Silver Surfer vs. Black Adam

Originally posted by Stoic
Intangibility? Versatility? Are you in need of your hat?

Hercules could do the same to Sentry with his skill, as could Okoye and Fat Cobra.

Do you need your hand held?

Looks like that thread fried your brain. The Surfer can remain intangible. While the Surfer is intangible, he can still assault his opponent. Are we on the same page, or are we stuck in another topic?

Originally posted by Stoic
Looks like that thread fried your brain. The Surfer can remain intangible. While the Surfer is intangible, he can still assault his opponent. Are we on the same page, or are we stuck in another topic?

Show me the rules where surfer gets to start intangible.

Show me the rules that he can’t.

but actions such as setting up forcefields, taking flight, or consciously activating powers is not.

The rules say CIS still apply. So the question is Does Surfer have enough showings that suggest he *will* go intangible/or other abilities before Adam (presumably )beats him?

And if this is a perpetual condition of his? Or, what if he goes intangible right as the battle begins?is there a rule against that? No? Then let’s skip to the part that Black Adam can’t hit him.

Originally posted by Stoic
And if this is a perpetual condition of his? Or, what if he goes intangible right as the battle begins?is there a rule against that? No? Then let’s skip to the part that Black Adam can’t hit him.

Adam vaporizes him with a Shazam bolt.

Originally posted by Stoic
And if this is a perpetual condition of his? Or, what if he goes intangible right as the battle begins?is there a rule against that? No? Then let’s skip to the part that Black Adam can’t hit him.

Concession accepted, looks like you still need to read up on the rules.

As for the permanence, guess you didn't read King in Black. That's ok. I can hold your hand

Surfer ain't intangible no more.

A lightning bolt isn't doing shit to someone who can create stars with a wave of his hand.

- Silver Surfer: Black #1

Even if you want to equate Black Adam's speed and strength to Silver Surfer (which is fair) it doesn't account for the sheer versatility-advantage Surfer has: He can make and unmake matter, he can warp spacetime, choose not to interact with matter and energy it (become intangible and undetectable).

Originally posted by Astner
Considering he could just generate a black hole like he did against the Genocide Wave, and I don't think anyone would be powerful or quick enough to stop him.

- Annihilation: Silver Surfer #1

It's a magical lightning bolt.

Your silly math doesn't apply here.

Originally posted by Astner
A lightning bolt isn't doing shit to someone who can create stars with a wave of his hand.

- Silver Surfer: Black #1

Originally posted by abhilegend
Adam has enough power to rend the fabric of the entire omniverse.

https://postimg.cc/VJmSXSRy
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Its a future version though. In present he oneshot koed Pariah.

Surfer would get vaporized by such an attack.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's a magical lightning bolt.

Your silly math doesn't apply here.

An air elemental kicked his ass.

Originally posted by abhilegend

But if you insist on basing your arguments on this kind of evidence then Surfer can casually disrupt the DC Omniverse too, why? Because he's a time traveler (Silver Surfer #51, 1987), and that's apparently enough.

- Flashpoint Beyond #5

Wasn't BA's lightning about to be used by Luthor to restart the Multiverse?

In any case, it's still magic, so all this talk of levels isn't a scientific process.

If by time-traveler you mean Flash, then didn't Barry need to absorb the entire Speed Force in order to trigger Flashpoint?

Wasn't Pandora also involved?

Not too sure about Pandora. But Flashpoint event was triggered when Barry had to pull the entire Speed Force to do so( and also needed to absorb it in order to undo it in Kid Flash's tie-ins IIRC)

Flash absorbed the entire Speed Force to stop Thawne, and by doing so, triggering the Flashpoint event
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wasn't BA's lightning about to be used by Luthor to restart the Multiverse?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In any case, it's still magic, so all this talk of levels isn't a scientific process.

More relevantly Surfer's power gives him a degree of command over the very laws of physics that allows Black Adam to subsist as a living creature. It's not for nothing that he's written as a pacifist, because his conflicts would be very quickly resolved otherwise.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
If by time-traveler you mean Flash, then didn't Barry need to absorb the entire Speed Force in order to trigger Flashpoint?

This is not outside the power of the Silver Surfer, in fact it's something that he should be able to accomplish trivially. Point is, even if we assume it's quantifiable it's not outside of the Surfer's abilities.

That aside, it's not a fight because Black Adam doesn't operate on the scale the Surfer casually does. Black Adam doesn't destroy planets when he goes all out, nor is he able to create a star with a wave of his hand.

Originally posted by Astner
No idea. But it wouldn't matter because it's unquantifiable. For all we know Luthor could've been able to restart the multiverse with some citric acid and tungsten. But it doesn't make these components anything more than what they are.

That's just an excuse. Whether it's magical or not we don't assume it carries enough power to disintegrate planets and stars unless it's explicitly been shown capable of doing so.

More relevantly Surfer's power gives him a degree of command over the very laws of physics that allows Black Adam to subsist as a living creature. It's not for nothing that he's written as a pacifist, because his conflicts would be very quickly resolved otherwise.

No, but you are assumin/implying it takes planetary level magic to hurt Surfer. Which is wrong.

And magic ignores the rules of physics which allow Surfer to subsist as a living creature.

Good point on his character though.