Originally posted by supremthor
After Darkseid absrbed the power of so many Pantheons he killed across the universe, even Odin seemed wary of his power, stating to The Asgardian Pantheon that it was beyond their ability to reckon:
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And if you think they're much weaker than Marvel's version, this Odin created a pocket universe, and Darkseid, while destroying other Pantheons wholesale, FEARED Odin up until JKFW#4, where he had gained enough power to defeat Odin. Also, DC Thor fought the Wonder Woman-level Big Barda, it being a breif stalemate with him holding the obvious edge, and Mr. Miracle states that Barda can't stand up to Thor long before her inevitable defeat (he then interferes and takes Thor out himself with his newfound God powers which gave him team-wrecking status before he gave them up). That she was even able to stand up to him as long as she did was stated as a testament to her mettle, despite being outclassed in power by Thor. Also, DC Odin banished DC Surtur to his pocket universe, where he stalemated the combined JSA, including the Skyfather-level Thunderbolt:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/pbd477189a2bb4c526e3f3b81f93d33e8/f913a49c.jpgDuring The Hunger, Darkseid used his matter and energy manipulation abilities to create and empower automatons with the strength to stagger Galactus, hungry as he was, and 'Seid did it with nothing more than a thought:
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http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p2c608e03e58741795f6d446ef37f6f32/fa6408cf.jpgDarkseid also easily defeated the Silver Surfer and flayed off some of his silver skin, prompting him to scream in agony, with one blast of The Omega Beams:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/p536083384cdb87dc7a603396766dd835/fbd5e54c.jpgDuring GDS, Darkseid proved capable of teleporting Apokolips and Daxam at once, holding them literally in his mind as they're switching locations and galaxies, and mind-controlling 3 billion Daxamites:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pc677ab2c0b95683cd3079854cf6f5809/fa661adf.jpgOthers who fell by Darkseid's power include The Time Trapper, who created a pocket universe: http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p43f96c55a3c80cb0fea2485461528b3f/fa661ac1.jpg
During Crisis, Darkseid sheilded The New Gods' continuum from its effects and ensured its survival by chanelling his Omega Beams through Alex Luthor, who acted as a conduit between Apokolips and the normal DC continuum, with Darkseid's tech (his "science"😉 allowing him to shoot Omega Beams ("gaze"😉 through Alex's eyes at The Anti-Monitor. The Anti-Monitor is dying, afterwards, y his own admission. He's also weakened to the point where Superman destroys him with one punch, when before, all of the heroes combined couldn't dent him and he defeated The Spectre:
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http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p31135cd0ffec6366a07b0ceb61732fbf/fa8e25d2.jpgDarkseid revives a slain Orion (right after he killed him):
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http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p13d405be3f5baca810ec4d4ce5d09456/f913aa7c.jpgDarkseid projects his dark essence into The Source, and forces it to open itself to him, as his very essence causes it agony, which, taken at base value, appears at least a skyfather-level feat:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p50e4e9ce1cb5f7accdae4df5cc642e7a/f9143934.jpgHere, Darkseid TKOes Doomsday, rendering him helpless and beaten for the time being, and leaves him buried under rubble, which he then turns to lava, via Omega Beams, and walks off as it dries. While DD eventually revives, after it's dried, and takes some revenge on Darkseid via a sneak attack, the writer of this scene and Doomsday's creater has stated that he had in mind that Darkseid would defeat Doomsday 15/20 when he made this scene:
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http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p747fe3fc2364a4e19b26d55dc48722ff/fb9b1381.jpgIn Super Powers vol.2 #6, Darkseid, with a wave of his hand, projected his power through a hologram of himself, and effortlessly defeated Superman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, and multiple other heroes --- Jack Kirby himself collaborated on this scene:
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Originally posted by Beyonder
Um right. He beat Spectre w/ Presence's power. Scans if you have them.
I feel like a freakin' parrot. GO. TO. DARKSEID. RESPECT. THREAD. COMIC. BOOK. FORUMS. 😐
Originally posted by Beyonder
Highfather > Spectre w/ Presence backing him up? That what your saying?
Not all. Highfather was merely channeling the Source Wall's energies. Darkseid was also weakened due to a prior battle.
The comic suggested also that Darkseid would have won. But then Orion meddled his way in...
Originally posted by Beyonder
Scans anyone. If PC Darkseid was that powerful, why need the Anti-Life Equation to control the universe?
Because he wants to be GOD. He is the antithesis to the Source. However he's not at the level to oppose GOD/Presence himself. He would need the Anti-Life Equation for that.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Dude, it's NOT the same thing. The Source comes from the Presence. Spectre gets it from Presence, not the Source. Lucifer and Michael talk to the Presence, they ignore the Source.
GalacticStorm said it better than I could have:
"The Source and the Presence are basically aspects of Yahweh. Who is Dc's god. Many people thought the Presence to be the top being in DC when that was in fact an aspect itself, just like the Word and the Source. Presence(Father) Word(Son) Source(Holy Spirit)
As for Lucifer ignoring the Source that incident wasnt anything like how its been made out by a lot of people here. Lucifer merely flew beyond Yahwehs universe where the Source resided because from there you could see "everything in the universe at once" because he had no business with the Source and was only after a vantage point he ignored it and focused on the battle that was taking place on Earth."
Originally posted by Beyonder
Seriously, because it makes sense.PC Darkseid > Anti-Monitor > Spectre (who decreed and empowered Spectre to destroy Anti-Monitor)
Right. That makes so much sense. Even Presence empowering Spectre can't beat Anti-Monitor but PC Darkseid can.
...now where did it say Spectre was powered by Presence again?
Dear. Don't blame me. I didn't write the Infinite Crisis...which you clearly didn't bother to read. 😬
Once again. Astonishing Marvel knowledge. Very poor DC knowledge.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Odin or Zeus would probably already stop him. And in crossover he already lost Galactus with ease.
PC Darkseid already killed Odin and absorbed the entire Asgardian Pantheon.
Zeus almost died if he wasn't saved by the Legion.
And did you even read the crossover? Darkseid and Galactus were even. Hell Darkseid even reduced Galactus to lifeless energies.
And Silver Surfer got completely owned.
Originally posted by long pig
Yeah, he's pretty much above all of these except Galactus.I'd say he's just slightly below Galactus. But, he's a damned BEAST.
🙁 They royally screwed him over. Or, maybe the the new DS is just an avatar??!! 😱
Longpig got it right.
DC editors have been smoking too much weed.
There is major speculation that the entire Infinite Crisis is just a plot by Darkseid himself.
Originally posted by Sentry
So let's say he slips past Odin... How does he slip by a being who basically beaten Gods more powerful than Odin? Demogorge will stop him.
Um. Honey. Darkseid has killed pretty much every god in the DC Universe. The only ones remaining were the Greek Gods, The Roman Gods, and the Asgardians.
He killed them all. And absorbed their power into him. That means he has the power of countless pantheons inside of him.
u have some of it right Galacticstorm, but u are mistaken where The Presence and The Source are different at. The Presence is another name for The Holy Spirit, he is our helper protector, he is Gods (Yahweh) Holy Presence that proceeds from him. When someone is talking to The Presence you are indirectly talking to Yahweh. The Source is Gods Will/Power just outside of the universe. Yahweh/"The Presence" is beyond The Source.
Originally posted by kevdude
u have some of it right Galacticstorm, but u are mistaken where The Presence and The Source are different at. The Presence is another name for The Holy Spirit, he is our helper protector, he is Gods (Yahweh) Holy Presence that proceeds from him. When someone is talking to The Presence you are indirectly talking to Yahweh. The Source is Gods Will/Power just outside of the universe. Yahweh/"The Presence" is beyond The Source.
Well as Dc follows kaballah principles (i.e the involvement of the brothers in the making of creation, the function and names of the aspects) id have to disagree with that. Keter/Crown/Presence (all the same thing) are the closest creation comes to the Unknowable, Unmanifest God. However the aspects are all just emanation points for gods essence on the tree of life and as such are equal. They only differ in role and function. Dont mistake role and function for power.
Yahweh is the unknowable, unmanifest god. He/it is supreme. The Presence and the other aspects are all parts of him which touch creation and they are all equal:
Yahweh
Presence/Source/Word
Lucifer/Michael
I see what you're saying and it seems close enough for me...
It's been a while but I think Zauriel refered to the presence as the lord of heaven, in Paradise lost.. I think that was the name of his first 4 parter.. . It was the presence that gave them the power to drive back Neron, the demons and the renegade angels.
I think it's just a rose by any other name...
Originally posted by long pig
Yeah, he's pretty much above all of these except Galactus.I'd say he's just slightly below Galactus. But, he's a damned BEAST.
🙁 They royally screwed him over. Or, maybe the the new DS is just an avatar??!! 😱
He's even more powerful than Agamotto in his realm?
Agamotto's realm I mean. That's where they battle.
If I hear it from you lp, then I'll concede.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Source and the Presence are basically aspects of Yahweh. Who is Dc's god. Many people thought the Presence to be the top being in DC when that was in fact an aspect itself, just like the Word and the Source. Presence(Father) Word(Son) Source(Holy Spirit)As for Lucifer ignoring the Source that incident wasnt anything like how its been made out by a lot of people here. Lucifer merely flew beyond Yahwehs universe where the Source resided because from there you could see "everything in the universe at once" because he had no business with the Source and was only after a vantage point he ignored it and focused on the battle that was taking place on Earth.
one of Vertigo DC's gods 🙂 lots of supreme "christian", "god", figures in DC 🙂
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
one of Vertigo DC's gods 🙂 lots of supreme "christian", "god", figures in DC 🙂
and all are likely to be aspects of Dc's supreme being Yahweh or just alternate names for already existing aspects. 😱 For example Presence refers to both Keter and the Crown. The Source can be referred to as Tiphereth. 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and all are likely to be aspects of Dc's supreme being Yahweh or just alternate names for already existing aspects. 😱 For example Presence refers to both Keter and the Crown. The Source can be referred to as Tiphereth. 😱
All supposition on your part, as usual your assumptions are amusing 🙂
