Originally posted by Tengu Man
oh i know, i dont like it when people bash each other on these threads, and i dont expect to change everyone's veiws or opinions on some matters of star wars. i guess im using this thread to share my veiws on some issues in star wars. but im definitely not gonna bash anybody i disagree with.🙂i know im not right about some of the things i listed, like anakin's fall. but when i watch him thats what i see. honestly, he is never satisfied. when the council knighted him, put him on the council and didnt make him a master, he was still mad, he fliped out in front of the enitre concil. why be mad about that? hes a jedi knight but he is on the council with other masters. that definitely counts for something.
Indeed, nobody has to be master debater, science fiction is for ones own interpretation so people shouldn't be too hard to new guys.
And indeed again, Anakin was placed in the jedi councel, still he immediately needed to be master, he had no friggin patience at all.
Originally posted by Sorgo*whispers oh my god.. I finally know the secret to ownage(!!)* 💃
Age = Experience = Skill = Ownage.
Originally posted by Tengu Man
you misunderstand what im getting at, i dont see how war experience; being a general, strategist, out on the battlfeild with a bunch of soldiers, helps you in a one on one duel. how it can it do that? does it help your lightsaber style, it most likely will increase your power in the force, but most one on one duels are fought with lightsabers. or a little both. but most of the time its lightsabers and some force powers here and theyre. im still not convinced war experience can help you in one on one duels.
Experience as a general can not... It can give you a tactical insight but it won't do much. Experience as a front line general however helps a lot. Experience in war fighting people helps.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Appreciate it. I think Overlord hasn't caught on to the fact that people become senior members after a relatively low set amount of posts.
Ha! You guys have already told me before that it takes a hundred posts to become senior member. It still doesn't take away the point that it looks silly with someone who says "hello everybody!" 😉
Senior member.. Damn.. I still consider myself a newbie..
Originally posted by overlordYeah, same here, and Nactous sounds like an enema-bag when he does that.
Ha! You guys have already told me before that it takes a hundred posts to become senior member. It still doesn't take away the point that it looks silly with someone who says "hello everybody!" 😉
Senior member.. Damn.. I still consider myself a newbie..
Re: Re: Set the Record Straight
Originally posted by Sorgo
-[B]SIDIOUS LOST TO MACE, not on purpose, he lost (Keyword Lost)Being the fact why Sidious was weak one second and split Mace out of a window another second later. Windu was played out, son.
-Dooku lost to anakin because he was told to, that victory had nothing to do with anakin being stronger
This is true.
- in the classics Skywalker could never beat Vader if he actually tried.
This is akward. I could have sworn i saw Luke defeat Vader as he tried. Hmm..... Just a dream, i guess....
-Stop using midichlorains, age, and war experience arguements in one on one/whos is better duels
Midichlorians are nothing. Age and War experience are soemthing. Putting Midiclhorians with Age and War Experience is sad. Experience grants alot more than you would think. Age = Experience = Skill = Ownage.
- although it pains me to say it, Luke and Leia were a mistake by Anakin
- yoda didnt lose to sidious, it was a DRAW
100% Correct.
- Dooku didnt lose to yoda, he had to run because of death star plans
(although i think he would he would lost in a rematch)As much as i love Dooku, the script for Episode II states that Yoda won out of sheer skill and Dooku ran out of the fact that he knew Yoda would defeat him.
-Maul died because of his idiotic overconfidence, not because obi-wan is stronger
Strength requires wisdom. Being a true imbodiment of Power requires more than Lightsaber skills and Physical attribute. Kenobi was stronger than Maul.
- Anakin fell to the darkside because of his inablilty to be satisfied, and his fear of failure. (feel free to add on to that)
There was many reasons for his fall. You only named two. [/B]
ok what i mean when i say age, im saying like some people say this guy is younger so he can beat this other guy or this other guy is old and he cant keep. but thats not true take yoda for example.
thats what i meant about age. my bad guys.
i know i only named 2 for anakins fall, of course there is more then that, thats why i said add on to that.
as much as i dont wanna admit what you said about maul and kenobi makes sense. maybe i liked maul so much i was a little blind there. but can we at least say maul ias a better swordsman, you gotta agree with me on that one.
ok now for vader and luke.
in ESB you had to have noticed that when Vader got pissed he picked up the tempo on skywalker, and he was down shortly. at first he wasnt trying until luke got a nice shot on him near the air ducts in Cloud City.
in ROTJ, yes he did lose i dont dispute (how can you 😆 ) but it didnt seem like Vader was trying too hard, not to mention Luke being his only son and all. and after losing his wife, the jedi order, his life, which were all coincidently his fault, i dont think hes gonna give up his son. even if it means sacrificing himself. which he did do. i think Vader was already back on the road to redempption after theyre little father-son talk on Endor.
Re: Set the Record Straight
-SIDIOUS LOST TO MACE, not on purpose, he lost (Keyword Lost)
Literally, he did lose. Whether he meant to or not isn't clear. The idea that he was baiting Mace just seems a bit too far-fetched, but it is possible that he made full use of Anakin once the boy appeared.
-Dooku lost to anakin because he was told to, that victory had nothing to do with anakin being stronger
I agree. It's implied in the script, and it's evident by the apparent change of how Dooku dealt with Skywalker. He gave ground before him, told him to use his anger, never used the Force on him (Despite the fact that he owned Obi-Wan using the Force). The entire fight seemed and most likely was thrown by Dooku.
- in the classics Skywalker could never beat Vader if he actually tried.
This is pretty obvious too. In ESB, Vader got pissed when Luke landed a blow and tore off Luke's hand in one quick move. In ROTJ, Vader seems to be easily taken off guarded and "defeated" by someone swinging their saber around like a bat. Vader is back on his knees, feebly fending off the swipes. He was goading Luke the entire time, pushing him towards the Dark Side. Then, when Luke stops attacking and Sidious shocks him, Vader is -right- up on his feet. Plus the fact that Vader is immensely strong (as seen in the beginning of ANH) blows away the idea that he was physically overcome by short, young Skywalker.
-Stop using midichlorains, age, and war experience arguements in one on one/whos is better duels
These ideas when used in duels are applicable if they can be properly proven and argued. If not, they are scapegoats and half-assed reasons for fanboys.
- although it pains me to say it, Luke and Leia were a mistake by Anakin
😂
Yeah, they were. Anakin pulled a stupid face like "omfgwtfbbq ur preggers?!!!@@@!!"
- yoda didnt lose to sidious, it was a DRAW
A lopsided draw. Yoda couldn't gain the advantage and Sidious barely held it. The jedi decided to take off as opposed to trying to go straight up and face a Sith lord unarmed. But in a level playing field Yoda would defeat Sidious.
- Dooku didnt lose to yoda, he had to run because of death star plans
(although i think he would he would lost in a rematch)
He didn't lose in AOTC. Some say he was outclassed (as did the script I have heard) but to mne he held his own and was more efficient than Yoda, who looked like a top on crack.
-Maul died because of his idiotic overconfidence, not because obi-wan is stronger
Obi-Wan did pwn his ass for a bit and good, but Maul was probably better than Obi-Wan at this point. However, he wasn't smart enough to defend himself and he died. People who ***** about this should also ***** about the Sidious versus Four jedi masters fight, where three good jedi get punked in deaths that make this one seem legit.
- Anakin fell to the darkside because of his inablilty to be satisfied, and his fear of failure. (feel free to add on to that)
Anakin was emotional, attached, insecure, jealous, egotistical, proud, and had every sin you can think of under the sun. Add to the fact that he was probably artificially created by a former Sith lord and you have disaster. Viola!
Add to the fact that he was probably artificially created by a former Sith lord and you have disaster.ive heard about that. im not bashing it but, that jus seems really out there. it was a just a story about his master, and now people are taking it too seriously, and then somone came up with a theroy about anakin's backstory and the fact that he dosent have a father. i blame that on Lucas.
believe what you wanna believe but that theory does sound pretty far-fethced.