Silver Surfer vs. Black Adam

Originally posted by Astner

Any of the instances mentioned (Extant, Flash, Gog). And any time travel that makes a noticeable impact, e.g. Flash saving his mom, disrupts the omniverse, according to what the comic says.

This is not outside the power of the Silver Surfer, in fact it's something that he should be able to accomplish trivially.

We also have some cases indicate you can't change the timeline under normal circumstances in DC, unless you have enough powers(Flash absorbed SF) or specific powersets(Thawne can do that, but even he can do that, he didn't change the timeline on a crisis-level)

The timeline can't be changed under normal circumstances, Thawne could because his powerset and he killed Barry's mother.

The same writer wrote Flash absorbed the entire SF to change history in order to save his mother and triggered Flashpoint

https://ibb.co/qNbFfgh
https://ibb.co/JdYLJ7z

So even you assume Surfer can time-travel in Marvel. It is hard to transfer it to DC. Since the rules of DC are different from Marvel
And it is also hard to say Surfer can do this on a crisis-level....since Thawne, who is also changing the timeline all the damn time, hasn't trigger a crisis-level time change yet

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Cyborg laughed at Surfer 🙂 and hurt him 🙂 Adam wastes him in DC the dials go up to 11 🙂

Keep the faith😄

Stay Whirly 🤘

Surfer have so many options while being able to match Adam in speed and strength (and having a durability edge). If Surfer loses this, he chose to lose.

Originally posted by Astner
Here we go again, flowery language without any substance is used to compensate for the fact that Black Adam have no actual feats on planet-level, let alone star-level like the Silver Surfer.

He's got omniversal level feats, slightly bigger than star level I guess.

But if you insist on basing your arguments on this kind of evidence then Surfer can casually disrupt the DC Omniverse too, why? Because he's a time traveler (Silver Surfer #51, 1987), and that's apparently enough.

- Flashpoint Beyond #5

😂

This is a reach, even for you.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wasn't BA's lightning about to be used by Luthor to restart the Multiverse?

In any case, it's still magic, so all this talk of levels isn't a scientific process.

Originally posted by Astner

That's just an excuse. Whether it's magical or not we don't assume it carries enough power to disintegrate planets and stars unless it's explicitly been shown capable of doing so.

Surfer destroyed a planet and created a small star. Hardly enough to take him over a rookie Lantern, forget about Black Adam.

More relevantly Surfer's power gives him a degree of command over the very laws of physics that allows Black Adam to subsist as a living creature. It's not for nothing that he's written as a pacifist, because his conflicts would be very quickly resolved otherwise.

What the hell are you talking about Jesse?

Any of the instances mentioned (Extant, Flash, Gog). And any time travel that makes a noticeable impact, e.g. Flash saving his mom, disrupts the omniverse, according to what the comic says.

This is not outside the power of the Silver Surfer, in fact it's something that he should be able to accomplish trivially. Point is, even if we assume it's quantifiable it's not outside of the Surfer's abilities.

We don't transfer feats just because you like it.

That aside, it's not a fight because Black Adam doesn't operate on the scale the Surfer casually does. Black Adam doesn't destroy planets when he goes all out, nor is he able to create a star with a wave of his hand.

So, he's basically a rookie green Lantern level when he's going all out?

Wave of his hands? He got drained of his power creating a small sun.

https://postimg.cc/Xr0JBtX3

Not even Kyle Rayner level.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer have so many options while being able to match Adam in speed and strength (and having a durability edge). If Surfer loses this, he chose to lose.

This isn't hulk we are talking about.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer have so many options while being able to match Adam in speed and strength (and having a durability edge). If Surfer loses this, he chose to lose.

This thread will now be The Rock themed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Magic affects Surfer even when he's intangible.

Adam vaporizes him with a Shazam bolt.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's a magical lightning bolt.

Your silly math doesn't apply here.

Let's see...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, not to mention Surfer has been hurt by regular lightning before.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1kxxo_LQoA4/VoTt2B1qctI/AAAAAAAAav0/9reSU23Q_AY/s1600-Ic42/RCO029.jpg

An air elemental kicked his ass.

https://postlmg.cc/dkMpfk31
https://postimg.cc/k6xzPJRy

Lightning, wind.. but what about Rocks? We're talking about the Rock here.

Rocks, abhi.

Or, well, just rocks. 30 tons of them!

Originally posted by Philosophía
Lightning, wind.. but what about Rocks? We're talking about the Rock here.

Rocks, abhi.

Or, well, just rocks. 30 tons of them!

How about a random gun?

A brick is basically just a rectangular rock

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

How about a random gun?

Even ROCK Golems with a water weakness that cosmic awareness doesn't detect:

Even FANTASTIC rocks are ok.

Rocks. Rocks. Rocks.

Originally posted by Smurph
A brick is basically just a rectangular rock

Rock KARNAGE!

what is Thing if not one big rock? mmm

Originally posted by Philosophía
No abhi. NO. Just rocks. Even space rocks are ok.

Even ROCK Golems with a water weakness that cosmic awareness doesn't detect:

Even FANTASTIC rocks are ok.

Rocks. Rocks. Rocks.

Yeah, it was always hilarious to watch marvel fans pretend none of this stuff matters because SUPERNOVA! BLACK HOLE!

Originally posted by Smurph
what is Thing if not one big rock? mmm

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11139/111394922/7551632-8bb94476-a6d3-4828-97c8-39b83f25423c.jpeg

The ROCK is omnipresent -- even Doom Surfer cannot run from it!

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Yeah, it was always hilarious to watch marvel fans pretend none of this stuff matters because SUPERNOVA! BLACK HOLE!

How about a ROCK, throwing a ROCK with a strength beyond comprehension, while pulling his punches -- Holy shit, can the Universe withstand this?! What if the Rock went all out on the Rock?

Completely plot induced, because the Surfer has withstood far more than what was shown there. It’s about using the best in one instance, and using the worst in the other, while ignoring that it had to be dramatic in those days because Ben had to also be given proper respect.

Just a case of selling a splashy story driven battle. The Surfer survived a battle with Knull. How would Black Adam do against Knull?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer destroyed a planet and created a small star.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hardly enough to take him over a rookie Lantern, forget about Black Adam.

Not to mention that your argument would be disingenuous even if it was true, because you implicitly acknowledge that Black Adam doesn't have the feats to compete with the Silver Surfer, and instead opt to scale the character in a medium where scaling is highly dubious at best and nonexistent at worst. DC isn't Dragon Ball, just because Batman punches out Wonder Woman doesn't mean that you can conclude that they're in the same weight-class.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What the hell are you talking about Jesse?

Originally posted by abhilegend
We don't transfer feats just because you like it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, he's basically a rookie green Lantern level when he's going all out?

Wave of his hands? He got drained of his power creating a small sun.

https://postimg.cc/Xr0JBtX3

Not even Kyle Rayner level.

Originally posted by Astner
Even if you want to assume that it's small, stars need to undergo hydrogen fusion at the core, which requires a minimum mass of roughly 75 Jupiter Masses.

Where are you getting this from? Not even Atrocitus or Larfleeze have planet-level feats, and they were stronger than any Green Lantern. I'm sure you could find planet-level feats for Hal, John, and Kyle (due to their amount of exposure) but those would certainly not be as casual or as plentiful as the Silver Surfer's myriad of planet-busting feats.

Not to mention that your argument would be disingenuous even if it was true, because you implicitly acknowledge that Black Adam doesn't have the feats to compete with the Silver Surfer, and instead opt to scale the character in a medium where scaling is highly dubious at best and nonexistent at worst. DC isn't Dragon Ball, just because Batman punches out Wonder Woman doesn't mean that you can conclude that they're in the same weight-class.

The Power Cosmic.

You don't have to transfer anything. The DC Omniverse is threatened and disrupted by time travel. Given the context, it's not an impressive feat.

You're comparing a Kyle's construct with a diameter of roughly 10 meters (the purpose of which was to ward off vampires) to an actual star because he dubbed it an "Artificial Sun?" Are you serious?

So you're arguing scaling doesn't work...

Then attempt to use scaling? Huh.