Originally posted by newjak86
I must say very good fight right now I can't say I'm leaning one way or the other.
what would it take to convince you that the faster, tougher, stronger, more durable, higher level stamina, better reflexive etc etc etc TBK would win this? 😏 does mister washington change your mind........how about his twin brother?
Originally posted by jinzinAll I can say is Lam's teleport you in air and blasst you thing kinda has me at I don't know who to vote for right now.
what would it take to convince you that the faster, tougher, stronger, more durable, higher level stamina, better reflexive etc etc etc TBK would win this? 😏 does mister washington change your mind........how about his twin brother?
Originally posted by K Von Doom
I'm favoring Jinzin's amalgam right now.... because the teleporting 3 miles up thing that LamX is using will likely take it's toll (as it does with Nightcrawler)
well inhis defense his amalgam has a superior physilogy to NC... but he's still using NC's body... which is why when I get back down to earth and start closing ground.. he's going to be in some serious trouble.. especially when I web-yank that sword away from him and toss it a mile into the forest...
Originally posted by jinzin"i don't like it it didn't happen" right? 😉
Sadly, it sometimes feels like that's the only sane way to be a long-term comic reader . 😆
RE: Various invulnerable Venom feats, again if it's over the "Luce Cage" line, it's not germane to this debate. I doubt Cage's "steel-hard" skin (the term besides "unbreakable" most often used to describe him) would stand up to many of those attacks you described. Cage can take hit's that'll mangle a tank and be injured, but survive.
Vanth's sword can pump out blasts that blast through a military starship hull.
More to come.
Originally posted by K Von Doom
I'm favoring Jinzin's amalgam right now.... because the teleporting 3 miles up thing that LamX is using will likely take it's toll (as it does with Nightcrawler)
It takes it's toll indeed, both being at max range, vertical, and carrying a passenger. However:
1) The strain affects both Kurt and the passenger, to the point where he was afraid of killing some children he was rescuing from falling rubble (the issue where they came back from the Secret Wars over Japan with a big dragon in tow.)
2) Kurt only has "human athlete" endurance. Both of these combattants are lightyears beyond that, and have healing factors to boot. We'll both recover in mere moments. (EDIT: Big ups to Jin for defending me on this point before I could, only he didn't go quite far enough.) My main body is Benedict's not Nightcrawler's. He's got Kurt's flexability, tail, prehensile feet, and flexability on Benedict's already-several-times-better-than-peak-human Elder Amberite frame, then boosted furthur by Vanth's sword. (I know "Appearance" wasn't supposed to transfer, but since I'd be wearing camo anyway Digi let me have the fur just because it's cool)
Just a question for Lam X... it says Nightcrawler pushed himself to his limits teleporting 2 miles up (I'm not familiar with the issue number, just going by the bio), is that one direction... he teleported up two miles and was spent? Or did he teleport up two miles then teleport back down two miles then he was wiped?
Originally posted by jinzin
are those tendrils controlled by the main body?makes things kinda different considering every one of my tendrils is aware of itself if they are....
The tendrils are manifestations of the Logrus itself; a sentient, endlless, three dimensional maze that is the embodiment of Primal Chaos. The Master opens the gateway with his mind and the tendrils manifest in accordance with his intentions. The Master and the Logrus itself are both directing them. I guess that's kind of "yes and no." Their not independant, they share a common conciousness, but coordination isn't a problem for the Logrus. They're not dependant on the Master's fighting skill, but the amount of power that's able to manifest is limited by his will.
In this instance, I imagine Master is to Logrus as Venom is to Symbiote.
Originally posted by K Von Doom
Just a question for Lam X... it says Nightcrawler pushed himself to his limits teleporting 2 miles up (I'm not familiar with the issue number, just going by the bio), is that one direction... he teleported up two miles and was spent? Or did he teleport up two miles then teleport back down two miles then he was wiped?
I 'm not sure The issue I was referencing was due strain due to passengers.
My understanding about the strain from going up, along with his digfferent ranges for N/S vs E/W jumps has to do with matching the difference in the local planetary rotation velocity. E-W no change in rotational speed. Closer to equator/higher altitude=faster spin. Away from the equator/lower altitude=slower spin. If that is the reason, and it seems like it is, coming back down would either be just as hard (because it's the same changer in velocity) or not quite as hard (because it would be easier to go from more energy to less energy than vice-versa).
In any case, Ben Dreadcrawler's bod can handle so many times much more strain than Kurt's can, that I should be in the clear.
it boils down to this for me -- jin's amalgam seems the tougher but situationally, it seems lam SHOULD have the advantage but hasn't done enough yet to convince me he IS taking full advantage of it. lam, do you plan on taking him completely out WHILE he's in the air? ie - is he not supposed to be conscious when he lands? or did you plan on his landing and THEN doing something more? i'm also wonder a bit jin about the range of venom's tentacle's? how far can they extend? (since i really don't feel like drudging through books to find out . . .)
great fight!
Just to note, in a fairly recent X-Men storyline, 'Dominant Species,' Nightcrawler apparently overcame his distance limit to catch up to X-Men who were flying in an X-Jet. He was huffing and puffing but he surprised everybody, including Northstar who had written him off as useless because he was too far away to help. He replied, "Never write me off as useless." I'll get scans up this weekend if you want.
Oh yeah, and I am positive I read somewhere that Nightcrawler's agility matched that of Spider-man's, mainly because of how dexterous his body was. I'm not sure where I read it though.
BTW, I always wondered what the Street tourney threads were. Kind of interesting. Who is allowed to vote?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
JOh yeah, and I am positive I read somewhere that Nightcrawler's agility matched that of Spider-man's, mainly because of how dexterous his body was. I'm not sure where I read it though.
Hmm.... Nightcrawler matching Spiderman's agility is kinda debatable. Spiderman said something in Secret Wars long the lines of "not on your best day" or something like that to Kurt. I could be wrong though.
Originally posted by jinzinagain....🙄 I can choot or glide away from you with a certain amount of ease... also....
Oh you can glide alright, but not "away from" me. Paragliders top out around 35mph lateral velocity, and I doubt your improvised glider will be quite that efficient. Ben Dreadcrawler can move plenty faster than that on foot let alone via teleportation through the treetops. Agaist the moonlit sky, I can track yor sihlouette with ease. The only place your gliding to is into my clutches. I've got you where you can neither dodge, nor run nor hide. It's rather nice actually.
Without thermals for more lift, lateral velocityis less than or equal to earthward velocity. Depending on the assumptions one makes about Big Kahuna's aerodynamics (i just picked some high and low estimates for drag and glide ratios compared to a human skydiver) he'll be airborn for three to six minutes, and within my range for at least a third of that time. In fact, I can pace him via Bamf so that I never have to come within range of his guns! Energy weapons rule!
Originally posted by jinzin
also .... so your boy isn't worried about getting shot in the noggin? 🤨unless his face is bullet proof I might be alittle bit worried about being hitto some extent....especially when I get in close range.... 😕
Take a look at the picture of him blasting the spaceship again (re-posted below for everyone's convenience). You'll see that it's in fact a completely environmental, combat vacc-suit. In case anyone was wondering, I announced in one of my first few posts that I was sealing my suit. Thus, my noggin will be just fine, thank you.
Originally posted by jinzinnow it seems to me you are under the assumption or the impression that one or several blasts will not only hit me...but put me down for the count...given these examples....(stuff about brawling here --Lam)
first you have to negate my shields and reflexes and mock spidey sense to hit me....this will be a feat in and of itself... THEN you have to do it a lot... which again.. isn't likely... THEN you have to overcome not one but two healing factors... AND you have to do all this WHILE at the same time avoid all of my attacks which are a combination of webbing, symbiote, and bullets.... AND THEN you have to do all this before I'm able to close range on you....
seems like wishful thinking to me....
Web and E-shield? Easily penetrated/overwhealmed. (again, see this and other pics)
Spider-sense and reflexes? Useless while aloft. You cant dodge!
Avoiding your attacks? What attacks? I'm out of your range!
Overcoming your healing factor? Whell, even if our dear voters are uncertain that one blast will do it, several minutes of continuous free hits will certainly do the trick!
Closing on me? You don't close until I say so BAMF!
Note dear readers, in this scenario, all of the advantages that Big Kahuna has over Dreadcrawler are neutralized, while my best assets are in full effect!
That's how you win.
Originally posted by leonidas
it boils down to this for me -- jin's amalgam seems the tougher but situationally, it seems lam SHOULD have the advantage but hasn't done enough yet to convince me he IS taking full advantage of it. lam, do you plan on taking him completely out WHILE he's in the air?
Yes
Se above for how I'm doing it. He's never making it down in one piece.