Flash could kick Superman's ass!!!

MAYBE THERES SOME INFO IM MISSING...BUT HOW THE HELL IS FLASH FASTER THAN SUPERMAN? THERE'S NO WAY. I DONT THINK YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SUPERMAN REALLY TURNS IT UP. WHEN LOIS DIED, HE WAS FLYING AROUND THE EARTH IN LESS THAN A SECOND...MANY TIMES AND CAUSED IT TO SWITCH ROTATION. YOU MEAN TO TELL ME FLASH CAN RUN THAT FAST? HAS HE EVER DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? HOW COULD FLASH HURT SUPERMAN? IF SUPERMAN REALLY REALLY TURNED IT UP AND WAS PISSED OFF, I'D SAY THE FIGHT WOULDN'T GO MORE THAN A FEW MINUTES, PROBABLY SECONDS. AND FLASH GOT WHUPPED BY DOOMSDAY. DID SUPERMAN? OH YEAH, THATS RIGHT, HE DEFEATED DOOMSDAY.

first off why do you type in CAPS???? you look like a n00b

second, you are a n00b, its common knowledge that flash is faster then superman. Flash can run through time and into different dimensions.

and the superman your talking about is pre-crisis superman, not post-crisis superman (what superman is now) if Clark and Wally had a foot race superman isnt even remotely close to being at flashs speed.

flying they are closer, but flash is still faster running then superman is flying.

Wally West is the fastest man alive. Splattered with lightning-charged chemicals as a pre-teen, he gained super-speed and became the sidekick to the second Flash, eventually succeeding him. Powered by the extradimensional Speed Force, he can not only move at near-lightspeed, but can transfer speed to and from others. He used to be able to vibrate through solid objects, but now doing so causes them to explode. Wally is the only speedster who can travel through time precisely without using external calibration (such as the Cosmic Treadmill).

Unfortunately, the accident had a slightly different effect on Wally’s adolescent body. He developed a disease which would kill him if he used his speed. A blast of energy during the Crisis—the same war in which Barry sacrificed his life—cured Wally of this disease, but left him with a top speed roughly that of sound.

In honor of his mentor, Wally took the name and costume of the Flash. He went through a difficult period of emotional instability during which he used his powers irresponsibly, developed a reputation as a womanizer, and finally sought psychiatric help, As he matured—much of which he credits to his now-longstanding relationship with reporter Linda Park—and learned to fulfill his responsibility, Wally slowly developed confidence and regained his earlier speed.

Finally breaking through his mental block of replacing Barry Allen, he achieved full speed, only to find himself changing into energy. In the midst of a battle for Keystone, he sacrificed his life and his humanity to save Linda—and became the only person known to return from the other side of the speed barrier. Wally now has a direct connection to the speed force, and subconscious knowledge of new ways to use it, including the ability to lend speed to other objects and people (Terminal Velocity and aftermath: Flash #95–101, 1994–1995).

Wally now wears a costume made of concentrated speed force energy. Unable to wait for both broken legs to heal and inspired by a then-recent Justice League case, he gained enough control over the speed force to create a costume which would support him and enable him to run despite his injury (Flash #131, 1997)

from: http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/wally.html

Flashtastic mate:

Flash wins

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
On the ground, Flash toys with Superman. In terms of running speed, Flash is way faster. Superman could probably keep up with Flash if he flew.

Sort of. If ALL Superman does is travel, then in space his flight capabilities can keep up with Flash before he enters the Speed Force. However, EVEN if flying- whether on space or on Earth- Superman's OPERATIONAL speed (the speed at which he can act, perceive, fight, rescue, etc.) is significantly slower than Flash.

For example, when the JLA went to help Adam Strange, Superman EXPLICITLY SAID he couldn't fly faster than the speed of light to rescue Adam's family (in space) before the Zeta Beam hit. Flash then EXPLICITLY SAYS he CAN travel faster than light/Zeta Beam, but cannot fly. The solution was for Flash to lend Superman speed enough to outrace the beam, rescue the family, and come back to the planet. I like to think that Wally's speed lending abilities impart the Speed Force aura that allows Wally to safe-carry people at incredible speeds (whereas Superman lacks this aura and turns people to paste if travelling too quickly).

Another example is Superman flying to Lois after she had been shot, arcing up into space, travelling half-way around the world, at incredible speed- no doubt the fastest he'd do for any other person on Earth- but still far far below Wally's peak operational speeds.

The only cases of Superman's flying speed approaching Flash is when he's travelled between galaxies/planets and the like, where operational speed wasn't a factor. It's kind of like saying a Green Lantern could keep up with the Flash in a fight because they have FTL interstellar travel.

From what I understand, The Flash is faster than Superman, but not by much. Superman at his best I am talking about.

In a fight between the two, I have to say Superman would win.

If Flash ran as fast as he could and threw a punch, yes it would be devastating. As someone stated in a post earlier, a grain of salt at light speed would be devastating.

Now, if Superman went as fast as he could and threw a punch, combined with his already amazing super class 100 strength, he could destroy anything.

Now, who is to say that Superman would get hit. Remember that he is very fast too, as is the Flash. Maybe neither one would be able to hit the other.

If the Flash is running in circles around Superman, Superman would just have to use what he has arund him to defeat the Flash. Freeze the ground so Flash would slip, and continually have his heat vision running. The Flash accidentally runs through his heat vision, he would be done. Literally toast. He is human, with human frailties.

Superman has this fight won.

Originally posted by xkalybr
From what I understand, The Flash is faster than Superman, but not by much. Superman at his best I am talking about.

Superman is fast. Theres no doubts about that. However his best vs Flash's best isnt really close.

Originally posted by xkalybr
Now, if Superman went as fast as he could and threw a punch, combined with his already amazing super class 100 strength, he could destroy anything.

Superman isnt faster than Zoom, therefore he wouldnt be a blur to Wally. If Superman were to go his fastest and throw a punch Flash would/should be able to see it coming and vibrate through the punch. Superman is able to vibrate through punches as well. HOWEVER if Flashwas moving at his fastest, he would/should be a blur to Superman.

Originally posted by xkalybr
Now, who is to say that Superman would get hit. Remember that he is very fast too, as is the Flash. Maybe neither one would be able to hit the other.

See above.

Originally posted by xkalybr
If the Flash is running in circles around Superman, Superman would just have to use what he has arund him to defeat the Flash. Freeze the ground so Flash would slip, and continually have his heat vision running. The Flash accidentally runs through his heat vision, he would be done. Literally toast. He is human, with human frailties.

Superman has this fight won.

Superman could freeze the ground to slow Flash up. Theres no doubts about that. However if hes hit with a bunch of IMP's, has his speed stolen or hit with a vibrational punch, it may ko Superman. Flash is faster than heat vision as well. And if hes hit with it, hes able to speed up his metabolism to heal instantly.

I still think Flash wins more than not.

Reading this thread reminds me of the "Speed Facts" they used to have in the Barry Allen's Flash comics. Things like "a piece of straw moving at hurricane speed can cut through a tree". If you use science to base your opinion, then Flash CAN take out Superman. But I agree with the people who say that Superman is an icon and DC won't allow him to be beaten by another hero. If Superman is ever beaten, it's going to be due to some "Kryptonian virus" that made him weaker than normal or something along that line.

Anomoly...why don't you take my ball sac and put it in your mouth...lol Flash got whupped by Doomsday...guess he wasn't fast enough...hee hee

Flash is never written to full potential (more so than even superman) Flash can do sooooooo much that its not even funny. And as Scoobs already posted the pics, why are we discussing this....

Originally posted by Bushwacker
Reading this thread reminds me of the "Speed Facts" they used to have in the Barry Allen's Flash comics. Things like "a piece of straw moving at hurricane speed can cut through a tree". If you use science to base your opinion, then Flash CAN take out Superman. But I agree with the people who say that Superman is an icon and DC won't allow him to be beaten by another hero. If Superman is ever beaten, it's going to be due to some "Kryptonian virus" that made him weaker than normal or something along that line.

But another hero has beaten Superman in the past.
Batman.

Flash is faster than Superman. Period.

Flash has been defeated by a guy that throws boomerangs. A guy with a freeze gun and a guy that throws ping pong balls.

I think Superman could definitely take him.

If it was on a planet with no inhabitants all Supes has to do is fly out of range and pretty much take pot shots. Eventually the planet would fall apart and Wally has nothing to run on.

flash is the fastest man alive true but don't forget he is still human and superman who is god like and the dc universe greatest champion; anyone who thinks the flash can kick supes ass in a fight is just freakin stupid cuz they make no sense, infact i would like to see the day flash will be able to take on darkseid, doomsday, mongul, and the rest of supes most powerful enemies and win. just because he is fast doesn't mean supes cant stop him and that's the reason they call him super and not flash; do you guys notice the difference. all this stupidity is really making my head hurt and if dc was to make the flash battle supes, do you guys really think flash would be the winner, only in your dreams.

Originally posted by MaxG
Flash is faster than Superman. Period.

Flash has been defeated by a guy that throws boomerangs. A guy with a freeze gun and a guy that throws ping pong balls.

I think Superman could definitely take him.

If it was on a planet with no inhabitants all Supes has to do is fly out of range and pretty much take pot shots. Eventually the planet would fall apart and Wally has nothing to run on.

Originally posted by 56857
flash is the fastest man alive true but don't forget he is still human and superman who is god like and the dc universe greatest champion; anyone who thinks the flash can kick supes ass in a fight is just freakin stupid cuz they make no sense, infact i would like to see the day flash will be able to take on darkseid, doomsday, mongul, and the rest of supes most powerful enemies and win. just because he is fast doesn't mean supes cant stop him and that's the reason they call him super and not flash; do you guys notice the difference. all this stupidity is really making my head hurt and if dc was to make the flash battle supes, do you guys really think flash would be the winner, only in your dreams.

Originally posted by Hit and Run
I believe Flash can actually run in space. In fact, I don't think Wally even HAS to run in order to move(something about moving his molecules instead), he just prefers running. also, you shouldn't use one character's bad feats and compare them to another character's good ones. Superman has also had trouble with Batman and Toyman. It's all just PIS.

I'd really like scans of Flash running in space or in the air without outside assistance... otherwise that's BS.

I'm not using a character's "bad feats". If I used the example of Flash slipping on a banana peel that would be me using a bad feat or when he got knocked out with a pipe from a human after SpeedForce power up. What I'm doing is using a character's rogue's gallery. A rogue's gallery is in no way a rare occurence. How many times has he gone up against Boomerang, Freeze or others? Alot. No way is that listing a rare bad feat.

Originally posted by MaxG
Flash has been defeated by a guy that throws boomerangs.

I think Superman could definitely take him.

If it was on a planet with no inhabitants all Supes has to do is fly out of range and pretty much take pot shots. Eventually the planet would fall apart and Wally has nothing to run on.

Originally posted by MaxG
How many times has he gone up against Boomerang, Freeze or others? Alot. No way is that listing a rare bad feat.

Originally posted by MaxG
I'd really like scans of Flash running in space or in the air without outside assistance... otherwise that's BS.

Originally posted by jedi90
you guys are actually serious. if flash is all so powerful how come he didn't defeat doomsday? the flash isn't that much faster than superman. they did have a race in the comics and the flash barely won

and making up lame powers to give the flash an edge is just a poor excuse. 🙄

isnt Flash the one that moved faster than the speed of light, if i remember he changed into a tachyon particle. this was so long ago , i might be thinking of someone else. Dont know who else that could be. 🙂