How can you say Yoda vs. Sidious was a draw? Watch the end of the duel.
Look at Sidious advantages:
Support
Knowledge of the terrain
Higher ground
Had a saber
Look at Yoda's advantages:
None
Look at Sidious' goals:
Defend himself from Yoda - Accomplished
Survive to run the Empier - Accomplished
Look at Yoda's goals:
Kill Sidious - Failed
knowlege huh? well i dont know how much knowledge of the terrain you need to throw pods at a little green gremlin. besides its a dome man.
yeah he said he lost, but that was to contiune the series and relate to his "dont underestimate the powes of the emperor quote"
also look how tiny he is, not to mention yoda has been in their a few times also.
im mean do you really think sidious would stay after the senate meeting, and think to himself:
Him this would a nice place to fight the jedi, I could throw pods and hey, its big enough. hmmmmmmmmmm not bad at all.
the overall outcome of the battle was a lost on yoda's part, but keep in mind he had and we all knew he was gonna lose.
the physical battle on the other had was a obvious draw.
not bash or ridicule you but lets discard the knowlegde of terrain reason.
Dudes.
I just checked out Books-a-Million and read the SW comics...
...and whether or not its a crappy story or not, Maul was alive!
it was a pretty gay story, about how maul got robot legs, another double-bladed saber, but it wasn't completely pointless.
Maul was attacking baby Luke, and Obi-Wan jumps out of the sand and defends Luke.
Of course, Obi kicks his ass, but it was interesting nonetheless to see Obi looking halfway between Ewan McGreggor and Alec Guiness.
Uhh yea they do.
Prime example. Obi-Wan...
On Genosis, he was alright, but was easily bested by Mace, Yoda, ect. The classic masters.
But during the Clone Wars he was the go-to guy, the General, the major war hero. And what did that do? Shot him up above Mace and Yoda as best Jedi Duelist...
Mace was good but he wasn't THAT good. Sidious bested him pretty quickly and had time to mess with him so Anakin would fall...
Yoda was never a fighting Jedi. His lightsaber skills were quick, but he always ended up relying on his superior foce powers to get him through. And Sidious won.
Obi on the other had was awesome, Bested both GG and Anakin by using his brain. AND his superior experience....
He did get messed with by Dooku, but I'm holding out that it was because he was relying on Anakin do to something, which he didn't and was smacked...
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
The word 'fanboy' ring a bell? Obi-Wan superior to Yoda and Mace?
In saber technique? Yeah, I'd have to say Obi-wan is. Maybe not the best Jedi overall, but he was still one of the best and strongest Jedi they had, and probably definitely the best duellist -- hell, he was one of a very few number of Jedi who'd ever had any real duelling experience. Watch the movies again, something I'd advise for most everyone in here....
And you calling Tpt a fanboy? Wow, I don't even know where to go with how wrong that is.....
Who considered Obi better than Mace and Yoda? Mace and Yoda were asked to fight also, Mace and Yoda practically decimated half of the Seperatist attack group on Coruscant by themselves. If anything, they were too busy in the Temple and Obi seemed more easily expendable, as horrible as that sounds. Maybe Obi-Wan was just a better strategist, but he can't Force-Grip troop transports and pick up 1,000 Droidekas at once, Yoda can.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
No they do not.. Wars have nothing to do with being stronger...
Yes they do. Wars have everything to do with being stronger. Would you rather face a guy who had trained in military ways for ten years or a guy who had survived dozens of skirmishes, ambushes, and full scale battles for ten years? A man who'd killed countless enemies using wit, guile, and skill born of necessity. A man for whom everday was a struggle to survive? War forces people to evolve, to adapt to their situations and become whatever they must to live through them. If you have ever seen someone before a war and after, the difference is almost frightening. The creak of a stair sends them almost shooting to their feet, until they realize that it isn't an armed soldier. It's their six year-old cousin. War enhances your reflexes, improves your awareness, and in the end, turns you into a bringer of death. So please. Don't try and tell me that war doesn't make you stronger. 'The strong will survive'. You ever hear that?
Originally posted by Lana
In saber technique? Yeah, I'd have to say Obi-wan is. Maybe not the best Jedi overall, but he was still one of the best and strongest Jedi they had, and probably definitely the best duellist -- hell, he was one of a very few number of Jedi who'd ever had any real duelling experience. Watch the movies again, something I'd advise for most everyone in here....And you calling Tpt a fanboy? Wow, I don't even know where to go with how wrong that is.....
I suppose the fanboy statement was uncalled for. I apologize.
However, I have my doubts that Obi-Wan is the best duelist in the Order. He got taken out by Dooku in under thirty seconds twice. Yoda had Dooku retreating, struggling to stay alive, after about that much time. Mace Windu, if you've read Shatterpoint, does some incredible things with a lightsaber, and even with his own fists. And even Anakin may be considered superior to Obi-Wan, if only by a minor margin. Kenobi's saber technique may be useful in situations of mass havoc, such as the battlefields of the Clone Wars, but Mace and Yoda exceed him by far when it comes to straight up lightsaber duels.
Originally posted by Darth Faunusvery good point, very very good point. you proved me wrong 😎
Yes they do. Wars have everything to do with being stronger. Would you rather face a guy who had trained in military ways for ten years or a guy who had survived dozens of skirmishes, ambushes, and full scale battles for ten years? A man who'd killed countless enemies using wit, guile, and skill born of necessity. A man for whom everday was a struggle to survive? War forces people to evolve, to adapt to their situations and become whatever they must to live through them. If you have ever seen someone before a war and after, the difference is almost frightening. The creak of a stair sends them almost shooting to their feet, until they realize that it isn't an armed soldier. It's their six year-old cousin. War enhances your reflexes, improves your awareness, and in the end, turns you into a bringer of death. So please. Don't try and tell me that war doesn't make you stronger. 'The strong will survive'. You ever hear that?
by watching the movies you came to the conclusion that obi is a better lightsaber duelist then mace and yoda.
-obi wan go raped by dooku twice
-yoda beat dooku the first time
-he obvioulsy couldnt stand against sidious
-as far as experience goes, with that in mind do you think obi-wan could create his own lightsbaer style and be the only one to succesfuly master it.
-mace windu defeated sidious, there was no toying involved in that fight. because sidious knew that if anakin didnt show up he would be dead. watch that duel again mace is the superior.
and the only one, because of his lightsbaer style, actually capable of beating sidious.
-lucas said it himself mace and yoda are the 2 most powerful jedi in the galaxy in force power, and saber dueling.
and how does the fact that he was war hero make him the best jedi duelist all of a sudden. who did he duel during that whole war before ROTS. and i dont see how he was the go-to guy when the war spread all across the galaxy.
if obi-wan can crush super battle droids with his hands, lift hundreds of droidekas and take out troop transports while still in the air. then he is the greatest jedi by far.