drives me nuts

madonna!!?

curlers

Originally posted by leonidas
<<So im just confused as to why you posted so much telling how you disagree with methods i dont employ.>>

you may be right here. it just seems whenever a pf discussion crops up, it's all about kabbalah. lt and toaa often enter into the discussion, but it may be others that use some of the info and extend it. i remain unconvinced that a kowledge of kabbalah and its terms is needed to understand the character in the marvel context though. can't imagine a writer defining a character on a premise 99.5% of readers will not understand, nor do i see how you can view ONE character in such a light when no others are in a similar light. in that regard, i see exactly what whirly is saying. kabbalah is so broad (and has never been mentioned overtly, as far as i know) that dealing with one character based upon some of its terms just . . . doesn't seem to work for me because again, there is no frame of reference by which to compare AGAINST.

anyway, thanks for the clarification. believe me, i raised the issues more in curiosity and wasn't trying to be accusatory or insulting. though i believe you never really told me the TRUE reason you love dipping into kabbalah -- it drives whirly nuts!

rolling your eyes at the choir . . .

Originally posted by Beyonder
Please do, I forgot what happened during "jgg" already.

here it is my friend and to all other comic fans I give you once again "jgg"

Enjoy

kisss